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Author Topic: If ABL lived today, the SSPX would not have succeeded  (Read 3270 times)

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Offline Matthew

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Re: If ABL lived today, the SSPX would not have succeeded
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2021, 09:56:59 PM »
Sure, but the fact is there would be no FSSP, in fact no Indultarian/Motarian movement at all were it not for +Lefebvre.  With a handful of independent pre-V2-ordained  priests passing away now, the Tridentine Mass would have been all but exstinct.

All these Motarians who are so critical of the SSPX "schism" would not exist, and they would not have what they have, were it not for the "disobedience" of Archbishop Lefebvre.

I agree -- but I would retort that you're getting "lost in the example". Omnis comparatio claudicat...

All comparisons limp, except in the point of comparison.

Offline Matthew

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Re: If ABL lived today, the SSPX would not have succeeded
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2021, 10:04:39 PM »
Mr. McFarland wrote in and said,


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ABL's living an EASY MODE compared to +Williamson?  Have you read +Tissier's biography?  If so, could you look me in the eye and say that ABL EVER lived an EASY MODE?


I didn't say that +ABL was living life on easy mode, or that he had no sufferings in his life. I said he was on Easy Mode (as in a game) COMPARED TO BISHOP WILLIAMSON. Guess what? All those dry martyrdom points suffered by +ABL are also well-known to +W as well. But +W is dealing with an enemy who is diabolically clever enough to make no martyrs, to set up controlled opposition, and keep the people happy, lest they LEAVE and become SUPPORTERS of a resistance movement -- whether the Traditional Movement in the 70's or the Resistance in 2012 and after.

A lot of lessons were learned after Vatican II. Setting up the Indult was a stroke of diabolical genius. You want to give the people an OUTLET for their desires for things traditional. You want to fulfill those needs, lest they leave and have them fulfilled completely and properly in the Traditional Movement. But then you can't control them. So you can't have that.

+ABL was dealing with a ham-fisted opponent, a metaphorical bull in a china shop, who woke up countless Catholics to the Crisis and drove many into the waiting arms of Tradition. Having to choose between the SSPX Tridentine Mass and the banal, empty Novus Ordo -- that was a no-brainer for most. So after leaving behind the empty religion of man, they joined and supported the Traditional Movement with their time, their money, their labors. Groups like the SSPX benefited GREATLY from this.


Re: If ABL lived today, the SSPX would not have succeeded
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2021, 04:07:16 AM »
At this time, SSPX and independent chapels are overloaded with Catholics from indult and even the novus Ordo. 

The chapel I went to last night was so crowded, that people couldn’t sit in pews. Huge line for confession too. 



Re: If ABL lived today, the SSPX would not have succeeded
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2021, 04:26:52 AM »
Yes. True. There would be no SSPX.
If there had been Diocesan Latin Mass to go to.  Many Catholics in our area left the church after Vatican II.  The Diocesan Latin Masses do nothing to correct the mortal sins within their diocese.  The one I know is always raising money for the corrupt diocese when they shouldn’t get a cent.

“Imagine if +ABL had to compete with an entrenched FSSP with 550 priests and hundreds of chapels, offering the "Latin Mass" in union with Rome, usually less than 1 hour from most people? The SSPX would never have taken off” 


Offline Stubborn

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Re: If ABL lived today, the SSPX would not have succeeded
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2021, 05:12:49 AM »
I know this is all hypothetical -- I realize that God prepared +ABL for the mission His Divine Providence had planned for him, which was from the 60's at Vatican II itself until his death in 1991.

But indulge me for a moment --

Things are worse than they have ever been, INCLUDING the past 50 years of Crisis.

With regards to the Crisis in the Church and Tradition, in most ways, the 70's and 80's were "the good old days" compared to today.

Just look at the first 10 years of the SSPX, vs. the first 10 years of the Resistance -- you'll see what I mean. SAME DOCTRINAL POSITION. But +ABL was living on EASY MODE compared to Bishop Williamson and the other Resistance bishops.

The only single advantage -- a lifejacket, if you will -- is the existence of the Internet now. Which is both a blessing and a curse, of course. Ebay makes it easy to get equipment for new chapels -- but it also means that closing churches will sell stuff on eBay now instead of donating it to a poor chapel. The Internet makes it easy to advertise and find new parishioners -- but you also get errors and proselytizing from rival groups, taking away parishioners from you. So the Internet giveth, and the Internet taketh away -- as it were.

But here's the clincher:

Imagine if +ABL had to compete with an entrenched FSSP with 550 priests and hundreds of chapels, offering the "Latin Mass" in union with Rome, usually less than 1 hour from most people? The SSPX would never have taken off.
Well said!