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+Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
« on: May 14, 2023, 09:23:57 AM »
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  • For those who do not know, Fr. Dominique Rousseau was an SSPX priest for 25 years, when in 2019 he joined the Resistance over the advent of +Huonder to the SSPX.

    He has a French-language website (https://en.saintjoseph-tradition.org/), from which the following article was taken (machine translation).  The original French 14 page docuмent has been attached to this post below.

    I am publishing it in rapid installments to improve the DeepL translation a bit.





    The Fox in the Henhouse



    The recent ceremony (Holy Thursday) at the Seminary of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) received very little media coverage.

    What is it all about?

    Bishop Vitus Huonder, former bishop of Chur (Switzerland), has retired in the school of Wangs (SSPX) in May 2019.

    It was [then] announced that this prelate would not would not perform any ministry.

    The facts prove otherwise. The file that you will read in this [dossier] will give you the dates [and] ceremonies, the last one being of the consecration of the holy oils on Holy Thursday.

    No ministry?

    Come on: If the consecration of the Holy Oils is not an episcopal ministry, the dictonary should be revised, at least...

    Subsequently, a filmed testimony of Mgr. Huonder was relayed on Youtube Certamen (a German-language media), and on the official website of the Society of Saint Pius X.

    Our study is in several parts: The consecration of the oils, and the doubts about the consecrated person, then the analysis of the "testimony."

    Fr. Dominique Rousseau
    May 2023


    Summary :
    - Bishop Huonder, continued
    or... a pontifical mass for the consecration of the Holy Oils
    - In answer to some priest confreres
    - He judged suitable...
    - In prayer and silence...
    - The safety of the sacraments
    - The docuмents of the Council
    - The New Mass and the Second Vatican Council
    - I accept my mandate of 2015
    or... the story of the fox in the henhouse
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #1 on: May 14, 2023, 09:40:39 AM »
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  • Bishop Huonder, continued

    Or... a pontifical Mass for the consecra0on of the Holy Oils


    The fact passed, almost unnoticed. But not quite, however.

    On Holy Thursday, April 6, 2023, in the German Seminary of the SSPX in Zaitzkofen, the Mass of consecration of the Holy Oils was not celebrated by a bishop of the Society of Saint Pius X.

    By whom, then?

    By a prelate who had been announced at the time, that is, in May 2019, as coming to retire in a Swiss school of the SSPX, in Wangs.

    This is Bishop Vitus Huonder, former bishop of Chur in German-speaking Switzerland (see the screenshot [in the original file attached in the OP]).

    The website of the Seminary announces that on April 6, 2023, this bishop, ordained a priest in 1971 in the changed rite of Paul VI and consecrated bishop in 2007 still in this new rite, who celebrated this capital ceremony in the Church: The consecration of the Holy Oils is a major event in fact, because the sacraments are conferred for the most part by this material aspect that are the Holy Oils (baptism, confirmation, [holy] orders, extreme-unction).

    The question that legitimately arises is the following: Is this priest a bishop? The question has not been resolved by the Society, no public declaration has been made on the subject since 2019.

    The question is important and should not be left unresolved. The Church teaches that one must be "tutioristic" in the matter of the sacraments, i.e. "tutiorist", that is, one must be certain that the sacrament is given, or not. Uncertainty cannot remain: Am I a priest or not? Am I confirmed or not? Let us not forget, for the record, that Archbishop Lefebvre believed that all sacraments (since Paul VI) were doubtful. The accusation is serious and we received this formation at Ecône, supported by proofs of dogmatic theology. Now it seems that this teaching has been put aside, even abandoned.

    In this case, the minister (Mgr Huonder) is doubtful and the Holy Oils consecrated this Holy Thursday by him are also doubtful. 

    Moreover, this prelate was to retire and not to perform any ministry: This had been clearly established in a communiqué of May 20, 2019. But we already knew on that date that the communiqué was false because this bishop was confessing, catechizing and preaching in the school in Wangs.

    Now the deception is notorious. After having celebrated the Pontifical Mass of Pentecost in this same seminary, in 2021, he [now] consecrates the Holy Oils. When will the next step be taken?  Ordinations, even consecrations in and for the Society of St. Pius X? It is only a question of of time.

    The process is well established: it is the famous common principle between Bishop Fellay and Bishop Pozzo, of September 2014: Agreements between Rome and the Society are made "in stages." The change of Superior General in the SSPX has not changed the line of conduct. Do we need other proof?

    We denounce this process. Who of the still lucid priests in the Society will react to this ceremony of this Holy Thursday 2023?

    On Good Friday we adore the Cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ. It is the the Hour of the Passion, it is the Hour of darkness, of confusion and of liberalism that is spreading throughout the world. Clerics are not spared. "I will strike the Shepherd and the sheep (Zechariah 13:7).

    Good Friday, April 7, 2023
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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  • (Continued)

    In response to some fellow priests
    Subject: Affair of the Holy Oils consecrated in Zaitzkofen by Mgr Huonder, on Holy Thursday 2023

    I had sent to some confreres of the Society of Saint Pius X, during the Easter celebrations, the text I wrote on Good Friday about the consecration of the Holy Oils by Bishop Huonder.

    These confreres are absolutely resistant to any canonical recognition with Rome, given the current state of affairs. They even say that in the SSPX there are two fraternities.
    That is how sharp their insight is, at least for the moment. The rest of my remarks will attenuate the scope...

    The response of these priests, however, leads me to believe that the time has not come to count on their courage to fight back, even from within the Society to which they belong, against the current that will one day carry them away in the "boiled frog" syndrome. 

    Here are their answers:
    "Thank you for your text. I remain convinced that it is delicate to react to something that is so far away geographically, even if it shows the dishonesty of the superiors. "You are well aware of how our colleagues operate and the contempt that quickly surrounds opinions that are outside the norm. This means that, rightly or wrongly, remarks about Bishop Huonder are not [well-] received. It's a tricky subject! It would be more judicious to insist on priestly sanctity, the interior life, and to warn against Americanism and all its derivatives which are so dreadful today. In union of prayers."

    Father Pagliarani has perfectly succeeded in the task that Bishop Fellay was unable to accomplish: To put valiant priests to sleep, under the false pretence of piety, only. Time is undoubtedly for piety, the life of faith, that is undeniable. But we must not omit the life of combat.

    The battle is raging and I advise my confreres to reread Don Sarda's masterpiece Liberalism is a Sin or, shorter and well-struck, these vibrant sentences of that great author Ernest Hello (Man, Charity):

    "You who love the Lord, hate evil" (Ps. 97, 10)

    "See a mother: I suppose she is good and intelligent. She fears for her son a certain relationship that she would like to break, an approach that makes her tremble. And yet the man before whom she feels the uneasiness of fear seems to be her son's friend. Nothing justifies in appearance this wordless aversion which looks like a capricious antipathy that threatens and does not explain itself. In general, when this happens, the moment is not that justifies the terror. The child was threatened. The mother felt it without knowing it, and the horror of something absolutely unknown was born in her. This horror was born without knowledge; it was born full of light and empty of knowledge. From what horror of evil was it born from? It was born of love."

    Think, dear friends, dear colleagues... time is running out and soon you will not be able to to think. Already your will is atrophied, numb. For lack of vigor, you are putting your followers to sleep, your faithful. Let us all invoke the Holy Spirit for you, Pentecost is fast approaching.
    Please, wake up!
    April 21, 2023
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • (Continued)



    He deemed it appropriate...

    "The Superior General has judged it appropriate to invite Bishop Huonder to celebrate a Chrism Mass for the first time at the seminary in Zaitzkofen. Thus, four Masses will be celebrated will be celebrated this year in our seminaries: in Dillwyn by Bishop de Galarreta Galarreta, in Ecône by Bishop Fellay, and in La Reja by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais.
    -Letter from the Secretary General of the Society of St. Pius X, April 6, 2023, sent to the districts of the SSPX.

    It took just four years for Bishop Huonder, former bishop of Chur (Switzerland), retired in an SSPX house in German-speaking Switzerland, [to perform a] pontifical act of great significance: The the consecration of the Holy Oils last Holy Thursday.

    But no, they said in high places: "Don't worry, he's retired and won't be doing any ministry ministry - that is, especially not an episcopal ministry."

    It was only a matter of time. And there had to be a trial balloon. There were a few, but they were deemed of little consequence: Catechism, confessions, preaching here and there. Nothing very extraordinary, although it was already ministry.

    However, the step was taken on Holy Thursday by this ceremony so important in the life of the Church: The Chrism Mass.

    Through the voice of its Superior General - much more clever than his predecessor, Bishop Fellay - the Fraternity of St. Pius X in its command, has failed in its commitment: Bishop Huonder has Huonder has accomplished an episcopal act.

    Ordained a priest in the new rite, there is a doubt about the validity of his priestly ordination. This doubt has not been resolved by the SSPX, and moreover it no longer conditionally ordains (as Archbishop Lefebvre did in his time). It would be, according to a Superior of one of the of the Eastern countries, an act of sacrilege to conditionally ordain

    The shift in doctrine and sacramental practice has been rapid...!

    What will be the reaction of the clergy to this act, which is certainly a signal for other acts that will come in the near future (ordinations, consecrations...)?  For the moment, the silence of the tenors of yesteryear, perhaps embarrassed, but terribly silent...

    April 23, 2023, on the feast of Saint George
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Huonder: The Fox in the Henhouse
    « Reply #4 on: May 14, 2023, 10:26:37 AM »
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  • Thank you so much for sharing this, Sean!  

    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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  • There's no doubt but that Huonder is an infiltrator.  Bergoglio has been very open about his contempt for Traditional Catholicism, calling Traditional Catholics every name in the book, and open about his contempt for the Tridentine Mass.  So why else would Bergoglio give his blessing for Huonder to be there?  Even Ratzinger admitted that his goal was to re-absorb SSPX, so why would Bergoglio be any different?  In fact, Bergoglio probably wants to take it a step further, not only to re-absorb but to destroy.

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  • (Continued)



    "In prayer and silence..."
    It was with these words that, on May 20, 2019, the priests of the Society of St. Pius X learned of the arrival of a retired bishop, Bishop Huonder, within the walls of a house of the Fraternity.

    Another word was written: "Working for Tradition".

    These expressions signify a reality.

    Let us respond once again to the first expression: "Prayer and silence".

    There is nothing to say about the first word, and no one doubts that Bishop Huonder does not pray and celebrate, in the house where he now lives, the Tridentine Mass.

    As for the silence? As soon as he arrived in Wangs, a school for boys, he preached, confessed and taught catechism. Moreover, on Pentecost 2021, he celebrated a pontifical Mass at the German seminary of the Fraternity. Recently, at the same seminary, on Holy Thursday, he consecrated the Holy Oils and then celebrated the Pontifical Easter Mass. We have already written about this subject and there is no need to return to it today. These different ministries invalidate the written commitment on May 20 2019, of silence... 

    Let's move on to the second point, that of Tradition. 

    In a statement in the form of a video, in this month of April 2023, Bishop Huonder addresses several topics under a general umbrella:

    "The Great Wound" ( hNps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly0loNqs6q).

    The Prelate paints a quick picture of the popes who have passed through his life, from Pius XII to Francis.  It must be admitted that he is rather severe on Paul VI and John Paul II. The Second Vatican Council was a "great ordeal for the Church," the prelate laments.  As for Francis, he says that his pontificate is one of rupture, because it does not cease to [attack] Tradition, and the faithful who are attached to it, but he affirms that the same Pope confided to him that "the Society of St. Pius X is not schismatic".

    He has no negative comments about Benedict XVI. What is the cause of this?

    It is to be sought on the side of the particularity that he rejects from the pontificate of this pope: the hermeneutic of continuity. In the communiqué of the Society of St. Pius X and of Bishop Huonder (20/05/2019), we read the word "Tradition". We, traditional Catholics based on twenty centuries of Christianity, have a notion of perennity, according to the well-known formula of Saint Vincent de Lérins: "Quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus creditum est - We must take great care to hold as true what has been that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all. But for the moderns, the modernists, the meaning is different: Tradition is evolving.

    Mgr Huonder has a very modernist past (of which he does not speak for a moment), notably when he was bishop of Chur. He insisted, for example, on the Dies judaïcus (March 20, 2011): "If the first of the Dies judaïcus is to look back to the past, considering the people of the twelve tribes and the origin of the Christian faith, the actual reality of solidarity with the Jєωιѕн people is to remind us of the permanent the Church's permanent, ever-present responsibility to the Jєωιѕн people."

    In this idea of the hermeneutical of continuity, it is a question of combining the old and the new without finding any contradiction. The well-known example is that of Benedict XVI who, on July 7, 2007, issued a motu proprio to authorize the Tridentine Mass (Extraordinary Rite), while keeping the New Mass (Ordinary Rite) as the norm. 

    Bishop Huonder is in this line, and when he quotes Archbishop Lefebvre at the end of his filmed monologue, he does note the Archbishop's short interview with John Paul II on November 18, 1978. Archbishop Lefebvre said that he was receiving the Second Vatican Council in the light of the Tradition. What Huonder fails to mention is that Archbishop Lefebvre later clearly stated that the Council should be rejected, quite simply.

    The following quotation will be our conclusion. It is masterly and solemn:

    "(...) We adhere with all our heart and soul to Catholic Rome, guardian of the Catholic faith and of the traditions necessary for the maintenance of this faith, to the eternal Rome, teacher of wisdom and truth.

    On the other hand, we refuse and have always refused to follow the neo-modernist and neo-Protestant Rome and neo-Protestant tendency which was clearly manifested in the Second Vatican Council and after the Council in all the reforms that came out of it.

    All these reforms, in fact, have contributed and still contribute to the demolition of the Church, to the ruin of the Priesthood, to the annihilation of the Sacrifice and the Sacraments, to the disappearance of religious life, to a naturalistic religious life, to a naturalistic and Teilhardian teaching in the universities, the seminaries, the catechesis,  stemming from Liberalism and Protestantism condemned many times by the solemn (...) ".

    -Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, November 21, 1974

    April 28, 2023, on the feast of Saint Louis-Marie de Monyort
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • (Continued)

    The security of the sacraments
    The spiritual life, the life of souls, is of such importance that the Holy Church has established for the sacraments a capital principle. It is necessary to be a "tutiorist", which means, in terms more accessible to the faithful who have not taken a theology course, that one must go to the surest, and not be in doubt about the validity of the sacraments received: Matter and form are essential.

    The Second Vatican Council modified everything in the liturgy (Constituton Sacrosanctum Concilium - December 4 1963), and the rite of priestly ordination has not been spared (no. 76).

    On the subject of the new ordinations, Archbishop Lefebvre wrote to a correspondent (October 20, 1988): "(...) I agree with your desire that these priests be conditionally ordained, and I have made such ordinations many times" (no. 76). All the sacraments of modernist bishops and priests are now doubtful. The changes are multiplying and their intentions are no longer Catholic. We are in the time of the great apostasy (...)".

    "All the sacraments of the modernist bishops and priests are now doubtful." This is Archbishop Lefebvre's judgment. It seems that his teaching has been forgotten. Indeed, in 2023, Archbishop Huonder (on retreat in a school of the Society of St. Pius X in Wangs, Switzerland) consecrated the Holy Oils at the Seminary of Zaitzkofen. This bishop has never made any retraction of his most modernist past (see Salt of the Earth no. 109, p. 188 ff.). Sacraments (in particular Confirmation and Extreme Unction) given from the Oils consecrated by this bishop will be doubtful. This prelate was in fact ordained a priest in 1971, then a bishop in 2007, under the the reformed rites of Paul VI.

    To those who object that there is a precedent with the reception of Bishop Lazo in the Philippines in 1998, we must [remember] this bishop wrote a remarkable letter to John Paul II denouncing modernism (cf. Salt of the Earth no. 26 p. 162), and it should be noted that this bishop did not perform any episcopal ministry  for the Fraternity. [This last claim is erroneous.  Lazo performed confirmations, per +de Mallerais, on the basis of the stte of necessity, which per the recent Fr. Arrizaga confirmations thread, would be very doubtful for lack of papal delegatoin -SJ]

    The opposite is true of Bishop Huonder: he has never recanted and he is now carrying out an episcopal ministry for the Society. The Trojan horse is at work. The episcopal apostolate of this bishop will not end here. Let's see the rest. It will come: priestly ordination, for example.

    The times in which we live are confusing. It is safer to receive the sacraments through priests who are faithful in every way to the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre. Let us support in particular the priestly work of Jean-Michel Faure and let us pray for vocations!

    (Excerpts from Scutum fidei n° 15 - May-June 2023)

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    The Conciliar Docuмents
    In the first part of Archbishop Huonder's trilogy ("The Great Wound"), at the end of the first part, he quotes Archbishop Lefebvre addressing Pope John Paul II (November 18, 1978): "With regard to the Council, I told the Pope that I had proposed a formula like this: 'I accept the docuмents of the Council interpreted in the light of Tradition.  He found it fully satisfactory and natural.

    On reading this quotation, given what is known about what followed this meeting with the Pope and Archbishop Lefebvre, one wonders whether the Council's docuмents were not accepted.  A question arises: Is it a definitive judgment by Archbishop Lefebvre, as Bishop Huonder implies, on the Council on the Council and its docuмents?

    The answer will consist in opening public docuмents, especially those surrounding the consecrations of 1988, a capital event in the life of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the high point of his life as a bishop and the "opus" of his of his life as a bishop and "Operation Survival of Tradition," as he himself put it in the sermon of the episcopal consecration.

    What Archbishop Huonder does not say is this: if it is true that Archbishop Lefebvre said this with John Paul II, who had just been elected pope, the following events have proven that the Archbishop went back on this ambiguous phrase. The proof of this is the press conference, for example, on June 15, 1988, a few days before the consecration of the bishops (June 30).

    Here is the passage from the interview with 30 Days (June 1989) on the subject of the Council and its
    reception:

    "In one of his first speeches the new Pope had said that the Council would be interpreted in the light of the Tradition and the constant magisterium of the Church. A statement that gave me great hope. Then I was received by John Paul II and we spoke one-on-one for thirty minutes. He was in favor of granting us the faculty to celebrate the Mass of St. Pius V and said he was ready to recognize a juridical status for the Society. I therefore declared that I accepted the teaching of the Second Vatican Council in the light of Tradtion. A solution did indeed seem close and possible. But then Cardinal Seper, then prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, joined us in the pontifical apartment. He told the Pope that it would be a grave error to grant us the right to celebrate the 'old' Mass, because we would be using it as a flag to illegitimize the entire Council. John Paul II insisted that together, and through dialogue, we find an agreement. And so began long and exhausting negotiations, especially by letter, with the Roman dicasteries. But I realized that the other side was still distrustful. Then my illusions about the pontificate fell with time. And today I am convinced that no agreement is possible as long as the modernists continue to occupy all the key positions in the Church."

    There are many docuмents in which the Archbishop denounces the Vatican II. Here is the list, not exhaustive, for we do not include here the conferences, homilies, and lectures of Archbishop Lefebvre on the subject. Here are some of the main works:

    I Accuse the Council (1976); two volumes;
    They Have Uncrowned Him (1987);
    Doubts Abour Religious Liberty (1987).

    A few days before the consecrations of June 30, 1988, Archbishop Lefebvre had unambiguously denounced the Council. It was on June 15, in fact, that he convened the press of the world in Ecône and that he gave a conference. It is important that our readers - and that Bishop Huonder - take note of what the Archbishop solemnly declared.

    Here are two extracts, let us read them with attention:

    "(...) At the Council, I and a number of bishops read against modernism and against the errors that we considered inadmissible and incompatible with the Catholic faith. The basic problem is this. It is a formal, deep, radical opposition to the modern and modernist ideas that have passed through the Council. You will say to me, but what do you mean by this? Well, I'm going to quote some of the subjects of this modernism. They are, for example, the acceptance of the Rights of Man of 1789. It is the common right in the civil society of all religions, that is to say the principle of the secularity of the State.

    It is the ecuмenism or the associaHon of all religions. It is Assisi, it is Kyoto, it is visits to the ѕуηαgσgυє, to the Protestant Temple; and in the Church it is collegiality, with synods, episcopal conferences, changes in the liturgy, changes in catechesis, the increase in the number of catechesis, the increase in the participaioon of the laity and of women in the religious religious fields. You have spoken about it in your newspapers, you know these things well since all this appeared on the occasion of the synods in Rome. It is the negation of the Church's past.  There is a struggle going on in the Church to eradicate the past, the tradtion of the Church. This continual persecution against those who want to remain Catholic, as were the popes before Vatican II. This is our position. We continue what the popes taught and did before VaHcan II. We oppose what Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, and John Paul II have done now, because they have made a break with their predecessors. We prefer the Church's tradition to the work of a few popes who oppose their predecessors. (...)

    (...) But precisely, we are not in the same truth. For them the truth is evolutionary, the truth changes with time, and Traditionon: it is Vatican II today. For us Traditionon is what the Church has taught from the apostles until today. For them, no, Tradtion is Vatican II, which summarizes in itself all that has been said before. The historical circuмstances are such that now we must believe what Vatican II did. This is what happened before, it doesn't exist anymore. It belongs to the past time. That is why the Cardinal does not hesitate to say, "The Second Vatican Council is an anti-Syllabus. One wonders how a cardinal of the Holy Church can say that the Council of Vatican II is an anti-Syllabus, a very official act of Pope Pius IX in the encyclical Quanta Cura. This is unimaginable.

    I once said to Cardinal Ratzinger: "Eminence, we have to choose: either religious freedom as it is in the Council, or the Syllabus of Pius IX. They are contradictory and we must choose. Then he said to me: "But Monsignor, we are no longer the time of the Syllabus." Ah! I said, "then the truth changes with time. So what you are telling me today, tomorrow it will no longer be true. There is no way to agree anymore, we are in a continual evolution. It becomes impossible to talk.

    They have this in mind. He repeated to me: "There is only one Church now, it is the Church of Vatican II. Vatican II represents Tradition. Unfortunately, the Church of Vatican II is opposed to Tradition. It is not the same thing (...)"

    It would be appropriate for Bishop Huonder to become acquainted with these docuмents, which neutralize the conclusion given to the first part of this trilogy "The Great Wound". The process of the Council interpreted in the light of the Tradtion" is reductive and does not reflect Archbishop Lefebvre's real and profound thinking on the Council and its use. Far from being a definitive position on the Council, this sentence is to be contextualized: It was the beginning of the pontificate of John Paul II and Archbishop Lefebvre had, at the time, a favorable a priori impression of this new pope, who had come from the countries of the East under communist domination. "Then my illusions about the pontificate fell with time. And today I am convinced that no agreement is possible as long as the modernists continue to occupy all the key positions in the Church. (30 Days, June 1989)

    To retain, therefore, only this perspective in order to define Archbishop Lefebvre's judgment on the Second Vatican Council is reductive, and therefore misleading.

    We denounce this procedure.

    May 10, 2023



    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • NB: I'll resume this translation in a couple hours, unless someone picks it up in my absence.  Have to run now.
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    The New Mass and the Second Vatican Council
    The following words are the fruit of the reading (subtitled in French) of the second intervention of Huonder, published in German at the end of April 2023.

    The Swiss bishop, who has been on retreat in a school of the Society of St. Pius X since 2019, undertakes, through three videos, a rapid overview of the popes he has known during his life (from Pius XII to Francis) and he seeks to discover the cause of the crisis that is shaking the Church. This is the purpose of the first part, which ends with a quotation from Archbishop Lefebvre on "the docuмents of the Council, interpreted in the light of Traditon".

    We have written an article (The Docuмents of the Council - May 10, 2023) on this subject, showing that the Archbishop had changed his position considerably in the years that followed, until the consecrations of 1988.

    Let us read what Archbishop Huonder says about the new Mass:

    "The abandonment of Tradition is most painfully felt in the change in the rite of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Was this change legitimate?  Was it the intention of the Council? In the constitution on the liturgy Sacrosanctum Concilium, it is said of the Holy Mass Mass: 'Our Redeemer instituted the Eucharistic sacrifice of His body and blood at the Last Supper, on the night he was delivered, in order to perpetuate in time, until his coming, the sacrifice of the cross, and thus to entrust to the Church, his beloved bride, a memorial of his death and resurrection: As sacrament of goodness, as a sign of unity, as a bond of love, as a paschal banquet where Christ is savored, where the spirit is filled with grace and where we are given a pledge of the glory to come.'"

    On the other hand, the Constitution warns against innovations: "Finally, innovations [are to] be introduced only if the real and certain utility of the Church requires it, and if care has been taken that that the new forms grow in some way organically. Despite this, we have been presented with a new rite that has been greatly modified, with a theology of the Mass that has been just as modified. As we have already indicated, the abandonment of the traditional Eucharistic faith became evident in 1969 with the apostolic constitution Missale Romanum ex decreto Concilii Œcuмenici Vaticani II instauratum, and with the introduction of the Novus Ordo Missae. In examining the new Ordo of the Mass that same year, a commission of experts concluded It is obvious that the Novus Ordo no longer wants to represent the faith of Trent. Yet it is to this faith that the Catholic conscience is bound forever. The true Catholic is therefore locked into a tragic dilemma by the promulgation of the new Ordo.

    The Commission was not really taken seriously. A correction of the text of the introduction in the missal was supposed to solve this difficulty. But in reality, the Ordo itself remained designed as it was, that is, it no longer fully represented the faith of Trent. This will become evident long afterwards in the apostolic letter Desiderio Desideravi of 2022. One must look away not to notice - despite certain terms, attitudes of piety and interpretations of the of the celebration that appear to be Catholic - an essentially Protestant conception of the Holy Mass. The letter refers to the Council. It is therefore intended as an interpretation of the Council's constitution. But the comparison does not hold water."

    The Prelate contrasts the will of the Council with what followed. He believes that the Council did not want to change the Mass, but that experts wanted it and changed it. Paul VI would therefore be a stranger to what has been commonly known since 1969 as "the Mass of Paul VI". Is this an abuse of language?

    In order not to give the impression that we wanted to distort the texts, let us now let the texts themselves speak.

    The Constitution on the Liturgy, Sacrosanctum Concilium, says: "(The Holy Council) wishes that, where necessary, the entire text of the Mass be revised with prudence in the spirit of tradition, and that they be given a new vitality in accordance with the circuмstances and needs of today. (No. 4) This is not the purpose we propose here, but let it be said that this constitution foresees, in the following paragraphs, the change of the entire liturgy: After the Mass, the sacraments, the breviary, the ritual with the sacramentals. All these changes are desired by the Council itself; it is not a question of a post-conciliar wipe-out of a past that the Council wanted to protect and preserve.

    Was it Bugnini who carried out this operation of changing the Mass, without the knowledge and against the will of the Sovereign Pontiff? Let Paul VI himself speak: "The adoption of the new Ordo Missæ is certainly not left to the free decision of the priests or the faithful. The new Ordo Missæ was promulgated to take the place of the old one, after careful deliberation, and in order to carry out the decisions of the Council. (Paul VI, May 24, 1976). It seems that one cannot be more clear and precise.

    We could support our statement with more texts, but it seems that those we have cited are more than enough to prove the point, that the Council, by the will of Paul VI himself, wanted to make the change of liturgy.  A valuable testimony is that of Jean Guitton, friend and confidant of Paul VI, [which] reveals the intention with which the pope carried out the new rite: "The Mass of Paul VI's Mass is presented as a banquet, and insists much on the participation in a banquet, and much less on the notion of ritual sacrifice before God, with the priest showing only his back (...). There is in Paul an ecuмenical intention to erase, or at least to correct, or at least to soften, what is too Catholic in the traditional sense in the Mass, and to bring the Mass closer to the Calvinist supper. (Jean Guitton, December 19, 1993, on Radio Courtoisie).

    All is said. Bishop Huonder denounces - and he is right to do so, although he has never until now [said] mea culpa for all the years he celebrated the mass he denounces as protestant- the the harmfulness of the new Mass.

    The problem is badly posed and badly solved: The new Mass is the work of the Second Vatican Council, not a distorted interpretation of it. To remain in this logic is to follow the conception of Benedict XVI: The Council is good, he said, while deploring the bad consequences of this same Council.

    Bossuet was right when he said that "God laughs at men who cry over the disasters, the causes of which they cherish."

    The second part of this trilogy is, again, trapped and distorted.  What does the third part of "The Great Wound" hold in store for us?

    May 11, 2023, on the feast of the Apostles Philip and James
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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  • (Conclusion)



    "I continue my 2015 mandate"
    or... the story of the fox in the henhouse
    The first of the three recordings that are online on the German Youtube channel Certamen, and relayed on https://fsspx.news/en had as its introductory words:

    "By January 9, 2015, I received the request to enter into discussions with representatives of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X. This letter came from Cardinal Gerhard Müller, then Prefect of the Roman Roman Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The goal was to establish a friendly and human relationship with the Society.

    It was in these terms that Bishop Huonder, in the third part of his talk - which has as its general title "The Great Wound" - confesses blithely the Roman intentions regarding the Society of St. Pius X and his own:

    "I go back to January 9, 2015, to the Roman letter requesting I begin discussions with representatives of the Society of Saint Pius X. Despite unfavorable circuмstances, I fulfilled that mandate - and I am still in the process of fulfilling it."

    He aptly describes Francis' perverse actions related to the traditional Mass, which he wants to see disappear completely. Bishop Huonder's words are clear and he expresses his sorrow to see the current pope break the momentum created by his predecessor, Benedict XVI, even though - as we pointed out on April 28 - "in this idea of a new way of life, we have to take into account the needs of the people."  In this idea of the hermeneutics of continuity, it is a matter of combining the old and the new without finding any contradiction.

    The well-known example is that of Benedict XVI who, on July 7, 2007, issued a Motu proprio to authorize the tridentine Mass (Extraordinary Rite), while keeping the New Mass (Ordinary Rite) as the norm.

    As we said at the beginning of the analysis of these docuмents, and even before that, we dared to compare them with the wolf in the sheepfold. This is the expression I used when I wrote to the Superior General of the Society in June 2019, during the official visit of Archbishop Huonder to a house of the Society of Saint Pius X. This denunciation may have seemed daring at the time, or even a rash judgment? Here are the two communiqués, written on the same date:

    1 - Communiqué from Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani:
    "(...) In accordance with a long-standing wish, Bishop Huonder will be staying in a house of the Society of Saint Pius X. The sole purpose of this move is to devote himself to prayer and silence, to celebrate the Mass exclusively, and to work for Tradition." May 20, 2019

    2 - Bishop Huonder's communiqué to his clergy:
    "(...) I myself now reside, as is already known, in the area of the priests' house in the St. Mary's Institute in Wangs/SG.  This institute belongs to the SSPX. In the spirit of Pope Francis, I will try to contribute to the unity of the Church by not excluding, but discerning, accompanying and helping to reintegrate (...)" 20 May 2019

    "Helping reintegration": This is the purpose of his 2015 mandate. The presence of Bishop Huonder in a house of the SSPX is not, according to the joint communiqué of May 20, 2019, "to devote himself to prayer and silence" presented as "the one and only purpose of this step". This communiqué was a red herring, a (rape-nigaud if I dare the word!)
    It should be noted that Father Pagliarani, in his letter to the Superiors of the Fraternity (April 6, 2023) announced in laconic terms the episcopal ministry of Bishop Huonder for Holy Thursday: "The Superior General has judged it appropriate (author's emphasis) to invite Bishop Huonder to celebrate a Chrism Mass for the first time in the seminary in Zaitzkofen. Thus, four Chrism Masses will be celebrated this year in our seminaries: in Dillwyn by Bishop de Galarreta, in Ecône by Bishop Fellay, and in La Reja by Bishop Tissier de Mallaiser."

    His 2015 term of office does indeed continue. It should also be noted that, in Father Pagliarani's interview of May 5, 2023 - https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/entreDen-with-the-superior-general-of-the-fraternity-acerdotal-saint-pie-x-82412 -, there is not a word about Bishop Huonder, while at the same time, the Prelate fulfilled an episcopal ministry (Holy Thursday, the Holy Oils) and made three interventions, which we have been analyzing for two weeks. Astonishing...

    The Prelate makes himself suppliant so that Rome asks for forgiveness to the Fraternity, for having mistreated it since 1975. Read between the lines and remember this: He asks for canonical recognition. It is true that it is right to it. However, this right should not be granted at any price, especially not in the name of religious freedom.  In this regard, he quotes Archbishop Lefebvre who, in 1976, was received by Paul VI:

    "When Archbishop Lefebvre was received in audience by Pope Paul VI in 1976, he made the following request: Would it not be possible to allow a chapel in the churches where people could pray as before the Council? Today, everything is allowed to everyone: Why not allow something for us too?"

    It seems, and it is possible, that Bishop Huonder does not have all of Archbishop Lefebvre's texts. Here is one one that clarifies and corrects the above paragraph. It dates from September 1988 (Fideliter n° 66):

    "We do not have the same way of conceiving reconciliation. Cardinal Ratzinger sees it in the sense of reducing us, of bringing us back to Vatican II. We see it as a return of Rome to Tradition. We don't agree. It's a dialogue of the deaf. I can't talk much about the future, because mine is behind me.  But if I live a little longer, and assuming that Rome will make an appeal in the near future, that they will want to see us again, to speak again, then I will be the one to set the conditions. 

    I will no longer accept to be in the situation in which we found ourselves during the discussions. It's over. It's over. I will ask the questions on the doctrinal level: "Do you agree with the great encyclicals of all the popes who have preceded you? Do you agree with Pius IX's Quanta Cura, Immortale Dei IX, and Libertas Praestantissimum of Leo XIII, Pascendi of Pius X, Quas Primas of Pius XI, Humani generis of Pius XII? 

    Are you in full communion with these popes and their positions? Do you still still accept the anti-modernist oath? Are you for the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ? If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is useless to speak. As long as you do not accept to reform the Council, considering the doctrine of those popes who preceded you there is no dialogue possible. It is useless. 

    The positions would be clearer.

    It is not a small thing that separates us.  It is not enough to say, "You can say the old Mass, but you have to accept it [the Council]. No, it's not just that (the Mass) that sets us apart, it's the doctrine. That's clear."

    We do not doubt Bishop Huonder's intentions: He is certainly sincere in the steps he has been taking for nearly ten years. He wants reconciliation in good faith.

    However, this bishop, with a largely modernist, ecuмenist past, has not once, in the three parts of "The Great Wound," made his mea culpa for the errors he had professed.

    We will keep the expression "the wolf in the sheepfold" to finish this presentation. We add two qualifiers which, in this case, are not [good] qualities: A wolf... kind and sincere.

    But a wolf is a wolf. Or, if you prefer, it's the fox in the henhouse!

    May 12, 2023



    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • I have to laugh (and noted the cohencidence to my family after Mass today) because it seems that every time criticism of the nSSPX begins to peak on CI, we are treated to another sermon about "detraction on the internet"… as we received today.

    The sermon was also missing mention of key elements found in Jone, namely the mitigation of (1) already public knowledge, (2) danger to the public, and (3) transgression by an official of Church or State.

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  • I have to laugh (and noted the cohencidence to my family after Mass today) because it seems that every time criticism of the nSSPX begins to peak on CI, we are treated to another sermon about "detraction on the internet"… as we received today.

    They don't want this side of +Huonder getting out.

    Just as in the case of +Lefebvre, they are now branding +Huonder (but where their branding sanitized all the anti-modernist combat out of +Lefebvre, here they're branding all the modernism out of +Huonder).

    The final product presented to the anesthetized masses will be that +Lefebvre and +Huonder are the same.

    "Because you have not loved the truth, I will send an operation of error, that you should believe lying..."
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • Just my guess, but I think a number of serious Catholics who’ve heretofore stayed with the SSPX due to lack of alternatives may now jump ship, especially if they know the Holy Oils came from (?) Bp. Huonder.  I can especially appreciate parents refusing to have their children receive positively doubtful Sacraments.  The problem is no more Huonder, himself, who can be easily avoided.  His doubtful oils can be used by any number of priests.  Some priests know better but lack the courage to protest.  Others, especially the younger priests recently ordained may not sufficiently understand the problem and use the oils they’re given with pure intent, not even knowing who consecrated them or that they should ask!  
    🏡  😔  Look for an increase in involuntary “home-aloners.”