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Offline Catholicfromeurope

Re: +Huonder to Consecrate SSPX Holy Oils
« Reply #140 on: June 24, 2025, 08:13:22 AM »
I mean, if I go to a priest who was ordained BY SSPX BISHOP before 2023, may I be sure he is validly ordained?
That there were valid oils? I dont talk about NOM priests who came to SSPX, but I talk about priests prepared and ordained by SSPX bishops before 2023. I hope I explained it better now.
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Offline VivaJesus

Re: +Huonder to Consecrate SSPX Holy Oils
« Reply #141 on: June 24, 2025, 10:10:08 AM »
Quote from: Catholicfromeurope on June 24, 2025, 08:13:22 AM
I mean, if I go to a priest who was ordained BY SSPX BISHOP before 2023, may I be sure he is validly ordained?
That there were valid oils? I dont talk about NOM priests who came to SSPX, but I talk about priests prepared and ordained by SSPX bishops before 2023. I hope I explained it better now.
Using invalidly consecrated oils does not invalidate an ordination. It definitely renders it sacrilegious and, I guess, it may render sacrilegious all Masses celebrated by the validly ordained new priest with non-consecrated hands. Somebody else correct me if I'm wrong in this last point.

Invalidly consecrated oils would invalidate the sacrament of confirmation and extreme unction, but NOT ordinations.

EDIT: If you are concerned about one particular priest, ask him directly the details about his ordination. If he refuses to answer, ask his superior. If he refuses to answer, ask Cathinfo. In any case, pray.
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Offline Catholicfromeurope

Re: +Huonder to Consecrate SSPX Holy Oils
« Reply #142 on: June 24, 2025, 12:52:09 PM »
This priest was ordained by Bishop Mallerais in 2017...well I will ask him for details of his ordaining...
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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: +Huonder to Consecrate SSPX Holy Oils
« Reply #143 on: June 28, 2025, 10:23:58 AM »
And to compound matters, if there are four or five priests, and one is NO, if the NO priest consecrates the ciborium in the tabernacle - PROBLEM!!!  You could go the Mass of a true priest, but when retrieves the ciborium from the tabernacle you are getting potentially a piece of bread on your tongue.  Welcome to the NO Madness!

We had a priest in Louisville, he was ordained in 1943, but he said the true Mass.  One day he did just that, pulled the ciborium out of the tabernacle and the hosts had been consecrated by Fr. Bob the Novus Ordo presider.  If there are just a few people at Mass the priest might just consecrate a few hosts on his paten.  
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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: +Huonder to Consecrate SSPX Holy Oils
« Reply #144 on: June 28, 2025, 10:32:33 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 10, 2023, 07:45:53 AM
There would be no doubt regarding the validity of confirmations administered by a certainly validly ordained priest who received delegation from his bishop.

The salient point here is that the SSPX didn’t use +Lazo in such a capacity which would engender doubts, in light of his consecration in the new rite (as it is now using +Huonder).
When bishop Lazo visited St. Thomas Aquinas in 1997 I spoke to him personally.  He told me that he had read the Great Sacrilege and that is one of the books that converted him to tradition.  But Bp. Lazo was consecrated in 1970, so, once again, was he a valid bishop?  Fr. Wathen and some other priests gave a sermon on the Bishop Lazo Letter. Bishop Lazo slammed JP II pretty hard in the Bishop Lazo Letter.

I have the Bishop Lazo sermon by Fr. Wathen on my Rumble channel.  You can access it through the Brownson site. 
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