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Offline tegoMass

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« on: July 22, 2013, 02:34:02 PM »
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  •  What is the meaning of this?! :faint:
    I just recieved the Regina Coeli and found this article, 'Blessing of New Bells in Gabon.'
     
    The Society's mission in Gabon, Africa has consecrated three bells for their mission with the names St. Nicolas of Flue, St. Therese and.... Pope Marcel I!

    They say that they did this to show gratitude to the revered founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. I sincerely believe that the Archbishop would not appreciate this.

    "We may be few in number, but we're fighters all of us!"


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    « Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 02:52:38 PM »
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  •  :scratchchin:
    Maybe he wouldn't appreciate it.  I wouldn't flip out over this as there are many more issues of eternal consequence going on.  Maybe each priest chose a favorite saint?  These are three solid saints regardless of ABL's opinion.  If they'd chosen JP II, Paul VI, and John XXIII, it would be another matter!
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    « Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 03:05:32 PM »
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  • Archbishop LeFebrvre does need to be canonized, he's clearly a saint in the mold of St. Athanasius.  Even in the time of St. Athanasius, there wasn't a wholesale rejection of Catholicism from the pope on down.  Future generations will understand this much more clearly.  However, since he never was a pope, he should not be mentioned as one.  


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    « Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 04:06:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: tegoMass
    What is the meaning of this?! :faint:
    I just recieved the Regina Coeli and found this article, 'Blessing of New Bells in Gabon.'
     
    The Society's mission in Gabon, Africa has consecrated three bells for their mission with the names St. Nicolas of Flue, St. Therese and.... Pope Marcel I!

    They say that they did this to show gratitude to the revered founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. I sincerely believe that the Archbishop would not appreciate this.



    What in the world are you talking about?

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    « Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 04:24:44 PM »
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  • There is no Novus Ordoness at all. The OP is referencing this article:

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/blessing-new-bells-gabon-1733

    The pope being referenced in this article is Pope St. Marcellus I, of whom the great Archbishop
    Lefebvre is named after. In French, Marcellus translates simply as Marcel, and the author of this article, who is a French speaking SSPX priest, left Pope St. Marcellus's name in the French manner, confusing the OP.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Marcellus_I


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    « Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 04:25:02 PM »
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  • The Regina Coeli report makes reference to a "Pope Marcel" in honor of the SSPX founder.

    Well, is there a Pope Marcel?

    Perhaps they are referring to Pope Marcellinus " (296 ~ 304 AD)






    Pope Marcellinus

    Then they would be implying +ADL was named after him?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 04:30:33 PM »
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    There is no Novus Ordoness at all. The OP is referencing this article:

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/blessing-new-bells-gabon-1733

    The pope being referenced in this article is Pope St. Marcellus I, of whom the great Archbishop
    Lefebvre is named after. In French, Marcellus translates simply as Marcel, and the author of this article, who is a French speaking SSPX priest, left Pope St. Marcellus's name in the French manner, confusing the OP.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Marcellus_I


    Pope St. Marcellus I. Pope St Marcel in French.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 07:02:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ck104
    There is no Novus Ordoness at all. The OP is referencing this article:

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/blessing-new-bells-gabon-1733

    The pope being referenced in this article is Pope St. Marcellus I, of whom the great Archbishop
    Lefebvre is named after. In French, Marcellus translates simply as Marcel, and the author of this article, who is a French speaking SSPX priest, left Pope St. Marcellus's name in the French manner, confusing the OP.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Marcellus_I



    From the linked sspx.org news site:

    We present here the three bells of the St. Pius Mission:

    First bell; St. Marcel I: Why [Pope] St. Marcel I? To show our gratitude to our revered founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who not only gave 13 years of his priestly life in Gabon, but also for his special protection on our beloved Gabon mission... for all the benefits he gave to the Church (the Mass of All Time, the SSPX, Catholic bishops and priests, etc..).

    On the bell’s back (side 2), we have the episcopal coat of arms of our founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, followed by the reverent text, "I am merely a Catholic bishop who transmits what he received - quod Tradidi and accepi, June 30, 1988". The bell sounds on the note of "LA" and weighs 450 kg!

    Furthermore, every time the villagers hear St. Marcel I ring, they
    are asked to put a penny in the saving jar to be collected every
    month which we will send to the august St. Marcel Initiative.  


                                                 :clown:


    Uhhhh...  "I am merely a Catholic bishop who transmits what he received - quod Tradidi and accepi, June 30, 1988".

    If they really cast this into the back side of the bell, someone should
    be in a LOT OF TROUBLE.  (See below.)

    Apparently it's a website typo.  The bronze bell foundry wouldn't make
    a mistake like that!  















    Incred:   Pope Marcellinus

    Then they would be implying +ADL was named after him?  

     ............is that a crude joke about the St. Marcel Initiative??

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    « Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 07:41:30 PM »
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  • .

    According to these dates, the first one was pope when St.
    Philomena was martyred in A.D. 302.


    There were three popes "Marcel" apparently (Wikipedia):



    Pope St. Marcellinus
    (Italian: Marcellino; died 1 April 304) was the head of the Catholic Church from 30 June 296 to his death in 304.[1] According to the Liberian Catalogue, he was a Roman, the son of a certain Projectus. His predecessor was Pope Caius.[2]
    Marcellinus’ pontificate began at a time when Diocletian was Roman Emperor, but had not yet started to persecute the Christians. He left Christianity rather free and so the church’s membership grew. Caesar Galerius led the pagan movement against Christianity and arrived to bring up Diocletian against Christianity in the year 302: first Christian soldiers had to leave the army, later the Church's property was confiscated and Christian books were destroyed. After two fires in Diocletian’s palace he took harder measures against Christians: they had either to apostatize or they were sentenced to death.

    The second was the immediate successor to the first (after
    4 years of sedevacante):

    Pope St. Marcellus I (Latin: Marcellus PP. I, Italian: Marcello I; died 309) was the head of the Catholic Church from May or June 308 to his death in 309.[1] He succeeded Pope Marcellinus after a considerable interregum. (304 - 308)
    His third-class feast day is kept on January 16 in the extraordinary form of the Roman Rite.

    The third has not been canonized a saint (even though he was
    certainly a SAINT compared to John XXIII, Paul VI, or JPII!!!  
    HAHAHAHAHA):

    Pope Marcellus II
    (Latin: Marcellus PP. II, Italian: Marcello II; 6 May 1501 – 1 May 1555), born Marcello Cervini degli Spannochi, was the head of the Catholic Church from 9 April 1555 to his death on 1 May, 1555. He succeeded Pope Julius III. Before his accession as pope he had been Cardinal-Priest of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme. He is the most recent pope to choose to retain his birth name as his regnal name upon his accession, as well as only the second and most recent pope to date to take the name "Marcellus" upon being elected. After his death, it would be 423 years before another pope would choose a name with an ordinal number less than IV (John Paul I). He died on the 22nd day after his election, in the same month of April 1555.  Pope Marcellus II was Pontiff for less than one month. He was one of the popes during the Council of Trent (December 13, 1545 to December 4, 1563),
    although he ironically did not act as Pope during Trent, since it was not in session
    during the month of April, the only month Marcellus II occupied the Chair of St. Peter.
    It seems he suffered death due to the rigors of Holy Week!!




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    « Reply #9 on: July 23, 2013, 03:04:13 AM »
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  • Wasn't there a delegation from Gabon at Lefebvre's episcopal consecrations 25 years ago?

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    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2013, 03:42:42 AM »
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  • What's the big deal?

    Are folks forgetting the St Marcel Initiative for Bishop Williamson?


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    « Reply #11 on: July 23, 2013, 04:43:16 AM »
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  • Clare makes a good point. As for "smelling novus ordoness" I am always surprised of the surprise people have. As I see it there are a variety of people, who attend the SSPX. Some exclusively, others both Indult/SSPX, others SSPX/Novus Ordo.

    Even recently some were lamenting here in Ireland that more and more ladies are in chapel wearing trousers and without their heads covered.

    With abortion being being legislated for, a way to counter it is for women to get married and have children and to go back to wearing the attire of women and stay away from universities.

    This St Marcel Initiative and The Recusant are vital tools in the counter power."Tradify" can be be the new battle anthem.

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    « Reply #12 on: July 23, 2013, 04:47:02 AM »
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  • The main point is there is no "novus ordoness" regarding the subject of the thread.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 24, 2013, 09:47:01 PM »
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  • People will always disappoint....Ladies in pants, heads uncovered ruins the atmosphere for me.
    The non-trad worldview is always disconcerting...I remember one woman talking to a group of ladies and  I heard her say ( with a particularly stern look on her face) " tolerance is very important"..in reference to what I don't know...but when we tolerate error it's only because we have to...but error has no rights and tolerance of error isn't a virtue..
    This same woman sat at my wife's picnic table, sometime before the elections, and sd " the Mormons are very close to us..." My wife, correctly sd " that's ridiculous...any protestant sect is closer than they are.."
    Where are we finding such people? The Order of the Eastern Star?

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    « Reply #14 on: July 24, 2013, 10:01:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill
    People will always disappoint....Ladies in pants, heads uncovered ruins the atmosphere for me.
    The non-trad worldview is always disconcerting...I remember one woman talking to a group of ladies and  I heard her say ( with a particularly stern look on her face) " tolerance is very important"..in reference to what I don't know...but when we tolerate error it's only because we have to...but error has no rights and tolerance of error isn't a virtue..
    This same woman sat at my wife's picnic table, sometime before the elections, and sd " the Mormons are very close to us..." My wife, correctly sd " that's ridiculous...any protestant sect is closer than they are.."
    Where are we finding such people? The Order of the Eastern Star?


    Those people are spreading liberalism because the priests are allowing it and encouraging it.

    What would happen if someone was encouraging tolerance of resistance priests or sedes?

    The liberals can smell what's going on and they're becoming bolder.  They are fanatics.  Look at FE.  You don't start a large traditionalist board and systematically corrupt the message there and the people there without a fanatical desire to impose liberalism, a true hatred of the religion.