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« on: September 18, 2012, 01:47:37 PM »
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  • Just stumbled upon this site.  I found it very informative.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #1 on: September 18, 2012, 05:33:51 PM »
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  • Sorry the site didn't come up in my previous post

    Here it is

    http://www.sossaveoursspx.com/
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    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 06:42:31 PM »
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  • Good work, Misereremini!

    I would recommend reading it before Fr. Rostand's commands are carried out:
    "Just take it down." (See below)

    This could prove very helpful for me because it packs a lot of data into one site
    where it's all readily accessible, and example of "We don't know how good we
    have it, but we very well may soon find out how good we HAD it." How to answer
    those who don't have any knowledge of these things because their heads are in
    the sand --- here it is. Get your materials, get it organized, and dish it out.

    The very first part lists all the priests about whom we are not allowed information,
    unless we know someone on the "inside." Why? Because these priests have been
    suppressed by the Menzingen-denizens, and told in no uncertain terms that they
    are categorically FORBIDDEN to divulge the details of their situation, AND that
    they are forbidden from explaining that they have been forbidden. Meanwhile,
    useful idiots (or paid subversives!) are prowling about like lions, seeking whom
    they might devour, asserting that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT PRIESTS ARE
    BEING TRANSFERED BECAUSE THEY OPPOSED THE DEAL WITH ROME, and such
    nonsense. Sure. And I have an oil well for sale..............

    This site's quite a powerhouse of info and commentary. It begins thusly:





    A DISCLAIMER AND ANNOUNCEMENT

               A Sad, sad, time, dear friends and faithful. A priest of the SSPX, with the blessing of his U. S District superior, refuses Holy Communion to a writer who uses the freedoms our fore-fathers earned through their "lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor," to express his beliefs and opinions, and to share with other faithful Catholics timely news of the goings-on in the world of Tradition. Simply, it seems,  because the SSPX superior does not wish the faithful to be informed. Period. End of Story.

    What's going on with Father Chazal? None of your business. What's up with Fr. Pfeiffer? None of your business?  What's up with Fr. Basil Meramo? Fr. Damien Fox? Fr. Patrick Girouard (Canada)?  The four German priests? Fr. Gabriel Grosso (Argentina)? Fr. David Hewko? Fr. Eric Jacqmin (Belgium)? Fr. Michael Koller (France)? Fr. Juan Ceriani (Argentina)? Fr. Ernesto Cardoza (Brazil)? Fr. Xavier Beauvais (France)? Dom Nataglia (Italiy)? Bishop Williamson? Fr. Jean de Morgon (France)? Fr. Steven Reiter? Fr. Juan Turco? (Argentina)? Fr. Joven Soliman (Phillipines)? The Capuchins of France? The Monastery of Santa Cruz in Brazil?


    In every single case, these brave priests are trying to warn the SSPX and the Superior that his playing with Rome is a mistake. And in every case they are shut up! The answer is the same-- none of your business! That way they can pressure the priests to buckle under or be expelled.

    Father leRoux told me personally in Auriesville that none of the three Bishops (Williamson, deGalaretta, or deMallerais) had been given the "grace of State" when the Holy Ghost was placed upon their shoulders and they became bishops-- only Bishop Fellay was!

         So then what--? When they are expelled? Then they lie and say "they were sede-vacantists!"  Fr. Rostand recently told the people that the "nine" of 1983 were expelled because of "sedevacantism"-- a total fabrication. Your editor was there in 1983! The "nine" were complaining of changes in the missal, they were against bringing in novus ordo priests, they were against the SSPX agreeing with novus ordo marriage annulments; they were against introducing liturgical reforms of John XXIII, they were against the expulsion of priests sanctified to Christ without arranging for their care and support. They were not promoting sede-vacantism.

          Fr  Rostand, the appointed superior of the SSPX  U S District was in Ridgefield Sunday, September 16th. He said he would take questions from the parishioners. He said the Mass. The Pastor, Fr. Goldady was hearing confessions until the communion. Fr. Rostand  said he would answer the many questions the parishioners have about the dealings with Rome; he also spoke of the great virtues of charity and love. Fr. Goldady left the confessional to help distribute communion-- and made it a point, in front of several hundred parishioners, to deny Holy Communion to the editor. Of course, Father Rostand later joked, during his conference that "I hear in America you have freedom of speech!"

          During the little conference, Fr Rostand talked of "some" of the steps from 2000 through 2012. He also took some questions, but was unable to answer any of them. He said Bp. Fellay's comments in the CNS interview were taken out of context. But when asked if they contacted CNS and told them to correct the interview, he didn't know. This is the same Fr. Rostand who had his attorney tell SOSSave OURSSPX that "you can't use the pictures of Archbishop Lefebvre!"

          He was asked  by a parishioner if there is a good communications between higher-ups and the priests. After much waffling, he finally admitted "No". When asked directly is there is good communications between  the faithful and the SSPX  (mgmt), after much waffling, he answered no, probably not. But this is the same Father Rostand who said to your editor, when I said, "Father, anything you find inaccurate or wrong (on this website), I'll correct" all he could say was "just take it down".

           When asked directly by one of  the faithful whether Bishop Fellay, over a week ago stated to Seminarians in Econe that he (Bp Fellay) had been deceived by Rome( something covered by many major news sources), he stated "I don't know"-- then, after much waffling, he said "he may have said something like that."
         

       How in the world, could a little web page (sossaveoursspx), which is merely a compilation and amalgamation of information that is freely available to anybody in the entire world, could be upsetting to the higher ups in the SSPX, is beyond me. The pastor, when he threatened to with-hold Holy Communion, was asked by myself: "what lies or calumnies are on the SOSSAVEOURSSPX," and he said, "I didn't know-- I don't have time to look at it." When I asked him, specifically, to tell me what is erroneous or incorrect (for I would immediately change it), he said he "hadn't read it!" I offered him to let me know of any errors or calumnies that he found-- he has notified me of not one!

         At the conference, almost every single question put to Father Rostand was left unanswered. The dancing around the questions was legendary. The first retort on any of the quotes (which parishioners offered) of the Archbishop's was, "when did he say that?"

       So what can a Catholic conclude? 1) Priests like Fr Goldade are scared out of their wits to oppose Fr. Rostand-- and they cannot think for themselves. It was stated during the conference many, many times-- "If they (the priests) don't like it here (in the SSPX) they can leave!" This even pushes them to commit egregious public acts of injustice. 2) The SSPX leaders now think that the Archbishop really didn't know what he believed. One almost comes away thinking "Gee, it's a good thing the Archbishop passed away, because these people believe he was always changing his tune." And now, we have this huge confusion.

         It is really quite simple. It appears Bishop Fellay and Father Rostand want to make the SSPX an organization that novus ordo (modernist) Catholics will want to join. They want to make of it a priestly society where Novus Ordo Bishops (Never ordained in the Catholic faith, many who don't believe the catholic faith), who are protestant and modernist in their thinking, will welcome into their diocese SSPX priests, and will send their candidates to (hopefully), the new SSPX seminary in Virginia. To do this, they have to ditch the traditional baggage; they have to look to the modernists as if they are not that rigid in their thinking, and they even have to portray the Archbishop as flexible, and ever-changing-- just like Ratzinger's notion of tradition. But at the same time, they want to keep the great traditional support base-- all the thousands of faithful who bought the churches, built the schools, supported the seminaries, sponsored the camps. And that is, in my opinion, why they allow the CNS interview to go out, which has Bp. Fellay saying, basically, 'Vatican II is really okay-- there's just some interpretations which are wrong,' but when the traditionalists quote the very same words, the SSPX leaders cry, "You mis-quote me out of context!!"

             When a man is trying to woo two women at the same time, he has to keep his stories straight-- othewise one of them will get wind of something fishy. Same thing's going on here. They can't speak the truth, because either the trads will get upset, OR the Romans will get upset. And, in a few cases, there are different levels of people in each of those groups, who get upset for different reasons.

      Therefore, It becomes best to say nothing, or "I don't know," or "Did you hear him say that?" (As Fr. Jenkins retorted when I quoted the Archbishop, or "when did he say that" as if whatever he said in the 1970's or 1980's were revised by what he said in the later years.) And now, of course, if you continue to quote the Archbishop, or repeat anything someone else says about the Archbishop, "WE WANT YOU TO SHUT UP!"  

    Failing that, there is no freedom of Speech in the Society of St Pius X's concept of the Catholic faith, so you shall not receive Holy Communion. Yes, it is true, open abortionists, open paedophiles, open sodomites, open child-abusers, can receive holy communion, can serve as priests, and can even be bishops, cardinals and popes in Bp Fellay's Church of the new Advent, the church he wants to re-join. But if you dare to give the news you shall not receive Holy Communion! Change Canon Law, Change the slabs given to Moses, the Eleventh Commandment is "Thou Shalt Not Print the News."


       This web site is not for those who do not want to read it-- stay off is my recommendation. As I stated on the very first page some three months ago, (you can find this way down at the beginning of this page) SOSSaveOurSSPX will be taken down,when as as soon as the Management of the Society of St Pius X drops it's foolish plans to join Rome, restores it's priests and bishops to their rightful positions, and begins telling the faithful the whole truth of what they are doing with Rome. There's nobody on the world wide web that is being forced to access this page.To hit "enter" is totally voluntary. Those who access this page love their Catholic faith, and they love the Society of St Pius X. They respect greatly Achbishop Marcel Lefebvre, and they likewise respect deeply the bishops and priests, brothers, sisters, monks and faithful who have sacrificed for so many years, through so many trials, to keep our faith with purity. We don't want to see the faith adulterated with the falsehoods and heresies of the Rome of today. And we love and support our priests-- even when they are driven by their superiors to make mistakes. Pray for our priests! Cardinal Ratzinger has said the curtain is falling over Christian civilization.  The very people in Rome are working for that curtain to fall!  The Catholic Faith is the rock of that Christian Civilization. it is upon that rock of the FAITH, the FAITH expressed by St Peter, upon which the Christ promised He would build His Church. Christ's promise lives on today, and must live within each of us who professes that faith. It is, or it must be, the same faith that St Peter professed to Christ Himself. We can back down, and let the faith erode,and thousnds upon thousands of Catholic and Christians be deceived into hell-- or we can sound the alarm, and help preserve the faith of Our Lord, the faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the faith of St. Peter, St. Pius and Marcel Lefebvre.

    And so we work, for the keeping of that faith-- and that's all we work for. If any of our readers find anything calumniating, or erroneous, or false, please advise me, and I will remove it. It takes a long time to put these news articles together. I have no computer, I have no internet, I have no TV.  I am a little pebble in the ocean.  I must rely solely on free-access computers, and very, very little free time. It would be far better for the current management to get back to the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer and Pope Pius X, and stop dealing with these snakes in Rome, and they wouldn't have to always couch their words based on their audience. We pray for their priests, for our priests, driven to erroneous actions because of their fear of the management.  

    NOTE : A CALL FOR PHOTOS: Father Rostand has instructed his law firm to claim ownership rights to all photos of Archbishop Lefebvre, all priests of the SSPX, and all buildings paid for by the people! They have embarked upon another foolish waste of time! Any readers who have original photos, of all things traditional and Catholic, please send them along to me, include a short note, of course, letting us know where you took it, who/what it is, and permitting me to post it, if appropriate to the subject being discussed. Thank-you





    Some things bear repeating....



         It is really quite simple. It appears Bishop Fellay and Father Rostand want to make the SSPX an organization that novus ordo (modernist) Catholics will want to join. They want to make of it a priestly society where Novus Ordo Bishops (Never ordained in the Catholic faith, many who don't believe the catholic faith), who are protestant and modernist in their thinking, will welcome into their diocese SSPX priests, and will send their candidates to (hopefully), the new SSPX seminary in Virginia. To do this, they have to ditch the traditional baggage; they have to look to the modernists as if they are not that rigid in their thinking, and they even have to portray the Archbishop as flexible, and ever-changing-- just like Ratzinger's notion of tradition. But at the same time, they want to keep the great traditional support base-- all the thousands of faithful who bought the churches, built the schools, supported the seminaries, sponsored the camps. And that is, in my opinion, why they allow the CNS interview to go out, which has Bp. Fellay saying, basically, 'Vatican II is really okay-- there's just some interpretations which are wrong,' but when the traditionalists quote the very same words, the SSPX leaders cry, "You mis-quote me out of context!!"
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    « Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 07:08:55 PM »
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  • Oh-oh.  

    Here goes the little pebble stuff again ..........

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    « Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 07:52:33 PM »
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    Oh-oh.  

    Here goes the little pebble stuff again ..........

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    I am a little pebble in the ocean.  I must rely solely on free-access computers, and very, very little free time.


    I agree.  Not the best choice of words.  
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    « Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 09:45:40 PM »
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    Fr. Goldady left the confessional to help distribute communion-- and made it a point, in front of several hundred parishioners, to deny Holy Communion to the editor. Of course, Father Rostand later joked, during his conference that "I hear in America you have freedom of speech!"



    My husband was there and I will verify this with him when he returns.


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    During the little conference, Fr Rostand talked of "some" of the steps from 2000 through 2012. He also took some questions, but was unable to answer any of them.


    This is simply not true.  My husband was there and he called afterwards.  Fr. Rostand answered all the questions.  The 'opposition' was not a very large group, and in speaking with a number of the regulars afterwards, he found that many of them were not SSPX Mass goers.


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    He said Bp. Fellay's comments in the CNS interview were taken out of context. But when asked if they contacted CNS and told them to correct the interview, he didn't know.


    Again, I will ask my husband about this.


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    He was asked  by a parishioner if there is a good communications between higher-ups and the priests. After much waffling, he finally admitted "No". When asked directly is there is good communications between  the faithful and the SSPX  (mgmt), after much waffling, he answered no, probably not. But this is the same Father Rostand who said to your editor, when I said, "Father, anything you find inaccurate or wrong (on this website), I'll correct" all he could say was "just take it down".


    I will also ask him about this.  I beleive he already mentioned this to me and his account differs from this one.  I will verify when he gets back.


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    When asked directly by one of  the faithful whether Bishop Fellay, over a week ago stated to Seminarians in Econe that he (Bp Fellay) had been deceived by Rome( something covered by many major news sources), he stated "I don't know"-- then, after much waffling, he said "he may have said something like that."


    I will check on this one too.
         
       
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    At the conference, almost every single question put to Father Rostand was left unanswered. The dancing around the questions was legendary. The first retort on any of the quotes (which parishioners offered) of the Archbishop's was, "when did he say that?".


    This is not true.  This was one of the first items my husband told me of.  He asked the person when did ABL say that and the person did not know.  He told him and then went on to quote other ABL quotes that came after that.


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    So what can a Catholic conclude? 1) Priests like Fr Goldade are scared out of their wits to oppose Fr. Rostand-- and they cannot think for themselves. It was stated during the conference many, many times-- "If they (the priests) don't like it here (in the SSPX) they can leave!"


    I will verify this, too.  Since so many other things are incorrect.

       
    "It will be the Superior General's job, when the time comes, to pick up the threads again with Rome." Archbishop Lefebvre

    "No doubt we suffered from the departure of some priests and seminarians... In this way we are stronger and s

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    « Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 10:01:50 PM »
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  • NeelyAnn,
    Does your husband know how to read and write?  I'm not big on hearsay.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 10:08:09 PM »
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    NeelyAnn,
    Does your husband know how to read and write?  I'm not big on hearsay.
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    Funny, because that entire article is based on hearsay and my guess is you liked it very much and you are ready to swallow every bit of what it says, true or not, simply because it is what you want to hear.

    My husband was there and called me after the conference to tell me what was said and how it went.  He also made a point to speak with Fr. Rostand in person, on his own.

    As I stated, when he returns, I will go over the entire post, from the 'sos...' website, with him.
    "It will be the Superior General's job, when the time comes, to pick up the threads again with Rome." Archbishop Lefebvre

    "No doubt we suffered from the departure of some priests and seminarians... In this way we are stronger and s


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    « Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 10:15:39 PM »
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    NeelyAnn,
    Does your husband know how to read and write?  I'm not big on hearsay.
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    Funny, because that entire article is based on hearsay and my guess is you liked it very much and you are ready to swallow every bit of what it says, true or not, simply because it is what you want to hear.

    My husband was there and called me after the conference to tell me what was said and how it went.  He also made a point to speak with Fr. Rostand in person, on his own.

    As I stated, when he returns, I will go over the entire post, from the 'sos...' website, with him.


    Good.  Then have him type in the answer.  Or does he let you handle the forums for him?  
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  • Oh boy, this is rich. NeelyAnn is going to stand in judgment and find things she
    can misinterpret so she can hurl firey darts of cantankerisms. I can hardly wait.....

    ................. NOT.


    One thing's for sure: Fr. Rostand et. al. will be a little more aware they can't just
    roll out the same old program again and again and get away with it. The words they
    use will be duly noted. And the shills they employ will be on overtime refuting what
    they don't approve of. But that's okay, because there will be witnesses, and they will
    know what is true and what is spin zone stuff.  

    Let's see the hard questions answered, the ones Fr. Rostand shies away from.
    Maybe NeelyAnn's husband can give Fr. Rostand's answers, since he heard them
    first hand. Oh, wait, he can deny the questions were asked! Perhaps he had to step
    out for a minute to move his car, and that's when they must have asked all these
    really sticky questions, and all the waffling happened. Yeah. That's the ticket.





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  • Regarding whether +Fellay really said that he had been deceived by Rome, and
    how Fr. Rostand replied to that question, there is more on the same page:








    BISHOP FELLAY CLAIMING HE WAS DECEIVED BY BENEDICT XVI?


    I'm sorry, this just looks too big for one thread. So it has it's own thread, now:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20629
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    « Reply #11 on: September 18, 2012, 11:21:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lepanto Again
    Yes, we like this site but it is not a site for the faint hearted. It isn'tgoing  to convince anybody. It's too aggressive. We like it. The weak and/or ignorant might not.


    I guess you can count me among the weak and/or ignorant because I find that site in poor taste. The facts all speak clearly enough for themselves. I don't need anyone's dramatic spin to understand what's going on.

    Further, it does a grand job at muddying the water between facts and rumors. In time, many rumors do become supported by facts, but as some do not, I think it's important to maintain some clarity in where information came from so that individuals can make their own decisions on whether or not to trust the source.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 12:45:44 PM »
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  • Neely Ann, the results of your interview with your husband would be appreciated.  It would be a very grave matter if a SSPX priest withheld Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament from a faithful on account of public disagreement with the decisions of the Society leadership.  

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    « Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 09:33:19 PM »
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    Neely Ann, the results of your interview with your husband would be appreciated.  It would be a very grave matter if a SSPX priest withheld Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament from a faithful on account of public disagreement with the decisions of the Society leadership.  



    And just why is Neely Ann's husband to be believed over the person who was actually denied receiving Our Lord????????
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    « Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 11:46:26 PM »
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  • I thought it was curious that Neely Ann never returned with her husband's report.  The absence of a follow up suggests that her husband had to admit the truth of what was posted on SaveourSSPX.  Confirmation of the report would have been of value.  C'mon, Neely Ann, let us have the promised report.    

     

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