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Offline Matthew

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« on: July 12, 2015, 11:32:12 AM »
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  • http://www.our |ady of mount carmel.com/sheep-stealing-summary/

    I will let their own words rebuke them:

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    We have a special duty to everyone even in our thoughts. Rash judgments and suspicion, envy and ill-will against one’s neighbor, have no place in the deliberate thoughts of the true Catholic. Nearly all avoidance of evil and all practice of virtue must begin in our thoughts. If we deliberately allow ourselves to think evil, we shall soon find ourselves speaking evil and doing evil. Even in our thoughts and imagination we must apply the principles and ideals which we wish to be dominant in our daily life.

    The faults of the tongue are innumerable, and it is noteworthy that even in people who are otherwise quite virtuous one often finds an uncharitable tongue. There is a wide field here for the practice of virtue and quest of holiness. So much so that the Holy Spirit tells us by pen of St. James: ‘If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man’ (James 3:2). Let us remember that every word we utter or every insinuation we make to the detriment of our neighbor is an injury done to Christ. There are occasions when one must speak unpleasant truths about one’s neighbor – for example, in a law court, or to avoid greater evil – but, normally, we are not allowed to speak evil of him, even when what we say is true.

    A Catholic does his best to hide the faults of others, and will not listen to detraction. If detraction is wrong, calumny is still worse. And even quite good people do not seem to realize the responsibility they have for every single word they say about anyone else. Our neighbors honour and good name, his professional reputation and his personal character, should be as safe in our mouth as in our Lord’s. And it must be remembered that this is true even though we know that his private behavior does not justify his public reputation. There are, however, circumstances in which we may have to give someone a charitable warning. But all tale-bearing and mischief-making, all imprudent revelations of another’s secret, all sowing of discord or exciting of suspicion are quite wrong, and are altogether incompatible with a true life in Christ. Not only do we separate ourselves from Him in the doing of these injuries, but we widen the breach inasmuch as these injuries are done to Him. We make public the very sins of which He has taken the shame upon Himself.

    The really spiritual man is known by the kindness of his speech and still more by the kindness of his silence. He is always ready to find pity and sympathy for everyone. ‘To understand all is to forgive all’, and no man who knows his own weakness and his complete dependence upon God’s grace in the avoiding of sin, can ever be harsh with the faults of his neighbor. Even as human beings we should have a ‘fellow-feeling’ for one another, but as Catholics and members of His Church, our mutual sympathy should be much deeper.

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    Hey, maybe you could take down that calumny and slander against Fr. Zendejas, since it's been live on your website since November 1, 2014?

    Are you telling me there is NO WAY you could interpret his actions in a charitable or favorable light? Give me a break! I'm here to tell you there IS a way, and it doesn't require that one be brain damaged.

    I stand here an intelligent Catholic who is looking for the truth, and I think Fr. Zendejas is a upright, holy, and excellent priest. So if one intelligent man can interpret his actions favorably, I'm sure you can do it as well.

    Those charges you give (above) which appear to be the most clear-cut evil are actually LIES.
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    « Reply #1 on: July 12, 2015, 12:28:40 PM »
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  • Went there. Definitely an incoherent hatchet job against this priest in a form and forum which allows him no means to defend his good name.

    This immediately brings forth two impressions.

    1)Who gave these folks the authority to make such public judgements and condemnations, based upon such a jumble of unsubstatiated claims??  They are not part of any organized entity which could delegate such authority.

    2) Would you send your son, daughter, or friend to these people for a spiritual retreat, and expose them to this kind of thinking and malice?

    3) (having been generated from #2)
    What kind of candidates for the priesthood do you think these folks will produce?


    PS  Are you seeing any flashing red lights yet? If not wake UP!


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    « Reply #2 on: July 12, 2015, 05:18:57 PM »
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  • Has Pablo resurrected these calumnies from last November and put them front and center once again?  Will the ones directed against Bishop Williamson be next.? Obviously, the recent movements in Texas and elsewhere have Pablo et al. shaking in their boots when they should be rejoicing at the expansion of the combat.  Viva Cristo Rey!  Viva Father Zendejas!  

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    « Reply #3 on: July 12, 2015, 07:03:39 PM »
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  • I will explain myself.

    Because of recent e-mails from Fr. Voigt, I was reminded of some of these slanders against Fr. Zendejas.

    I remembered how Fr. Voigt told me that he and Fr. Hewko didn't approve of using the official website for "stuff like that". I don't remember his exact words, but he certainly conveyed that he and Fr. Hewko didn't approve, and that he would "talk with Fr. Pfeiffer about it". Well, apparently nothing came of that.

    Fast forward to today -- now that it affects him (we had to bid him a fond farewell after we found a priest to offer us weekly Mass -- he thinks I shouldn't have this "power" to decide), he has totally changed his tune.

    It got me thinking about that post he objected to, and I did a quick google search. Voila -- It's still there! I was actually surprised; I thought they had taken all that crap down.

    Apparently not.

    So despite the fact that Fr. Pfeiffer wants the world to think he's on the same side as Bishop Williamson (his blogs proudly announce the confirmations in various chapels served by Fr. Pfeiffer), the slander against an approved priest of Bishop Williamson is still live on his main official website! Sure, it's not exactly on the front page (the post is from 11/1/14), but it's still live. A quick Google search can bring it up no problem.

    I'm sorry; I just hate lies and hypocrisy. It's a weak point of mine, and I'll admit that. I also have an emotional side (which is why I understand Fr. Pfeiffer so well!) which I'll also admit. Truth is truth.

    Nevertheless, my intellectual side says I should just let this die.

    But how can I just watch and recognize hypocrisy, and say NOTHING? It's very, very hard for me.
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    « Reply #4 on: July 12, 2015, 07:36:38 PM »
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  • He thinks you shouldn't have the power to decide which priest offers weekly Mass at your home?
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #5 on: July 12, 2015, 08:18:55 PM »
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    He thinks you shouldn't have the power to decide which priest offers weekly Mass at your home?


    Well, I know it sounds strange, but yes.

    He specifically mentioned "lay investiture" and said that was condemned by the church.

    Here is his exact quote:

    Quote from: Fr. Voigt
    I cannot support your program of resistance which can eliminate priest -  this is a protestant operation and it was condemned a long time ago and is known a "lay investiture".

    Yes, I'll be the first to condemn lay investiture. Here is the definition:

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    Lay investiture was the term used for investiture of clerics by the king or emperor, a layman. The right of a temporal prince to give spiritual power was claimed only by the extremists of the imperial party, but there was wide debate over canonical election, royal assent, and papal assent.


    And Fr. Voigt thinks my dismissing him from the chapel on our property here, in favor of another priest offering us weekly Mass, is an example of this.

    If that is an example of his applied theology, it is very disturbing.
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    « Reply #6 on: July 12, 2015, 08:34:14 PM »
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  • Wow that is disheartening.  He seems a bit misguided.  Has he read all that the Soicety (and especially the Archbishop) have said about supplied jurisdiction?  Or does he think that your chapel is diocesan?

    Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre


    the jurisdiction... is not territorial but personal, as becomes also the jurisdiction of the priests.



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    « Reply #7 on: July 12, 2015, 09:13:49 PM »
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    Wow that is disheartening.  He seems a bit misguided.  Has he read all that the Soicety (and especially the Archbishop) have said about supplied jurisdiction?  Or does he think that your chapel is diocesan?

    Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre

    the jurisdiction... is not territorial but personal, as becomes also the jurisdiction of the priests.




    Your thinking is correct -- "lay investiture" would only apply if Fr. Pfeiffer were the Ordinary who SHOULD have jurisdiction over the chapel in question -- the cleric who should get to make the decision.

    But any sane Catholic knows that's not the case. Fr. Pfeiffer (or any other trad priest) has ZERO jurisdiction, properly speaking. The only way to get jurisdiction is to get it from Rome. Anything else is operating under supplied jurisdiction.

    Supplied jurisdiction comes from the needs of the Faithful, who are free to adhere to any priest or bishop they feel will help them preserve their faith during this Crisis. A group of 20 faithful approach Fr. Smith, begging him to say Mass for their group. He agrees. The Church supplies the missing jurisdiction to Fr. Smith, even to hear confessions and witness marriages, because of the state of necessity (the Crisis in the Church). But if those 20 faithful decide to go with another priest 3 years later -- it's up to them.

    That's why the SSPX wanted to own all the buildings. That tends to discourage MOST people from leaving. But even then, the faithful are always free to leave, split, etc. and start over from scratch somewhere else, if they feel it is needed to preserve their Faith.

    The first priest working there for 3 years doesn't thereby "earn" a more permanent supplied jurisdiction, like some kind of supplied-tenure.

    Obviously the dictates of charity would require a group to consider a priest's material needs. If he took care of your souls for 3 years, you should really take his needs into consideration.

    But let's keep in mind that Fr. Voigt only said Mass here 7 or 8 times, once a month. It was a part-time job, as it were. And our goal was to find someone available "full time". I don't think it has gravely inconvenienced him or made it difficult for him to survive on account of our no longer having a need for his ministrations.

    Many places around the country will benefit by Fr. Voigt's consistency. He arranges his own schedule, and he's quite consistent and predictable. He gives you several weeks notice when the next Mass will be.
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    « Reply #8 on: July 12, 2015, 09:30:52 PM »
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  • I respect Father Pfeiffer and am grateful to him for offering the two Masses in New Jersey which were the only two resistance Masses close enough for me to attend. And I have a great deal of respect for Father Zendejas who used to be the pastor of the SSPX Chapel I attend and who is considered by all of the regulars who witnessed his presence at Mass to be the most holy priest that ever served at St. Christopher's mission. Indeed my best friend, even though he disagrees with Father Zendejas because he is a sedevacantist, credits the good priest with saving his dying mother's soul. I try to support both of them but I am scandalized to see the rift between them and to see both sides attacking each other, two priests who should be friends and not enemies. The internet battles on the forums are very upsetting to me.
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    « Reply #9 on: July 12, 2015, 09:39:04 PM »
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  • I believe there are holy Catholics who support Father Zendejas. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Father Pfeiffer. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Williamson. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Fellay. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Pivarunas. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Sandborn. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Dolan. Nothing about the traditional Catholic world troubles me more than when these people who should be allies attack each other even though it is all too common.
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    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2015, 09:40:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    I try to support both of them but I am scandalized to see the rift between them and to see both sides attacking each other, two priests who should be friends and not enemies. The internet battles on the forums are very upsetting to me.


    Actually, I do too.

    That doesn't mean I'm silent when one of them merits a public calling-out.

    "to see both sides attacking each other"

    Please don't misunderstand; I'm not Fr. Zendejas right-hand man or anything like that. In fact, any online fisticuffs are MY OWN doing, done on MY OWN initiative, and pretty much in opposition to his philosophy.

    Have you actually heard Fr. Zendejas say anything in sermons, video, text, ANYTHING against Fr. Pfeiffer? I'd love to see it; it would be a first. Like a pink unicorn. I'm always up for seeing new and fantastic things.

    And while we're on the topic, I want to make three things perfectly clear:

    1. I do not hate Fr. Pfeiffer (or any of the priests working with him).
    2. I would never advocate red-lighting any of their Masses
    3. I don't even hate Pablo, though I do discern a diabolical influence which raises red flags for me.
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    « Reply #11 on: July 12, 2015, 09:42:51 PM »
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    I believe there are holy Catholics who support Father Zendejas. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Father Pfeiffer. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Williamson. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Fellay. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Pivarunas. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Sandborn. I believe there are holy Catholics who support Bishop Dolan. Nothing about the traditional Catholic world troubles me more than when these people who should be allies attack each other even though it is all too common.


    On this topic, Bishop Williamson says, "When the Shepherd is struck, the sheep will be scattered. Pray!"
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    « Reply #12 on: July 12, 2015, 09:47:26 PM »
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    Have you actually heard Fr. Zendejas say anything in sermons, video, text, ANYTHING against Fr. Pfeiffer? I'd love to see it; it would be a first. Like a pink unicorn. I'm always up for seeing new and fantastic things.

    Since Father Zendejas does not have his sermons recorded at least up to now I have not seen his sermons online, so I have not seen him speak against Father Pfeiffer. I have a greater respect for Father Zendejas than I do for Father Pfeiffer, though I respect both. There are not any sermons of Father Zendejas on youtube so Father Pfeiffer is more well known on the internet. So I have seen more of Father Pfeiffer attacking Father Zendejas than the other way around. I just wish they would make up and stop fighting. I have a CD of a sermon of Father Zendejas from one of the Auriesville pilgrimages which I cherish that the Cathinfo poster Frances gave me.
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    « Reply #13 on: July 12, 2015, 10:12:53 PM »
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    Have you actually heard Fr. Zendejas say anything in sermons, video, text, ANYTHING against Fr. Pfeiffer? I'd love to see it; it would be a first. Like a pink unicorn. I'm always up for seeing new and fantastic things.

    Since Father Zendejas does not have his sermons recorded at least up to now I have not seen his sermons online,


    It's a shame his sermons aren't online, any particular reason?

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    « Reply #14 on: July 12, 2015, 10:42:59 PM »
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    It's a shame his sermons aren't online, any particular reason?

    It is a shame. I hope that soon his sermons are posted online. Even after about five years in tradition the best sermon I have ever heard was the first traditional Catholic sermon I heard from Father Zendejas when he told us about the martyrs of the Spanish civil war.
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