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I believe this is an attack upon Padre Pfeiffer
« on: January 28, 2013, 11:17:11 PM »
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    I believe this is an attack upon Padre Pfeiffer
    « Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 11:26:48 PM »
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  • I thought those quotes were from de Noia's letter?

    Would you please try to write coherent posts with clear references to the matter you're discussing?


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    « Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 11:34:19 PM »
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  • It seems those quotes would be Abp Di Noia quoting St. Thomas who was commenting on St. Paul's letter.

    Quote from: Abp Di Noia's letter
    In order to persevere in the unity of the Church, St. Thomas Aquinas notes that, according to St. Paul, “four virtues must be cultivated, and their four opposite vices shunned” (Commentary on the Letter to the Ephesians §191). What gets in the way of unity? Pride, anger, impatience, and inordinate zeal. According to Aquinas, “the first vice which he [St. Paul] rejects is pride. When one arrogant person decides to rule others, while the other proud individuals do not want to submit, dissension arises in the society and peace disappears. ... Anger is the second vice. For an angry person is inclined to inflict injury, whether verbal or physical, from which disturbances occur. ... The third is impatience. Occasionally, someone who himself is humble and mild, refraining from causing trouble, nevertheless will not endure patiently the real or attempted wrongs done to himself. ... An inordinate zeal is the fourth vice. Inordinately zealous about everything, men will pass judgment on whatever they see, not waiting for the proper time and place; and a turmoil arises in society” (ibid).
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    « Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 11:45:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pablo
    Are my assumptions correct?


    No, I don't think St. Paul or St. Thomas Aquinas had Fr. Pfeiffer in mind.

    As for Apb Di Noia, I'm thinking "no" to that one as well.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    I believe this is an attack upon Padre Pfeiffer
    « Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 06:48:36 AM »
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  • The words Pablo quotes are not from His Excellency De Galarretta but from the letter of Di Noia to the SSPX members.

    Radio Christiandad explained yesterday that it was a joke, although my Google translator does not make much sense of the explanation.
    http://radiocristiandad.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/inocentada-aclaracion-necesaria-para-algunos/
    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

    "Is minic a gheibhean beal oscailt diog dunta"


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    I believe this is an attack upon Padre Pfeiffer
    « Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 11:44:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    I thought those quotes were from de Noia's letter?

    Would you please try to write coherent posts with clear references to the matter you're discussing?



    I was wont to be impressed with the St. Michael, but now,
    looking more closely it appears that's full of errors too..

    The words on the banner are these:

    Domino : Deo : tuo : adorabis : et : Illi : soli : servi : es : Matth.
     
    Which would be as follows without the colons:

    Domino Deo tuo adorabis et Illi soli servi es (Matth.)

    But those words are not found in Matthew's Gospel.
    Instead, what are found are these:



    Dominum Deum tuum adorabis et Illi soli servies.
    (Mt. iv. 10)




    Translation (Our Lord quoting Deuteronomy vi. 13 to the devil
    at His temptation):

    "(Begone, satan, for it is written)
    The Lord thy God thou shalt adore,
    and Him only shalt thou serve."



    (The banner at the bottom is correct, with "Non Serviam" which
    is the cry of satan, "I will not serve," his departing shot, as it
    were, as he was cast to hell forever and ever.  Amen.  St. Michael,
    archangel, gets his name in our knowledge (which may or may not
    be his name in eternity -- we will know when we get there) from
    his answer to this parting shot of the principal demon, which was
    "WHO IS LIKE UNTO GOD?"  Or, in the ancient Hebrew, Mi Cha El?
    And without the spaces and the caps, we get "Michael," as told by
    Fr. Euteneuer explains, so that banner is okay. So Pablo got the
    devil's words okay, all right?)

    My other concern is that the sword St. Michael holds is far too
    large for the sheathe he's sporting, so he isn't going to be able to
    put it away when he's done with it.  But the proportions of the
    sword in action are quite effective, and that's probably more
    important, so the graphic looks very impressive, and that's good.


    Pablo is trying but he's got some defective input to work with,
    apparently.

    Ask Hobbledehoy about this one, I'd say.  

    Hey!  Hobbles!!??




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    I believe this is an attack upon Padre Pfeiffer
    « Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 12:04:21 PM »
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  • Mi chamocha ba'eilim Adonai
    Mi kamocha nedar bakodesh
    Nora t'hilot osei feleh

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    I believe this is an attack upon Padre Pfeiffer
    « Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 06:50:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lampstand
    Mi chamocha ba'eilim Adonai
    Mi kamocha nedar bakodesh
    Nora t'hilot osei feleh


    "Who is like to Thee among the strong, O Lord?  Who is like to Thee, glorious in holiness, terrible and praiseworthy, doing wonders?"

    Exodus 15:11
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42


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    I believe this is an attack upon Padre Pfeiffer
    « Reply #8 on: January 29, 2013, 07:37:43 PM »
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  • His link shows a photo of +F ordaining a new priest, and on the priest's back is the coat of arms of Pope Benedict. Does this  have some kind of relevance?  :confused1:

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    « Reply #9 on: January 31, 2013, 01:56:05 AM »
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  • In Matthew's Gospel what are found are these:



    Dominum Deum tuum adorabis et Illi soli servies.
    (Mt. iv. 10)




    Translation (Our Lord referring to Deuteronomy vi. 13 for the devil
    at His temptation):

    "(Begone, satan, for it is written)

    The Lord thy God thou shalt adore, and Him only shalt thou serve."




    Quote from: Pablo


    As for the Saint Michael picture:

    sheath does not match sword. this is a sign the might of Saint Michael is far to great to be contained.


    Good point.

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    look at the angel in the tilma of Saint Juan Diego.

    an old face with a child's body.


    Noteworthy:  this aspect has been "covered up" over the centuries, as
    duplications of the Image tend to show the face of a child.  In fact,
    there have been several attempts to alter the Image, by adding things
    to it.  For example, someone painted a crown on her head about 200
    years ago, and since then, the painted-on crown has fallen to dust,
    leaving the Image without a crown, but, it seems this prideful act of man
    has permanently scarred the Image such that now we are no longer
    allowed to see the top of her head anymore, as if they are trying to hide
    the part that would remind us of man's folly.  I wouldn't be surprised if
    someone also tried to paint over the little angel to make his face look
    younger, and that that paint probably would have fallen to dust as well,
    leaving only a scarred face for all to see.  I've never heard this
    explained before, but it makes total sense now.  Thank you, Pablo.  
    Good job!

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    we must be as little children.

    the angel appears old as [he] existed from the beginning of time.

    Heaven does not respect our opinions or self righteousness or our 'rules'.

    *


    Scripture always refers to angels with masculine gender, not that they are
    male, but that the masculine gender is appropriate, and the neuter gender
    is inappropriate as is likewise the feminine gender.  Nor does an angel
    show his "age," regardless of how old he is.  But for the edification of man,
    it would be good for him to appear old like that especially with a youthful
    body.  


    Lest anyone accuse Our Lord of "misquoting Scripture" to the devil, keep in
    mind that if he could have used that tactic, the devil most certainly would
    have at the time.  Our Lord said that he would open His mouth an utter
    words that had been hidden from the foundations of the world.  This is an
    example, where Deut. vi. 13 is but a prophesy and imperfection of the
    commandment that Our Lord would give to the devil "in persona Christi,"
    when the devil would try to seduce Him.


    Deuteronomy cap. vi. has some things worth thinking about in this context
    of today and all the things going on.  Scripture helps to keep our minds on
    the big picture, because it's far too easy to get caught up in the here and
    now:  


    << Deuteronomy 6 >>
    Douay-Rheims Bible   

    1 These are the precepts, and ceremonies, and judgments, which the Lord your God commanded that I should teach you, and that you should do them in the land into which you pass over to possess it:

    2 That thou mayst fear the Lord thy God, and keep all his commandments and precepts, which I command thee, and thy sons, and thy grandsons, all the days of thy life, that thy days may be prolonged.

    3 Hear, O Israel, and observe to do the things which the Lord hath commanded thee, that it may be well with thee, and thou mayst be greatly multiplied, as the Lord the God of thy fathers hath promised thee a land flowing with milk and honey.

    4 Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.

    5 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole strength.

    6 And these words which I command thee this day, shall be in thy heart:

    7 And thou shalt tell them to thy children, and thou shalt meditate upon them sitting in thy house, and walking on thy journey, sleeping and rising.

    8 And thou shalt bind them as a sign on thy hand, and they shall be and shall move between thy eyes.

    9 And thou shalt write them in the entry, and on the doors of thy house.

    10 And when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land, for which he swore to thy fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: and shall have given thee great and goodly cities, which thou didst not build,

    11 Houses full of riches, which thou didst not set up, cisterns which thou didst not dig, vineyards and oliveyards, which thou didst not plant,

    12 And thou shalt have eaten and be full:

    13 Take heed diligently lest thou forget the Lord, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and shalt serve him only, and thou shalt swear by his name.

    14 You shall not go after the strange gods of all the nations, that are round about you:

    15 Because the Lord thy God is a jealous God in the midst of thee:
    lest at any time the wrath of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee, and take thee away from the face of the earth.

    16 Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God, as thou temptedst him in the place of temptation.

    17 Keep the precepts of the Lord thy God, and the testimonies and ceremonies which he hath commanded thee.

    18 And do that which is pleasing and good in the sight of the Lord, that it may be well with thee: and going in thou mayst possess the goodly land, concerning which the Lord swore to thy fathers,

    19 That he would destroy all thy enemies before thee, as he hath spoken.

    20 And when thy son shall ask thee to morrow, saying: What mean these testimonies, and ceremonies and judgments, which the Lord our God hath commanded us?

    21 Thou shalt say to him: We were bondmen of Pharao in Egypt, and the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a strong hand.

    22 And he wrought signs and wonders great and very grievous in Egypt against Pharao, and all his house, in our sight,

    23 And he brought us out from thence, that he might bring us in and give us the land, concerning which he swore to our fathers.

    24 And the Lord commanded that we should do all these ordinances, and should fear the Lord our God, that it might be well with us all the days of our life, as it is at this day.

    25 And he will be merciful to us, if we keep and do all his precepts before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.





    In His temptation Our Lord referred to this chapter twice;  where three verses
    later the words applied directly to the very situation He was in at the time,
    namely His temptation in the desert (Matt. iv. 7):  16 Thou shalt not tempt the
    Lord thy God, as thou temptedst him in the place of temptation (Deut. vi.).

    And again, in the passage referred to on the banner of the St. Michael image
    from Pablo, "Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and shalt serve him only, and
    thou shalt swear by his name" (v. 13).  At which time, He having said it, the
    devil left Him (Matt iv. 11).

    This chapter bears directly on the growth of Modernism in the Church, because
    it gives the answer that the Modernists would ignore, namely, when our son
    asks why, and what do these things mean, that is, the seminarians studying to
    become priests in their formation, it is given how to answer them here, in a
    word, this is the tradition handed down to us from the Apostles, "Tradidi quod
    et accepi",
    and which we pass on to you as we have received them, and as so
    you should pass them on likewise as you have received them, daring not to
    change them according to the winds of time and the cries of the world.

    It is good for us to recall God's promise to us, which endures to this day:

    19 That he would destroy all thy enemies before thee, as he hath spoken.

    For what is heresy but the false doctrines of the enemies of the Church,
    for by their falsehood they make themselves Her enemy.  And what is
    Modernism, the synthesis of all heresy, but the practice of the Church's
    enemies, those who have made themselves enemies by their falsehoods?

    ~ by going after the strange gods of all the nations, that are round about us

    ~ by abandoning the ceremonies that have been handed down from antiquity

    ~ by practicing no more the judgments we have received from the Fathers

    ~ by setting up a new body of doctrine, a "counter syllabus" of Vatican II

    ~ by not keeping the precepts and testimonies commanded by God

    ~ by daring even to quote Scripture as the devil did to Our Lord to tempt Him


    And therefore, as we endeavor to fear the Lord and keep His commandments,
    may we be worthy to receive His great mercy and the protection by strength
    of His arm (Lk. i. 51) as we recall:

    21 Thou shalt say to him: We were bondmen of Pharao in Egypt, and the Lord
    brought us out of Egypt with a strong hand.

    19 That he would destroy all thy enemies before thee, as he hath spoken.

    22 And he wrought signs and wonders great and very grievous in Egypt against Pharao, and all his house, in our sight,

    25 And he will be merciful to us, if we keep and do all his precepts before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.


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    « Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 02:55:42 AM »
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  • Deut. vi. and xi. have some real gems ...


    4 Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.

    5 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole
    soul, and with thy whole strength...

    ~Words the Lawyer quoted to Jesus answering the question, "What is the
    greatest commandment?" And Our Lord replied that this is correct. And the
    Church further clarifies:  "...and thy neighbor as thyself for the love of God."



    6 And these words which I command thee this day, shall be in thy heart:

    7 And thou shalt tell them to thy children, and thou shalt meditate upon them
    sitting in thy house, and walking on thy journey, sleeping and rising.

    ~Something that modern day "facilitators" have forgotten, and so-called
    Catholic politicians who assert they can confess one thing on Sunday and
    then go out and practice another thing during the week, "on the job."



    8 And thou shalt bind them as a sign on thy hand, and they shall be and shall
    move between thy eyes.

    ~This is the reason the rabbis wore tassels of tiny scrolls of Scripture dangling
    from their hat in front of their forehead, so that "the commandments of G_d
    shall move between thine eyes."



    9 And thou shalt write them in the entry, and on the doors of thy house.

    ~Which is actually the basis of the tradition of the Mezuzah (Deuteronomy
    6:4-9 and 11:13-21), which literally means "door posts."  This practice is
    carried on even to this day, for Jews nail or glue onto their entry door
    jamb a small scroll of parchment in an ornate case, and they ritually touch
    it whenever they enter or leave through the doorway.  Catholics actually
    have a practice that comes from this:  the sign of the cross using holy
    water kept at the doorway, especially in churches. (Except at "Mahony
    Square Garden," where you have to walk out of sight of visiting Jews to
    get the holy water to bless yourself.  Someone should be honest and
    quietly glue a Mezuzah on the doorway using very strong epoxy.  Actually,
    I wouldn't be surprised if one is hidden in the bronze sculpture somewhere
    on the door itself.)



    Deut. xiii. 11-21:

     13 If then you obey my commandments, which I command you this day, that you love the Lord your God, and serve him with all your heart, and with all your soul:

     14 He will give to your land the early rain and the latter rain, that you may gather in your corn, and your wine, and your oil,

     15 And your hay out of the fields to feed your cattle, and that you may eat and be filled.

    16 Beware lest perhaps your heart be deceived, and you depart from the Lord, and serve strange gods, and adore them:

    17 And the Lord being angry shut up heaven, that the rain come not down, nor the earth yield her fruit, and you perish quickly from the excellent land, which the Lord will give you.


    18 Lay up these my words in your hearts and minds, and hang them for a sign on your hands, and place them between your eyes.

    19 Teach your children that they meditate on them, when thou sittest in thy house, and when thou walkest on the way, and when thou liest down and risest up.

    20 Thou shalt write them upon the posts and the doors of thy house:

    21 That thy days may be multiplied, and the days of thy children in the land which the Lord swore to thy fathers, that he would give them as long as the heaven hangeth over the earth.






    Is it merely coincidence that ---------
    verse 16 seems to apply to Benedict the sixteenth?

    16 Beware lest perhaps your heart be deceived, and you depart from the Lord, and serve strange gods, and adore them:

    17 And the Lord being angry shut up heaven, that the rain come not down, nor the earth yield her fruit, and you perish quickly from the excellent land, which the Lord will give you.





    And to think:  he is the first pope in history to enter officially
    into the Synagogue, and he does it EVERY YEAR.  Does he
    touch the Mezuzah on the doorpost that contains these very
    words that would warn him in person, from antiquity?  

    Does he keep this commandment of God before his eyes at all
    times, when he rises up and lies down, when he sits on his
    papal throne, when he walks in the way of false ecumenism,
    religious liberty and collegiality?  


    OR,,,,,,,,,, does he merely go through the motion of touching
    the Mezuzah on the door post when he enters the synagogue?








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