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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Infirmus on April 16, 2025, 07:19:53 PM
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Would we have some Priests in North America?
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If God wanted +Zendejas to start a seminary, it would've happened. Quit complaining and criticizing. There are plenty of seminaries in the US.
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If God wanted +Zendejas to start a seminary, it would've happened. Quit complaining and criticizing. There are plenty of seminaries in the US.
You must be Novus order or sede
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Would we have some Priests in North America?
Support the current SAJM Seminary and encourage young men to go there, then over time there will be enough priest to help start a 2nd seminary in the USA.
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The french sajm seminary already sent one priest to US. We are now waiting for american vocations...
But yes, by any.means, support the seminary already existing, this is the best way to have more priests at one point...
Share their news and publications:
https://apotresdejesusetdemarie.fr/
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If only I were born in the High Middle Ages....:confused:
If and when Our Lord wants +Bp. Z. to open a seminary, that’s what’ll happen. The same should have been said of +Bp. W. (R.I.P.). Here’s where I seriously disagree with Fr. H. Instead of continuing to castigate +Bp. W. posthumously, why not let it go and concentrate on his Oratory? His online classes are pretty good. Maybe God wants a monastery right now in NH, not a seminary. If He wants a seminary, He will provide one by whatever means, not necessarily by sending one of Bp. W’s bishops.
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The french sajm seminary already sent one priest to US. We are now waiting for american vocations...
But yes, by any.means, support the seminary already existing, this is the best way to have more priests at one point...
Share their news and publications:
https://apotresdejesusetdemarie.fr/
Thank you for this link!
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The french sajm seminary already sent one priest to US. We are now waiting for american vocations...
Bishop Pfeiffer already has plenty of American vocations. ;)
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Bishop Pfeiffer already has plenty of American vocations. ;)
Not funny. It’s a serious matter in my mind because even if one is okay with the Thuc line bishops, all there is to go upon is the Webster consecration online, dubious at best. Supposedly, corrections were made afterwards in the sacristy according to Fr. P. through P. the A.E. Nobody videoed it, recorded it, and Bp. Webster has gone to his reward. If there were other witnesses, they’ve not made themselves known. At this point, even if someone claimed to have been there, too much time has passed and any people I can’t think of are not reliable, or are deceased. This means one must be very careful about any unknown men calling themselves priests. I haven’t yet heard any apology or even acknowledgement about the fake bishop Ambrose Moran. That and lots of other factors cause me to refuse Mass and Sacraments from anyone at that establishment except for the priest who grew up there. I know he’s a real priest. But he is certainly not my first choice unless the matter is urgent. There are other options in the general area, up to three hour’s drive. I’m convinced the one way to turn OLMC around is to banish a certain person and call in priests to do exorcisms and reconsecrations, providing a right mind is restored to the founder.
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If God wanted +Zendejas to start a seminary, it would've happened. Quit complaining and criticizing. There are plenty of seminaries in the US.
I would like to know 5 seminaries that you would recommend, it would give good insight in your resistant mentality
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In the Liturgy, Bp. Zendejas's reminder lesson is coming soon.
(https://i.imgur.com/fmROewt.jpeg)
"Peter, lovest thou me?"
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The french sajm seminary already sent one priest to US. We are now waiting for american vocations...
But yes, by any.means, support the seminary already existing, this is the best way to have more priests at one point...
Share their news and publications:
https://apotresdejesusetdemarie.fr/
Someone once said on these boards that the SAJM has its classes in Latin (by the Dominicans) and that the daily life languange is French (obviously, since they are in France).
So, American seminarians have to learn two languages pretty well before even taking the plane to France.
A lot of good young men who would probably be good priests are kept from the priesthood because of this, I would imagine. I mean, how many Americans can speak French properly? What about Latin, which is even harder?
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The classes of the dominicans are not really in latin, except maybe one father... and the other may use some latin textbook, but teach in french...
And to master latin is normally a prerequisite for priests...
In normal times, classes would really be in latin, and they would have to learn greek and hebrew...
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The classes of the dominicans are not really in latin, except maybe one father... and the other may use some latin textbook, but teach in french...
And to master latin is normally a prerequisite for priests...
In normal times, classes would really be in latin, and they would have to learn greek and hebrew...
Thank you for the information.
Do present day priests really master Latin? They can read and understand it, for sure, but can they conduct a conversation? I would think not.
Priests in normal times would have a far deeper training than the average Traditionalist priest, as far as I know.
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Two of the full time priests in America right now are French. Bp.Zendejas is a native Spanish speaker.
If they hadn't learned English, where would we be?
Nonetheless, if an American young man was interested in exploring a vocation, I wouldn't be booking plane tickets to France without speaking with Bp.Z first.
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My observation from the sidelines ... and I was born in 1951, so my view goes back aways.
To my knowledge, these are the seminaries in North America which train traditional priests, or priests who offer the Tridentine Mass and provide the Sacraments in the traditional form. Some here would not recognize all of these as being "traditionalist". I'm thinking that those here of the "resistance to the SSPX" position may not be comfortable with sending a son with a vocation to any of these seminaries.
Bishop Sanborn's Most Holy Trinity Seminary, moved from Florida to Reading, PA.
Saint Gertrude the Great (Ohio); Their seminarians are with Father Carlos Ercoli at Holy Redeemer Chapel in Seattle.
CMRI: Mater Dei Major Seminary in Omaha, NE, a secondary campus in Persia, IA, and a Minor Seminary (high school) in Rathdrum, ID.
SSPV's Immaculate Heart Seminary Round Top, New York.
SSPX's St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary Dillwyn, VA.
FSSP's Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary Denton, NE.
Our Lady of Mount Carmel Seminary Boston, KY (Bishop Joseph Pfeiffer, I'll leave it to others to decide if a "?" is needed in his title).
As for the language issue: Theology used to be taught in Latin, and a mastery of Latin was required to be admitted to a major seminary (St. John Vianney is said to have struggled with this). Off the top of my head I don't know when theology began to be taught in the vernacular languages, but I'm thinking it wasn't until the early 20th century. Back in "my day" (born 1951), if one hadn't discerned a vocation by the 8th grade it was assumed they didn't have one, and that thought goes WAY BACK. There was a seminary in Wisconsin that specialized in "delayed vocations", but that was mostly for men who because of family reasons (like they had to work to help support their family) or illness, not because they weren't figuring out a vocation until they were in their twenties'.
So, "back in the day" most men entered the minor seminary (high school), than two to three years of philosophy (college level). They would have had six to seven years of Latin instruction before entering the major seminary for four years of theology. They would have also taken instruction in Greek and sometimes Hebrew, plus perhaps a foreign language if they were going to do missionary work.
I took two years of Spanish in high school, which I had mostly forgotten when six years latter I went to Colombia for the Peace Corps, working with cattle producers. After twelve weeks of language training and two years of service I could speak intelligently about livestock, forage and grain crops, farming in general. I could read the newspapers, follow newscasts on the radio and television, order a meal, order cuts of beef at the butcher shop, negotiate with vendors in the market about the price of fruits and vegetables, negotiate an apartment lease, and carry on general conversations about current topics. With this background I could not imagine attempting to comprehend the intricacies of the "Summa Theologica", let alone deliver a coherent sermon on correct doctrine, nor give sound counsel in the confessional. The idea that a young man could take one of those crash language courses in French, spend maybe a year of two in France, and then be ready to master St. Thomas Aquinas ... I believe that would be very unwise.
If the resistance believes that it is the "true voice of tradition" I would think they will have to offer formation in either the native tongue of seminarians, or provide for seminarians to have a minimum of two very intensive language training before they begin their theological studies in a particular language.
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I'm starting to think about a wide pattern here.
When something isn't happening, something that YOU think is a good idea (but apparently it's not too high on God's priority list?), what can logically be concluded?
That you're not doing enough? Because the results aren't there? I don't see how you could EVER prove such a thing.
To criticize someone as "falling short in effort" would imply that YOU KNOW FOR A FACT that such an outcome is possible. Being non-omniscient, none of us ever know that.
Whether those results are "a flourishing SSPX-size organization", "lots of American, English speaking Trad priests" or "finding a job", many times there is only ONE proper answer: you must be patient, and wait for God's good time.
Yes, we must "work as if everything depended on us, and pray as if everything depended on God." But HOW MUCH WORK? How much human activity is enough? There will never be complete agreement on this, because it's a matter of opinion.
Sometimes you just can't rush Providence, or basically impose your will (however good and true you think that will is!) upon reality.
When the results aren't there, results which you are CONVINCED must be a good thing, and can't conceive it any other way -- that doesn't mean God doesn't see it another way. You are just a limited human being.
When should we conclude that "the results aren't there -- you're not doing enough HUMAN ACTIVITY. This is a GOOD GOAL. IT MUST BE REACHED. It must be realized and manifested in reality!"
When can we conclude the person is at fault, or lazy? Should we ever make such a judgment? Under what circuмstances?