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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: I Met a New SSPXer
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2023, 09:31:35 PM »
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  • I’ve looked for the citation for years.  It didn’t make my book, because I couldn’t come up with it.  I’d thought it was the 2015 Christmas conferences to the brothers in Flavigny (which are transcribed on The Recusant website), but I could t find it there.

    If anyone else can come up with it, I’d be much obliged.  In the meantime, feel free to put an asterisk next to it, but I’m not in the habit of making up citations (though I can’t rule out a defective memory).
    Make that 2013:

    https://www.therecusant.com/fr-pfluger-jan14 
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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #16 on: May 08, 2023, 10:45:07 PM »
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  • I can relate to how you feel Sean, though for me I have to refrain from sharing my sedevacantist viewpoint regarding the crisis in the church, especially with the rapid influx of indult refugees recently.

    I will say that the chapel I attend at is one of the better ones in the neo-SSPX in terms of speaking out against modernism and VII. The chapel has a wonderful bookstore that has some of the writings of Archbishop Lefbvre (I picked up his Letter to Confused Catholics recently), Michael Davies, Fr Cekada, and other great traditional authors. There's even a poster pinned to the wall listing the errors of VII if I remember correctly. It's definitely a great place for newcomers to traditional Catholicism to go by to expand their knowledge on the faith and the crisis in the Church.

    However, like you have noted, I don't hear preaching about the crisis in the Church regularly. It does get mentioned sometimes, but rarely is it really expanded upon (Fr Horvath has been the strongest preacher on this so far). The content of the regular sermons are still edifying (especially Fr Horvath's sermons; they always feel like they are personally calling me out, but in a good way), though I prefer to hear the CMRI priest that offers Mass at the SV chapel that I also attend preach.


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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #17 on: May 09, 2023, 02:08:08 AM »
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  • Make that 2013:

    https://www.therecusant.com/fr-pfluger-jan14
    No, it's not there. It's truly nauseating to read Fr Pfluger. He is the embodiment of the neoSSPX. I really wonder if he is the priest BW referred to in one of his conferences years ago when he made mention that one of his colleagues told him of his SSPX priest brother who had joined the Lodge... He is certainly doing their work.

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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #18 on: May 09, 2023, 04:12:12 AM »
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  • No, it's not there. It's truly nauseating to read Fr Pfluger. He is the embodiment of the neoSSPX. I really wonder if he is the priest BW referred to in one of his conferences years ago when he made mention that one of his colleagues told him of his SSPX priest brother who had joined the Lodge... He is certainly doing their work.

    I didn’t mean the citation was there, but that the brothers conferences were in 2013, not 2015.
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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #19 on: May 09, 2023, 04:31:14 AM »
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  • I didn’t mean the citation was there, but that the brothers conferences were in 2013, not 2015.
    Yes, I know. Make me do the leg work, that's okay, it was my question :-) Good to read that stuff again, lest we forget just how bad it was.. and is!


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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #20 on: May 09, 2023, 04:31:53 AM »
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  • Was it a new SSPXer or a spy?
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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #21 on: May 09, 2023, 04:35:14 AM »
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  • Yes, we were blessed to be there for a few good years.  

    Certainly not the faithful at coffee/donuts after Mass, as in the good old days.  Who was going to introduce him to the old, unedited Michael Davies books, Archbishop Lefebvre’s polemical works, or the history of the SSPX and it’s full raison d’etre? ”
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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #22 on: May 09, 2023, 05:18:05 AM »
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  • Yes, I know. Make me do the leg work, that's okay, it was my question :-) Good to read that stuff again, lest we forget just how bad it was.. and is!

    Getting closer:

    From CI member “Covet Truth:”

    Like Fr. Pfluger said, "This train leaves for Rome.  All who want to get off will get off".

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/secret-special-chapter-of-neo-fsspx/

    If now we can find the citation for these words of Fr. Pfluger, we will at long last have recovered our source.
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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #23 on: May 10, 2023, 04:20:36 AM »
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  • The SSPX used to give newcomers a packet of books specifically for that purpose.  I don’t remember what they were.  Are there any old-timers here who remember it?  I think it was in the 1990’s.

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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #24 on: May 10, 2023, 05:45:24 AM »
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  • The SSPX used to give newcomers a packet of books specifically for that purpose.  I don’t remember what they were.  Are there any old-timers here who remember it?  I think it was in the 1990’s.
    https://angeluspress.org/products/set-new-to-tradition-kit-ntt
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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #25 on: May 10, 2023, 09:21:25 AM »
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  • I am ready for some bold SSPX priest to say, "The New Mass is the fruit of the Freemasons, and there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church,"  as he kindly gets booted from the SSPX.  If you know of such an SSPX priest I am interested to know who he is.
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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #26 on: May 10, 2023, 09:52:01 PM »
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  • I am ready for some bold SSPX priest to say, "The New Mass is the fruit of the Freemasons, and there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church,"  as he kindly gets booted from the SSPX.  If you know of such an SSPX priest I am interested to know who he is.
    The only SSPX priest that I know of that would possibly do that is Fr Horvath. Admittedly, I only know of a few SSPX priests.

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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #27 on: May 10, 2023, 10:07:26 PM »
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  • https://angeluspress.org/products/set-new-to-tradition-kit-ntt
    I've seen those booklets from that kit in the vestibule at the chapel that I attend.

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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #28 on: May 11, 2023, 01:36:42 AM »
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  • At my SSPX chapel, I felt pretty lucky in that I felt we had priests who were genuinely Catholic and joined the society because they believed in Tradition.  But then we got one priest/school principal who succeeded in displaying numerous pictures of Francis, shaking hands with and spreading Novus Ordo beliefs, and transforming the school into solely a fundraising organization.

    I hope this isn’t the future of the SSPX - one of cultural/professional Catholicism.

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    Re: I Met a New SSPXer
    « Reply #29 on: May 11, 2023, 10:47:28 AM »
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  • https://angeluspress.org/products/set-new-to-tradition-kit-ntt
    Hlf the titles in the description don't match the picture. Have they changed what's in the kit?
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