Author Topic: If Faithful SSPX priests are forced to leave (Read 1668 times)

Matthew · « **on:** June 01, 2012, 11:13:59 PM »

what will happen?

"Endless infighting like with the Sedevacantist groups, splitting and splitting until each group is utterly insignificant in the big picture."

Why? Because the anti-Accordistas (or Pro-Lefebvre faction) are united only in their lack of obedience, their foulness of disposition, and their lack of virtue?

On the contrary!

I would expect them to hang together rather nicely -- after all, they've done so for years, if not decades now. All they want to do is carry on the mission of the Archbishop and carry the torch of the Catholic Faith, uncompromised.

The fact that Bishop Fellay and his clique have decided to betray has nothing to do with the dozens (or hundreds) of faithful SSPX priests, as well as the faithful Bishops.

Now if Bishop Fellay had done NOTHING to change, and a bunch of priests left, you would be right about splitting ad infinitum. But the fact is that Bishop Fellay HAS made a fundamental change to his position vis-a-vis Vatican II and the Crisis in general.

JPaul · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2012, 08:29:19 AM »

And the time is at hand, the priests will have to be in one place or the other. Fence sitting is no longer an easy option.

finegan · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2012, 09:04:28 AM »

Matthew,

I really hope you're right. The SSPX faithful who resist an agreement with Rome had better be prepared for a lot of sacrifices, struggles and inconveniences in the days ahead. We may be on our way back to Mass in rented hotel rooms. The "pro-accord" faction will likely walk away with most of the Society's physical assets. The cost of land and construction for new chapels and schools is going to be a huge factor in any reorganization effort. Most of the people who funded the Society's original growth in the 1970s are now retired and on fixed incomes. Will they be able to contribute the needed cash? Are younger SSPX adherents in a position to provide significant aid with a terrible economy and high unemployment rate?

I know I'm focusing on the material aspects of the rebuilding effort, and that the Faith comes first, but it seems clear that the situation for the average priest or parishioner going forward will be very different from today.

Clearly, a lot of prayer and penance is in order.

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2012, 01:10:03 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

what will happen?

"Endless infighting like with the Sedevacantist groups, splitting and splitting until each group is utterly insignificant in the big picture."

Why? Because the anti-Accordistas (or Pro-Lefebvre faction) are united only in their lack of obedience, their foulness of disposition, and their lack of virtue?

On the contrary!

I would expect them to hang together rather nicely -- after all, they've done so for years, if not decades now. All they want to do is carry on the mission of the Archbishop and carry the torch of the Catholic Faith, uncompromised.

The fact that Bishop Fellay and his clique have decided to betray has nothing to do with the dozens (or hundreds) of faithful SSPX priests, as well as the faithful Bishops.

Now if Bishop Fellay had done NOTHING to change, and a bunch of priests left, you would be right about splitting ad infinitum. But the fact is that Bishop Fellay HAS made a fundamental change to his position vis-a-vis Vatican II and the Crisis in general.

There are some independent priests in our vacinity that have been approached, quietly of course, by at least 2 SSPX priests around this area. The source on this is very, very reliable. They have discussed perhaps offering Masses, as a group, in "underground" chapels that already exist.

I believe that Our Lord prepared my family for this very event. Awhile back, a friend approached me about going to Mass at with an independent priest. Our family has been several times to his chapel. If things fall apart and get really bad, my husband has already decided this is where we will go.

There are other such chapels in our area that remain underground and quiet. I believe that the SSPX priests who leave will search out these priests. Many of these priest have homes they have inherited from friends and family. I think this is where they will stay and live, offering Masses daily.

Sad times indeed. I am praying really hard that we continue to have good and holy priests during these dark times.

Wessex · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2012, 01:23:27 PM »

I favour a network of independent parishes where the assets are locally controlled. No more giant institutions whose main preoccupation is amassing wealth. Rome will not convert for another century or two ....... and the new Society will go to the dogs. Does Campos revere the memory of Bp. de Castro Mayer? It is another conciliar outlet.

catherineofsiena · « **Reply #5 on:** June 02, 2012, 05:03:36 PM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

Quote from: Matthew
what will happen?

"Endless infighting like with the Sedevacantist groups, splitting and splitting until each group is utterly insignificant in the big picture."

Why? Because the anti-Accordistas (or Pro-Lefebvre faction) are united only in their lack of obedience, their foulness of disposition, and their lack of virtue?

On the contrary!

I would expect them to hang together rather nicely -- after all, they've done so for years, if not decades now. All they want to do is carry on the mission of the Archbishop and carry the torch of the Catholic Faith, uncompromised.

The fact that Bishop Fellay and his clique have decided to betray has nothing to do with the dozens (or hundreds) of faithful SSPX priests, as well as the faithful Bishops.

Now if Bishop Fellay had done NOTHING to change, and a bunch of priests left, you would be right about splitting ad infinitum. But the fact is that Bishop Fellay HAS made a fundamental change to his position vis-a-vis Vatican II and the Crisis in general.

There are some independent priests in our vacinity that have been approached, quietly of course, by at least 2 SSPX priests around this area. The source on this is very, very reliable. They have discussed perhaps offering Masses, as a group, in "underground" chapels that already exist.

I believe that Our Lord prepared my family for this very event. Awhile back, a friend approached me about going to Mass at with an independent priest. Our family has been several times to his chapel. If things fall apart and get really bad, my husband has already decided this is where we will go.

There are other such chapels in our area that remain underground and quiet. I believe that the SSPX priests who leave will search out these priests. Many of these priest have homes they have inherited from friends and family. I think this is where they will stay and live, offering Masses daily.

Sad times indeed. I am praying really hard that we continue to have good and holy priests during these dark times.

This is about what I expected. I told an elderly independent priest nearby that he may finally get some help. That is the only bright spot in this disaster.

The underground will need a new model going forward. It will be infiltrated; the question is how can potential infiltration be contained and neutralized.

Stubborn · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2012, 09:17:24 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

what will happen?

What usually happens is the priest or priests start their own "group", turn Independent or join some other trad group.

A split is coming so may as well prepare for it.......actually, it is more accurate to say "another" split. SSPX has had at least 3 that I am aware of........mid 70s was the first one, then there was a few splits in the late 80s. I lost touch after that for a while, but with something like these talks happening, imo it is like a rerun of past splits happening right now - and I don't think it even really matters if SSPX "join" modernist Rome or not.

My .02.

brainglitch · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2012, 10:04:42 AM »

[quoteI favour a network of independent parishes where the assets are locally controlled. [/quote]

So....the Americanist model of independent chapels/parishes, controlled by lay boards, with the priest hired (and fired) by the board?

Sounds like a great idea :rolleyes: