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Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2023, 03:49:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 14, 2023, 05:57:30 PM
    They don't want this side of +Huonder getting out.

    Just as in the case of +Lefebvre, they are now branding +Huonder (but where their branding sanitized all the anti-modernist combat out of +Lefebvre, here they're branding all the modernism out of +Huonder).

    The final product presented to the anesthetized masses will be that +Lefebvre and +Huonder are the same.

    "Because you have not loved the truth, I will send an operation of error, that you should believe lying..."
    Dear Sean,

         God bless you for your translation!  The video of Fr. Rousseau's conference is so important to see.  Even if you cannot understand his beautiful French, his sincerity and his accurate assessment of how grave this action by the FSSPX Superior General and his Co-Generals really is comes across without doubt.  We knew immediately what a Trojan Horse operation this was.  The parents in Wangs should be screaming to the world about the spiritual abuse brought upon their children by undermining the teaching of the true Faith along with "Doubtful-At-Best sacraments" administered by this man!
         The goal is not the destruction of the FSSPX.  The goal is the destruction of the line of Apostolic Succession so precious to Archbishop Lefebvre that he was willing to face excommunication to preserve the True Priesthood. 
       
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #16 on: May 16, 2023, 07:22:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on May 15, 2023, 03:49:11 PM
    Dear Sean,

        God bless you for your translation!  The video of Fr. Rousseau's conference is so important to see.  Even if you cannot understand his beautiful French, his sincerity and his accurate assessment of how grave this action by the FSSPX Superior General and his Co-Generals really is comes across without doubt.  We knew immediately what a Trojan Horse operation this was.  The parents in Wangs should be screaming to the world about the spiritual abuse brought upon their children by undermining the teaching of the true Faith along with "Doubtful-At-Best sacraments" administered by this man!
        The goal is not the destruction of the FSSPX.  The goal is the destruction of the line of Apostolic Succession so precious to Archbishop Lefebvre that he was willing to face excommunication to preserve the True Priesthood.
     
    Yes, indeed, thank you Sean for making all this available to us.
    Texana, where is the video of Fr Rousseau to which you refer?
    No doubt about it, the goal is nothing less than the destruction of the Church. The priests of the SSPX no longer believe their holy patron, St Pius X, that the enemy is no longer outside the Church, but now in the very bowels of the Church. Of course, this couldn't possibly mean in the SSPX!
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #17 on: May 16, 2023, 01:07:19 PM »
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    • Lettre of support from an Archbishop
    AVE MARIA
    Dear Father Rousseau,



    I thank you from the bottom of my heart for having continued to inform me and to share with me your work and your fight.

    I can only share and subscribe to each of your interventions, your analyses and your judgments.

    I also greatly appreciated the last "Letter" from Bishop Williamson.

    I encourage you to persevere in this fight without becoming discouraged in the face of the cowardice and blindness of those whom Our Lord would like to find at His side against the infernal offensive that is falling upon His Church.

    I accompany you with my prayer, and with great heart I bless you.


    + Carlo Maria Viganò
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #18 on: May 16, 2023, 01:24:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 16, 2023, 01:07:19 PM
    Lettre of support from an Archbishop
    AVE MARIA
    Dear Father Rousseau,



    I thank you from the bottom of my heart for having continued to inform me and to share with me your work and your fight.

    I can only share and subscribe to each of your interventions, your analyses and your judgments.

    I also greatly appreciated the last "Letter" from Bishop Williamson.

    I encourage you to persevere in this fight without becoming discouraged in the face of the cowardice and blindness of those whom Our Lord would like to find at His side against the infernal offensive that is falling upon His Church.

    I accompany you with my prayer, and with great heart I bless you.


    + Carlo Maria Viganò

    This is revealing of several things about +Vigano:

    1) He is in contact with several Resistance clergy (at least +Williamson, +Faure, and Fr. Rousseau);
    2) He is supportive of them;
    3) He personally aligns with the Resistance, and not with the SSPX;
    4) No wonder the SSPX considers him persona non grata;

    Question: Is this response from +Vigano to Fr. Rousseau specific to this "Fox in the Henhouse" series (in which Fr. Rousseau is questioning the validity of bishops -like +Vigano himself- who have been consecrated in the new Rite), or is it simply a general response/encouragement?
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #19 on: May 16, 2023, 01:49:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on May 16, 2023, 07:22:51 AM
    Texana, where is the video of Fr Rousseau to which you refer?
    This must be the video 
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #20 on: May 16, 2023, 02:14:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on May 16, 2023, 07:22:51 AM
    Yes, indeed, thank you Sean for making all this available to us.
    Texana, where is the video of Fr Rousseau to which you refer?
    No doubt about it, the goal is nothing less than the destruction of the Church. The priests of the SSPX no longer believe their holy patron, St Pius X, that the enemy is no longer outside the Church, but now in the very bowels of the Church. Of course, this couldn't possibly mean in the SSPX!
    The video is on Fr. Rousseau's website:  https://en.saintjoseph-tradition.org/mgr-v-huonder

    The younger priests and, evidently, many of the older priests and bishops do not know that they have been given the full power of the Priesthood because of the line of Apostolic Succession from Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer to them by their ordinations/consecrations.  Because of that reality, the FSSPX has always been and will always be under fierce attack until the last true priest is gone.  God bless Bishop Williamson for continuing the line of Succession by consecrating true bishops!
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #21 on: May 16, 2023, 07:14:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Confiteor Deo on May 16, 2023, 01:49:27 PM
    This must be the video
    Ha ha. Thank you. I looked at the image quickly and imagined it was more from the modernists which I'm not always up to...
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #22 on: May 16, 2023, 07:19:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on May 16, 2023, 02:14:18 PM
    The video is on Fr. Rousseau's website:  https://en.saintjoseph-tradition.org/mgr-v-huonder

    The younger priests and, evidently, many of the older priests and bishops do not know that they have been given the full power of the Priesthood because of the line of Apostolic Succession from Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer to them by their ordinations/consecrations.  Because of that reality, the FSSPX has always been and will always be under fierce attack until the last true priest is gone.  God bless Bishop Williamson for continuing the line of Succession by consecrating true bishops!
    Thanks Texana. Yes, no doubt about it, BW is a great gift of God. Who would have thought that the other three consecrated by ABL would fail us in the end... still, we owe them much for the good they did for so many years. Let us pray that God reward them.
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #23 on: May 16, 2023, 07:30:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 16, 2023, 01:07:19 PM
    Lettre of support from an Archbishop
    AVE MARIA
    Dear Father Rousseau,



    I thank you from the bottom of my heart for having continued to inform me and to share with me your work and your fight.

    I can only share and subscribe to each of your interventions, your analyses and your judgments.

    I also greatly appreciated the last "Letter" from Bishop Williamson.

    I encourage you to persevere in this fight without becoming discouraged in the face of the cowardice and blindness of those whom Our Lord would like to find at His side against the infernal offensive that is falling upon His Church.

    I accompany you with my prayer, and with great heart I bless you.


    + Carlo Maria Viganò
    Isn't God good to give us these little consolations when everything around us seems to be falling apart?
    The SSPX remain silent, and God simply works a miracle conversion of a Conciliar prelate to speak like a new Archbishop Lefebvre and guide us as a good shepherd in the midst of wolves.
    Where is the choice? Bishop Huonder to 'reunite' us with the wolves. Or Archbishop Vigano to protect us from the wolves?
    It would be great to see ABV conditionally reconsecrated and start to take an active part in the apostolate. But I guess he must know that the mafia would make such an appearance all too brief.
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #24 on: May 16, 2023, 08:18:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on May 16, 2023, 07:30:01 PM
    It would be great to see ABV conditionally reconsecrated…

    I’m starting to wonder if that hasn’t also happened, “in pectore.”

    +Vigano tells Fr. Rousseau that he agrees with all his interventions, but these are all centered upon Rousseau’s doubt regarding the validity of Huonder’s episcopacy.

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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #25 on: May 17, 2023, 05:08:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 16, 2023, 08:18:39 PM
    I’m starting to wonder if that hasn’t also happened, “in pectore.”

    +Vigano tells Fr. Rousseau that he agrees with all his interventions, but these are all centered upon Rousseau’s doubt regarding the validity of Huonder’s episcopacy.

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    Dear Sean,  Do you remember Patriarch Elijah of the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate declaring "Habemus Papam" on Oct. 14, 2019?  Archbishop Carol Maria Vigano was elected as the "rightful Pope".  https://bcp-video.org/habemus-papam-3/ 
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #26 on: May 18, 2023, 08:46:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on May 17, 2023, 05:08:28 PM
    Dear Sean,  Do you remember Patriarch Elijah of the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate declaring "Habemus Papam" on Oct. 14, 2019?  Archbishop Carol Maria Vigano was elected as the "rightful Pope".  https://bcp-video.org/habemus-papam-3/

    Ha-ha, yes, I’d forgotten about that one!

    Note that in the letter to Fr. Rousseau above, +Vigano also approved of +Williamson’s latest EC. 

    That interesting to me, not just because it reveals that +Vigano is a regular reader of +Williamson, but also because the two primary themes of that EC are:

    1) +Williamson calling +Huonder and the NREC doubtful;

    2) +Williamson discussing the liberal slide of the SSPX, as evinced by the +Huonder episode.

    So, while the latter surely explains why the SSPX is silent on +Vigano (just as today, they would be silent on +Lefebvre), does not the former suggest +Vigano would logically be questioning the validity of his own episcopal consecration (or that he may have taken  action to rectify the matter)?

    Or it could simply mean he recognizes the issue, but being retired and no longer performing episcopal functions, the matter is moot?
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #27 on: May 18, 2023, 02:09:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 18, 2023, 08:46:59 AM
    Ha-ha, yes, I’d forgotten about that one!

    Note that in the letter to Fr. Rousseau above, +Vigano also approved of +Williamson’s latest EC. 

    That interesting to me, not just because it reveals that +Vigano is a regular reader of +Williamson, but also because the two primary themes of that EC are:

    1) +Williamson calling +Huonder and the NREC doubtful;

    2) +Williamson discussing the liberal slide of the SSPX, as evinced by the +Huonder episode.

    So, while the latter surely explains why the SSPX is silent on +Vigano (just as today, they would be silent on +Lefebvre), does not the former suggest +Vigano would logically be questioning the validity of his own episcopal consecration (or that he may have taken  action to rectify the matter)?

    Or it could simply mean he recognizes the issue, but being retired and no longer performing episcopal functions, the matter is moot?
    Dear Sean,  Your observations are very sharp.  The matter is far from moot--it is paramount! 

     If Archbishop Vigano claims that he wants to scrap Vatican II, why not scrap the most lethal blow to the rites of the Sacraments quietly enshrined following the Council? A doubtful consecration produces doubtful bishops, doubtful priests, doubtful oils, doubtful absolutions, doubtful confirmations, doubtful rites of extreme unction -- doubtful Eucharist!

    Would you want to be held responsible for all those souls who are affected at your Final Judgement before Our Lord? Did Archbishop Vigano confirm anyone, ordain any priest, consecrate any bishop, bless any Holy Oils before he retired?  The positive doubt about his consecration does not affect only Archbishop Vigano.

    SECRET conditional ordinations/consecrations are the ultimate betrayal of the faithful and Our Lord Jesus Christ.
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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #28 on: May 18, 2023, 04:20:41 PM »
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    • Thanks Sean for the translation and post.  In hindsight it would have been nice if Abp. Lefebvre had consecrated about ten bishops instead of four.  We might be in less of a quagmire had the Abp. done this.  He was a bit too trusting of modernist Rome in my opinion.  
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    « Reply #29 on: May 18, 2023, 04:38:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: OABrownson1876 on May 18, 2023, 04:20:41 PM
    Thanks Sean for the translation and post.  In hindsight it would have been nice if Abp. Lefebvre had consecrated about ten bishops instead of four.  We might be in less of a quagmire had the Abp. done this.  He was a bit too trusting of modernist Rome in my opinion. 

    +Lefebvre was once in Rome when, quite surprisingly, he chanced to bump into then-Superior General, Fr. Franz Schmidberger, and exclaimed, "You!"

    Another time, +Lefebvre and Fr. Schmidberger were in Rome together, to meet with Fr. Schmidberger's friend, Cardinal Ratzinger: Fr. Schmidberger and Cardinal Ratzinger spoke German together, while +Lefebvre looked on.  +Lefebvre did not speak German. 

    +Lefebvre had begun to distrust the Superior General, whom he had once sponsored, because of these things (i.e., Fr. Schmidberger was too eager for an agreement with modernist Rome), and worked to ensure he was not re-elected in 1994.  With the assistance of Fr. Faure, they achieved this objective, but the backup liberal candidate -Fr. Fellay- was elected in his place. 

    These long-forgotten and/or little-known tidbits of history show that the rot was in place even before +Lefebvre died, and was even discreetly working against him.

    The man he could count on most, was the one he submitted to Rome's approval for episcopal consecration in 1987: Fr. Richard Williamson.

    I have all of this in writing.

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