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« on: May 20, 2012, 09:28:38 AM »
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    « Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 05:06:19 PM »
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  • This Open Letter from Fr. Ernesto J.J. Cardozo appeared on http://www.savesspx.com/ on May 25, 2012.

    I thought it worthwhile bringing it to the members here. It shows that savesspx.com can indeed be a means of encouraging priests to speak out.  

    I have taken the liberty to make the probable formatting that would most likely have appeared in the original.

    God bless Father with all the courage and support he needs to act according to his conscience.


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    Open Letter to my Colleague Priests, Faithful Friends

    Nova Friburgo, May 13, 2012 95th anniversary of the 1st apparition of Our Lady in Fatima

    After reading the letter of the three SSPX Bishops to the General House, and the answer given by Msgr. Fellay and his followers which have more or less the same errors as those manifested in the past by Dom Gérard, Fr. Rifan and Fr. Muñoz, I have nothing more to say than to express:

    1. My total adhesion to the SSPX and its Founder and, therefore, my absolute support of the three Bishops who remain faithful to the work of Msgr. Lefebvre, in whom I place my obedience.

    2. My non-recognition of the authority of Msgr. Fellay, given his pertinacity and distancing from the principles of the Founder, and [my non-recognition of the authority] of all those who share his position of surrendering to Rome, independent of the office they occupy, and, therefore, my rejection of such position of this Bishop, based on his opinions and polices that are totally removed from the policy of yes-yes, no-no of the Gospel and the foundations given by Msgr. Lefebvre.

    3. Our absolute rejection also to any accord with modernist Rome to which this Bishop, Msgr. Fellay, is shamefully dragging us in a suicidal operation, ignoring the counsels: Of the Founder; Of his three brothers in the Episcopate; Of diverse priests who, in the last years with due reasons, refuted his steps toward a communion with a Church self-defined as “post-conciliar” and not Catholic, which is enemy of Our Lord and His universal Kingship. 2 They ended by being expelled or resigning in order to not end in the lamentable situation we have reached today.

    4. For these reasons, I call on the three faithful Bishops, who have an authority given to them by the Founder, to assume the command of the SSPX to avoid its dismantling and dispersion.

    5. I call on the members and faithful who still maintain a minimum of loyalty, fidelity and obedience to the Founder to support in a clear and efficient way our three Bishops, and withdraw all support from those subservient followers of the one who permitted, by his consent, collaboration and silence, the present day state of affairs that is leading the SSPX to an irremediable division.

    Given that we have been confirmed, i.e., that we are soldiers of Christ the King by the anti-modernist oath we made at our ordination, in order not to end in perjury and apostasy, I call on all to clearly take the position of Tradition and support with all their efforts the defense of the SSPX, the secure boat in which we have reached so many goals and through which we survived the apostasy of our times, while we wait for the complete conversion of the Pope and Rome to the Eternal Rome. Trusting in the consecration of our religious family made in the past to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, let us combat with her and for her until the end. Amen.

    Fr. Ernesto J.J. Cardozo
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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 27, 2012, 05:25:03 PM »
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  • Does anybody know if Fr. Ernesto J.J. Cardozo has been "excommunicated" from SSPX yet?
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 27, 2012, 10:15:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    Does anybody know if Fr. Ernesto J.J. Cardozo has been "excommunicated" from SSPX yet?


    See here: (read on to page 2)
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=18762&min=0&num=10

    As of the 18th of May, the answer was "no". His letter was written on May 13th.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 06:43:38 AM »
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  • It seems to me that these several priests who have spoken out and are on the Internet replaying recordings of their courageous sermons are doing God's work.

    So far, they have not been "disciplined."

    This fact alone is somewhat of a miracle.

    Perhaps there is a natural explanation, but any way you slice it, it's not what we would expect, considering recent and longstanding scenarios that have transpired in the past. Therefore, there is something more in the offing, it would seem, something different, a change of direction. Hopefully to the good!

    Here's a chilling thought for us all:

    Could one or more of them be the saint(s) we have been praying for???????
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    « Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 09:29:23 AM »
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  • Woops. Maybe I spoke too soon. Can anyone verify this list?

    Look under June 4th


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    A running tally of Neo-SSPX priests expelled or in danger of expulsion by Bernie Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticizing his attempted sellout of Archbishop Lefebvre's traditional Catholic society to the New Order sect and its leadership, condemned by Archbishop Lefebvre as "not Catholic," has been provided to the TRADITIO Network. The list may not necessarily be complete and includes only Neo-SSPX clergy, not the lay members expelled, who are too numerous to list.

        Senior Bishop Richard Williamson, of the United Kingdom. Already silenced by Fellay and now in danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for joining with the other SSPX bishops in rejection of a sellout.

        Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, of France. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for joining with the other SSPX bishops in rejection of a sellout.

        Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, of Spain. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for joining with the other SSPX bishops in rejection of a sellout.

        District Superior Fr. Paul Morgan, of the United Kingdom. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Dean Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz, of Italy. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Prior Basilio Meramo, of Colombia. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Ernesto Cardozo, of Brazil. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Mosteiro de Santa Cruz Brazil. A Benedictine monastery in danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Dom Notiglia, of Italy. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Xavier Beauvais, of France. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Francois Chazal, of South Korea. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Juan Ceriani, of Argentina. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Gabriel Grosso, of Argentina. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Juan de Morgon, OFM Cap., of France. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, of The Philippines. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Joven Soliman, of The Philippines. Forced by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Juan Turco, of Argentina. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.
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    « Reply #6 on: June 04, 2012, 12:43:45 AM »
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  • Wishing savesspx.com every success!

    But! Please! Please! be very careful about the handling of money! There was a Northern Circuit Priory based at Vasai near Mumbai from 2008-2010. It seems that all the money expended on capital projects - funded from the US - have ultimately benefited private parties. Please be careful. Money wasted and squandered will simply add to the great heartache people are already experiencing. And there is no harm in trying to obtain references from past US District superiors like Fr Scott and Fr Fullerton.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 04, 2012, 04:46:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Francisco
    Wishing savesspx.com every success!

    But! Please! Please! be very careful about the handling of money! There was a Northern Circuit Priory based at Vasai near Mumbai from 2008-2010. It seems that all the money expended on capital projects - funded from the US - have ultimately benefited private parties. Please be careful. Money wasted and squandered will simply add to the great heartache people are already experiencing. And there is no harm in trying to obtain references from past US District superiors like Fr Scott and Fr Fullerton.


    I'm kind of confused... Why do you speak about money issues in the same breath as savesspx.com?

    I've been to that website (and even signed the petition) but I don't see an address anywhere to send money. It seems to be a petition or moral support kind of site.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 04, 2012, 04:49:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Woops. Maybe I spoke too soon. Can anyone verify this list?

    Look under June 4th


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    A running tally of Neo-SSPX priests expelled or in danger of expulsion by Bernie Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticizing his attempted sellout of Archbishop Lefebvre's traditional Catholic society to the New Order sect and its leadership, condemned by Archbishop Lefebvre as "not Catholic," has been provided to the TRADITIO Network. The list may not necessarily be complete and includes only Neo-SSPX clergy, not the lay members expelled, who are too numerous to list.

        Senior Bishop Richard Williamson, of the United Kingdom. Already silenced by Fellay and now in danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for joining with the other SSPX bishops in rejection of a sellout.

        Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, of France. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for joining with the other SSPX bishops in rejection of a sellout.

        Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, of Spain. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for joining with the other SSPX bishops in rejection of a sellout.

        District Superior Fr. Paul Morgan, of the United Kingdom. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Dean Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz, of Italy. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Prior Basilio Meramo, of Colombia. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Ernesto Cardozo, of Brazil. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Mosteiro de Santa Cruz Brazil. A Benedictine monastery in danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Dom Notiglia, of Italy. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Xavier Beauvais, of France. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Francois Chazal, of South Korea. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Juan Ceriani, of Argentina. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Gabriel Grosso, of Argentina. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Juan de Morgon, OFM Cap., of France. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, of The Philippines. In danger of expulsion by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Joven Soliman, of The Philippines. Forced by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.

        Fr. Juan Turco, of Argentina. Expelled by Fellay from his Neo-SSPX for criticism of a sellout.


    Bishop Fellay is taking a hatchet to the Society. There is no good way to construe it.
    For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. Matthew 26:31

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    « Reply #9 on: June 04, 2012, 11:49:43 PM »
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    Wishing savesspx.com every success!

    But! Please! Please! be very careful about the handling of money! There was a Northern Circuit Priory based at Vasai near Mumbai from 2008-2010. It seems that all the money expended on capital projects - funded from the US - have ultimately benefited private parties. Please be careful. Money wasted and squandered will simply add to the great heartache people are already experiencing. And there is no harm in trying to obtain references from past US District superiors like Fr Scott and Fr Fullerton.


    I'm kind of confused... Why do you speak about money issues in the same breath as savesspx.com?

    I've been to that website (and even signed the petition) but I don't see an address anywhere to send money. It seems to be a petition or moral support kind of site.


    Matthew, when the website first came on the air I saw some cash pledges made. Of course, these were just pledges and nothing more. I think the format of the site has now been changed. All I wanted to say is that if cash is collected and disbursed, it must be well audited.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 06:57:11 AM »
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    Bishop Fellay is taking a hatchet to the Society. There is no good way to construe it.


    I have a great gift suggestion for +Fellay this Father's Day:


    Indian Hatchet Necklace Pendant
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    « Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 11:30:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: GertrudetheGreat
    Yep, looks like a split is wanted.  Why else would the good news be ignored, and the focus be all on the negatives?


    Why'd you put this here? It looks like the last comment on savesspx.com was from yesterday (13th). Did I miss something?
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    « Reply #12 on: July 22, 2012, 09:55:02 PM »
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    Quote from: catherineofsiena


    Bishop Fellay is taking a hatchet to the Society. There is no good way to construe it.


    I have a great gift suggestion for +Fellay this Father's Day:


    Indian Hatchet Necklace Pendant


    I sure am happy to see one can pay in installments.....That not only makes the gift more "affordable" but, even more "APPROPRIATE"!  

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    « Reply #13 on: July 23, 2012, 04:31:06 AM »
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  • I have tried twice to sign this docuмent.  I have filled out the details twice, but when I pressed the 'submit' button I was cut off each time with a statement that I had timed out.  I did not delay when filling out the necessary details each time so I guess I have to keep trying?  Has anyone else had this problem?   I live in Australia. :sad:
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    « Reply #14 on: August 21, 2012, 04:36:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: donkath
    I have tried twice to sign this docuмent.  I have filled out the details twice, but when I pressed the 'submit' button I was cut off each time with a statement that I had timed out.  I did not delay when filling out the necessary details each time so I guess I have to keep trying?  Has anyone else had this problem?   I live in Australia. :sad:

    Hello,
    may be the date and time are not correct on your computer, or the TimeZone is not so the conversion to UTC gives a wrong value.