Author Topic: I Smell Novus Ordoness. You too? (Read 4589 times)

Incredulous · « **Reply #5 on:** July 22, 2013, 04:25:02 PM »

The Regina Coeli report makes reference to a "Pope Marcel" in honor of the SSPX founder.

Well, is there a Pope Marcel?

Perhaps they are referring to Pope Marcellinus " (296 ~ 304 AD)

Pope Marcellinus

Then they would be implying +ADL was named after him?

Ck104 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 22, 2013, 04:30:33 PM »

Quote from: Ck104

There is no Novus Ordoness at all. The OP is referencing this article:

http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/blessing-new-bells-gabon-1733

The pope being referenced in this article is Pope St. Marcellus I, of whom the great Archbishop
Lefebvre is named after. In French, Marcellus translates simply as Marcel, and the author of this article, who is a French speaking SSPX priest, left Pope St. Marcellus's name in the French manner, confusing the OP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Marcellus_I

Pope St. Marcellus I. Pope St Marcel in French.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2013, 07:02:27 PM »

Quote from: Ck104

There is no Novus Ordoness at all. The OP is referencing this article:

http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/blessing-new-bells-gabon-1733

The pope being referenced in this article is Pope St. Marcellus I, of whom the great Archbishop
Lefebvre is named after. In French, Marcellus translates simply as Marcel, and the author of this article, who is a French speaking SSPX priest, left Pope St. Marcellus's name in the French manner, confusing the OP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Marcellus_I

From the linked sspx.org news site:

We present here the three bells of the St. Pius Mission:

First bell; St. Marcel I: Why [Pope] St. Marcel I? To show our gratitude to our revered founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who not only gave 13 years of his priestly life in Gabon, but also for his special protection on our beloved Gabon mission... for all the benefits he gave to the Church (the Mass of All Time, the SSPX, Catholic bishops and priests, etc..).

On the bell’s back (side 2), we have the episcopal coat of arms of our founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, followed by the reverent text, "I am merely a Catholic bishop who transmits what he received - quod Tradidi and accepi, June 30, 1988". The bell sounds on the note of "LA" and weighs 450 kg!

Furthermore, every time the villagers hear St. Marcel I ring, they
are asked to put a penny in the saving jar to be collected every
month which we will send to the august St. Marcel Initiative.

Uhhhh... "I am merely a Catholic bishop who transmits what he received - quod Tradidi and accepi, June 30, 1988".

If they really cast this into the back side of the bell, someone should
be in a LOT OF TROUBLE. (See below.)

Apparently it's a website typo. The bronze bell foundry wouldn't make
a mistake like that!

Incred: Pope Marcellinus

Then they would be implying +ADL was named after him?

............is that a crude joke about the St. Marcel Initiative??

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2013, 07:41:30 PM »

.

According to these dates, the first one was pope when St.
Philomena was martyred in A.D. 302.

There were three popes "Marcel" apparently (Wikipedia):

Pope St. Marcellinus (Italian: Marcellino; died 1 April 304) was the head of the Catholic Church from 30 June 296 to his death in 304.[1] According to the Liberian Catalogue, he was a Roman, the son of a certain Projectus. His predecessor was Pope Caius.[2]
Marcellinus’ pontificate began at a time when Diocletian was Roman Emperor, but had not yet started to persecute the Christians. He left Christianity rather free and so the church’s membership grew. Caesar Galerius led the pagan movement against Christianity and arrived to bring up Diocletian against Christianity in the year 302: first Christian soldiers had to leave the army, later the Church's property was confiscated and Christian books were destroyed. After two fires in Diocletian’s palace he took harder measures against Christians: they had either to apostatize or they were sentenced to death.

The second was the immediate successor to the first (after
4 years of sedevacante):

Pope St. Marcellus I (Latin: Marcellus PP. I, Italian: Marcello I; died 309) was the head of the Catholic Church from May or June 308 to his death in 309.[1] He succeeded Pope Marcellinus after a considerable interregum. (304 - 308)
His third-class feast day is kept on January 16 in the extraordinary form of the Roman Rite.

The third has not been canonized a saint (even though he was
certainly a SAINT compared to John XXIII, Paul VI, or JPII!!!
HAHAHAHAHA):

Pope Marcellus II (Latin: Marcellus PP. II, Italian: Marcello II; 6 May 1501 – 1 May 1555), born Marcello Cervini degli Spannochi, was the head of the Catholic Church from 9 April 1555 to his death on 1 May, 1555. He succeeded Pope Julius III. Before his accession as pope he had been Cardinal-Priest of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme. He is the most recent pope to choose to retain his birth name as his regnal name upon his accession, as well as only the second and most recent pope to date to take the name "Marcellus" upon being elected. After his death, it would be 423 years before another pope would choose a name with an ordinal number less than IV (John Paul I). He died on the 22nd day after his election, in the same month of April 1555. Pope Marcellus II was Pontiff for less than one month. He was one of the popes during the Council of Trent (December 13, 1545 to December 4, 1563),
although he ironically did not act as Pope during Trent, since it was not in session
during the month of April, the only month Marcellus II occupied the Chair of St. Peter.
It seems he suffered death due to the rigors of Holy Week!!

poche · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2013, 03:04:13 AM »

Wasn't there a delegation from Gabon at Lefebvre's episcopal consecrations 25 years ago?