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Offline For Greater Glory

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I want the whole world to know about Fr. Adam Portugal
« on: September 01, 2013, 04:51:46 PM »
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  • Hi, all
        Just want everyone to know of my discussion with our new priest, Fr. Adam Portugal, today. Someone had sent me information of when he was in MN, not good. Another person said he was being sent to make us give our money. Father began his sermon saying that we all know the state of the world and that we shouldn't so easily get agitated. ( Clue right there- just be good, pay, pray and obey) The rest of the sermon was like a bunch of loose ends, so I really don't know what it was about.

    The coordinator asked me to talk to Father, as he had to leave right after Mass. I asked Father about the incident in MN, why people left and became leaders in the resistance. Father said it had nothing to do about the resistance. It concerned a problem with the school. He said one of the parishioners almost punched him. I said that was awful, because he'd be attacking Our Lord.(BUT NOW I'M NOT SO SURE-MAYBE IT MIGHT DO SOME GOOD) Anyway, I gave Father the benefit of the doubt, but like someone posted the other day-you should never give a benefit to a doubt!!! Okay, after that we went on to Bishop Williamson-he's a convert-got nowhere there. Then Bishop de Mallerais. He approved of him, cause he sides with Bishop Fellay. Next, Father Pfeiffer-well, he's totally bad-built the church in Colorado and didn't want to leave. Father Morel? His response was, "You're pitting a disobedient priest, a bishop who was a former protestant and a priest who was in the novus ordo against 40 years of pious priests." It didn't seem to matter that they converted. Everything I said, he just twisted and turned. I'M TELLING YOU, THIS PRIEST IS MEAN AND VICIOUS. I can see why they sent him. We mentioned Vat. II. It was as if that was all right, just have to understand it correctly. Novus Ordo legally promulgated, no problem here!!!

    I mentioned the group or rite -the name starts with A, but I can't remember it-that BXVI said was okay to not have a consecration in the Mass. He had an excuse, for that-other rites are different than the Latin rite. I know, but how does one have Mass without a consecration?

    We talked about the popes-BOY- he's for the popes! Remember, you kiss their ring, blah, blah. I said they have to be Catholic. The popes have said and done heresy. Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Last thing was about Fr. Young giving a catechism class on the validity of the novus ordo and not wanting to discuss licitity. At that point, we went into the other room to ask others who were there at the time, about the matter. Well, Father goes up to the family that's been thick with the SSPX and says " Mrs. So and So. says Fr. Young said it's okay to go to the new mass."  At this point I just lost it, I shouted that I was tired of him twisting and turning my words. Words were going back and forth by then. He said I was being disrespectul or something like that to him. (because I contradicted him) I told him that he and Bishop Fellay should go to the monastery for a few years, just like Bishop Fellay told Fr. Hewko. At that, he started going to his room, but when he saw me going to the door to leave, it was all bye Mrs. So and So.

    Anyway, I've tried several times and I've had it. Don't want no more of the SSPX, because THEY HAVE LOST THE FAITH. Like I said before, what good is it to occupy the pew? The laity and the priests must speak up, but unfortunately at this chapel there's not enough of us.


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    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2013, 05:27:16 PM »
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  • That's how they explain away Bishop Williamson -- that he's a convert? LOL

    St Paul and a host of saints above are having a good laugh at that.

    And Fr. Pfeiffer just didn't want to leave Colorado?

    It's pretty sad that those are the straws they have to cling to. Not a word about the actual issues?

    :facepalm:  :pray:


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    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2013, 05:33:07 PM »
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  • I don't understand this part:

    "You're pitting a disobedient priest, a bishop who was a former protestant and a priest who was in the novus ordo against 40 years of pious priests."

    Is this what Father Morel said to you about the Resistance?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2013, 05:38:00 PM »
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  • Fr. Young said basically the same thing in Orlando/Sanford a number of years ago. It was back when that chapel was a mission. Father said something of the lines of that if there isn't Mass here (for a Holy Day of obligation) and there's a Novus Ordo that isn't too bad, then go. How does one define "not as bad" when you have a "bastardized rite" that is at best doubtful in validity?

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    « Reply #4 on: September 01, 2013, 06:05:04 PM »
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  • Wallflower said:
    That's how they explain away Bishop Williamson -- that he's a convert? LOL

    St Paul and a host of saints above are having a good laugh at that.

    And Fr. Pfeiffer just didn't want to leave Colorado?

    It's pretty sad that those are the straws they have to cling to. Not a word about the actual issues?


    Nope, not at all!! Remember, they don't have the faith!!!


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    « Reply #5 on: September 01, 2013, 06:09:35 PM »
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  • Fr Portugal mean and vicious... well, he had a good teacher.... :tv-disturbed:

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    « Reply #6 on: September 01, 2013, 06:10:57 PM »
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  • mithrandylan said:
    I don't understand this part:

    "You're pitting a disobedient priest, a bishop who was a former protestant and a priest who was in the novus ordo against 40 years of pious priests."

    Is this what Father Morel said to you about the Resistance?


    I'm sorry. I didn't make this clear. Father was saying that I put Fr. Pfeiffer and the other priests(who he says are disobedient), Bishop Williamson ( a convert from protestantism) and Fr. Morel (who left the novus ordo) against the 40  pious priests of the SSPX.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2013, 06:32:30 PM »
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  • Sorry.
    40 years of pious priests of the SSPX.

    Y'all, I was in such a rage and tears today. I am worn out and don't even know what I'm saying.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 01, 2013, 06:52:38 PM »
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  • Just remembered. When discussing the popes, he asked if I believed Annas and Caiaphas were the Jєωιѕн leaders. Yes. Did I believe Christ was a Jєω? Of course.

    I don't believe that's a fair analogy. Those Jєωs weren't disowning the Jєωιѕн religion. They were killing Our Lord because He claimed to be a King.
    The popes of today aren't Catholic. Different matter.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 01, 2013, 06:58:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: For Greater Glory
    mithrandylan said:
    I don't understand this part:

    "You're pitting a disobedient priest, a bishop who was a former protestant and a priest who was in the novus ordo against 40 years of pious priests."

    Is this what Father Morel said to you about the Resistance?


    I'm sorry. I didn't make this clear. Father was saying that I put Fr. Pfeiffer and the other priests(who he says are disobedient), Bishop Williamson ( a convert from protestantism) and Fr. Morel (who left the novus ordo) against the 40  pious priests of the SSPX.


    OK, thank you.  That did not sound at all like something Fr Morel would say, but the way you wrote it I thought he did, and assumed the priest from the Novus Ordo referred to Fr. Voigt.  And with such a small minority of priests resisting the SSPX slide (esp. H.E. TdM) I would now not be surprised at any priest who decided to throw in with Menzingen.  When you dance with the devil...
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #10 on: September 01, 2013, 07:09:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: For Greater Glory
    mithrandylan said:
    I don't understand this part:

    "You're pitting a disobedient priest, a bishop who was a former protestant and a priest who was in the novus ordo against 40 years of pious priests."

    Is this what Father Morel said to you about the Resistance?


    I'm sorry. I didn't make this clear. Father was saying that I put Fr. Pfeiffer and the other priests(who he says are disobedient), Bishop Williamson ( a convert from protestantism) and Fr. Morel (who left the novus ordo) against the 40  pious priests of the SSPX.


    You were clear. I understood it as the degrading quote it was, from Fr. Portugal about Fr. Morel et al.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2013, 08:05:00 PM »
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  • I think you do need to take it easy on these priests, they didn't invent the problems in the Church, they are simply trying to keep the faith and hand it on amidst the madness.

    I kind of see a sort of hypocrisy with certain members here. On the one hand they want to attend the SSPX Mass centers and want the SSPX priests and sacraments to be available to them and the on the other hand it is as though they want these good priests to leave the SSPX. You can't have it both ways.

    No SSPX has to agree with us on particulars, on this or that person or this or that thing. What we all must agree upon is the faith. I don't think that Fr. Portugal disagree's with that.

    Various SSPX priest I have come across have different views on all things mentioned, but that doesn't make them any lesser of a person.

    What is more, is that I don't think we should be placing personal conversations with a priest online for all to read. I don't think it shows any respect for Fr. Portugal, regardless of what one might think of him.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 01, 2013, 09:11:01 PM »
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  • Johnnier said:

    I think you do need to take it easy on these priests, they didn't invent the problems in the Church, they are simply trying to keep the faith and hand it on amidst the madness.


    Johnnier, that's just it. THESE priests aren't keeping the faith!!! For heaven's sake, we are at war! They have an obligation to defend the faith against the errors of liberalism and modernism. It's not okay to be silent!



    Johnnier said:
    I kind of see a sort of hypocrisy with certain members here. On the one hand they want to attend the SSPX Mass centers and want the SSPX priests and sacraments to be available to them and the on the other hand it is as though they want these good priests to leave the SSPX. You can't have it both ways.

    Johnnier,
    They just want these good priests to speak out, so that the good archbishop's society can continue his work, but with new leadership.

    Johnnier said:
    No SSPX has to agree with us on particulars, on this or that person or this or that thing. What we all must agree upon is the faith. I don't think that Fr. Portugal disagree's with that.

    Johnnier, That's what was clear to me today. He doesn't agree with us on the faith.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2013, 09:20:33 PM »
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  • Pope Felix III said:
    “Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and, indeed, to neglect to confound evil men—when we can do it—is no less a sin than to encourage them.”

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    « Reply #14 on: September 01, 2013, 10:46:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: wallflower
    That's how they explain away Bishop Williamson -- that he's a convert? LOL

    St Paul and a host of saints above are having a good laugh at that.

    And Fr. Pfeiffer just didn't want to leave Colorado?

    It's pretty sad that those are the straws they have to cling to. Not a word about the actual issues?

    :facepalm:  :pray:


    This is a point Father brought up during his last visit, which no one can  (successfully) argue with:

    If there is something evil or wrong about the Resistance, please point out the doctrine. Enough with the ad-hominems. "+W is a protestant", "Fr. Pfeiffer personally was attached to the large chapel he built" etc.

    Is that all they got?

    The sad thing is, this is ALL I'VE EVER SEEN LEVELED AGAINST THE RESISTANCE. Doubts, insinuations, repetitious propaganda, buzzwords, jingoism, associations with various evil men and movements throughout history, etc.

    Nothing concrete. Nothing on DOCTRINE. Doctrine is all that matters!
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