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SSPX Letter to Members
« on: November 01, 2019, 12:12:55 AM »
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  • SSPX Letter to Members: Apostasy without consequences?
    Louie October 29, 2019 101 Comments


    In an October 28th letter addressed to Members of the Society, Fr. Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the SSPX, addressed the events in Rome of the past several weeks.
    Using what some observers are calling “tough talk” and “strong language,” Fr. Pagliarani wrote, “The recent Synod on the Amazon was witness to terrible scenes…”
    Among those scenes, he listed the following:
    – The abomination of idolatrous rites within the sanctuary of God
    – The final docuмent attacked the holiness of the Catholic priesthood
    – The push for both the abolition of ecclesiastical celibacy and the establishment of a female deaconate
    He went on decry the “pagan elements [that] are increasingly integrated into divine worship,” making the same point that was made in this space yesterday:
    The liturgy that followed the Second Vatican Council is perfectly suited to this.
    Though Fr. Pagliarani refrained from invoking the “H” word, he actually went a step further still, identifying the abovementioned activities as “putrid fruits” brought about by “the seeds of apostasy … at work in the Council.”
    Tough talk and strong language?
    Perhaps, but let’s be honest, cutting-edge spiritual insight it is not; rather, these observations were obvious to most “Members of the Society” already. Much less does the letter represent genuine leadership in what most certainly amounts to wartime.
    What stands out the most in Fr. Pagliarani’s letter is what it does not say.
    Nowhere does he dare utter the name of he who is chiefly responsible for ushering in these grave offenses against Jesus Christ – Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who also happens to be posing as the Supreme Pontiff.
    I suppose it makes sense that Fr. Pagliarani would refrain from mentioning “Francis” (as he is known), for to do so would only serve to highlight an even greater lacuna in his letter; namely, his failure to draw the only logical conclusion that a person of Catholic faith can draw about such a man.
    While early on in the “so-called pontificate of Francis” (to quote Fr. Gruner yet again) blindness and ignorance were perhaps viable excuses for failing to call a spade a spade, we have arrived at a point where it is intellectually and spiritually dishonest for any Catholic worthy of the name – most especially a cleric – to deny that Jorge Bergoglio has, of his own doing, severed himself from the Mystical Body of Christ.
    Seriously, folks, are there any who sincerely believe that Jorge Mario Bergoglio is “enriched by Christ above all other pastors with the supernatural gifts of knowledge, understanding and wisdom, so that he may loyally preserve the treasury of faith, defend it vigorously, and explain it and confirm it with reverence and devotion?” (cf Mystici Coporis 50)
    Are there any who would sooner die a martyr’s death than to deny that the scoundrel known as “Pope Francis” is “the permanent principle and visible foundation of unity for both the whole multitude of believers and those in episcopal office?” (see Vatican Council I, First Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ)
    Are any even moderately well-formed Catholics willing to express “unity with Francis in communion and in profession of the same faith,” even now, after more than six years of witnessing, in both his words and his deeds, that his is not the Holy Catholic faith? (ibid.)
    Fr. Pagliarani’s letter went on to call for reparations for the “attacks on the holiness of Holy Mother the Church.” Indeed, this is laudable and necessary.
    It is, however, but a half-step. It is very much like a shepherd who is all for dressing the wounds of the sheep, but who has not the spine to stand up to their attacker, and so he timidly consents to the wolf’s continued presence in the fold where he is left free to devour the innocent however he wishes.
    The bottom line is simple:
    Idolatry, pagan worship, attacks against the priesthood, apostasy, etc., these are antithetical to membership in the Holy Catholic Church; much more so are they utterly incompatible with the Office of Peter.
    Forget being the Roman Pontiff! Jorge Bergoglio does not qualify as even the lowest member of the Catholic Church, not according to my own definition, but according to the bimillennial teaching of the sacred magisterium as repeated by Pope Pius XII, who stated:
    Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith … The cooperation of all its members must also be externally manifest through their profession of the same faith and their sharing the same sacred rites, through participation in the same Sacrifice, and the practical observance of the same laws.  (cf Mystici Corporis)
    Pope Pius XII also reiterated the faith of the Church when he stated that “heresy and apostasy of their own nature sever a man from the Body of the Church.” (ibid.)
    Fr. Pagliarani’s letter makes it plain that he recognizes Bergoglio’s apostasy. Surely, he also knows very well what the Church teaches about the consequences of such things.
    So, until such time as he is willing to openly declare – for the sake of the innocent, out of reverence for Christ – that Jorge Mario Bergoglio has severed himself from the Body of the Church, all of the “tough talk” and “strong language” in the world will not make of him a true shepherd and defender of Catholic tradition.


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    Re: SSPX Letter to Members
    « Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 03:13:00 PM »
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  • Louie Verrecchio's assessment regarding Fr. Pagliarani's letter is quite good and relevant, and I agree with much of it. As Louie says, it's what Fr. Pagliarani doesn't say that a problem. But that's not new. 

    I find it interesting that Louie seems to be so shocked by the words and actions of Pope Francis, as if it's something new. Doesn't he understand that JP2 wasn't much different?

    Louie mentions Idolatry, Pagan Worship, attacks on the priesthood, and Apostasy, but doesn't Louie understand that this has been a big problem since the Vll council?

    Since he's a Benevacantist, he want's to show how Francis cannot possibly be the Pope. I understand that. But he doesn't say anything about the Apostasy of Francis' predecessors.  But then Louie Verrecchio is fairly new to tradition.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: SSPX Letter to Members
    « Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 03:33:24 PM »
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  • Louie Verrecchio's assessment regarding Fr. Pagliarani's letter is quite good and relevant, and I agree with much of it. As Louie says, it's what Fr. Pagliarani doesn't say that a problem. But that's not new.

    I find it interesting that Louie seems to be so shocked by the words and actions of Pope Francis, as if it's something new. Doesn't he understand that JP2 wasn't much different?

    Louie mentions Idolatry, Pagan Worship, attacks on the priesthood, and Apostasy, but doesn't Louie understand that this has been a big problem since the Vll council?

    Since he's a Benevacantist, he want's to show how Francis cannot possibly be the Pope. I understand that. But he doesn't say anything about the Apostasy of Francis' predecessors.  But then Louie Verrecchio is fairly new to tradition.
    :applause:
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX Letter to Members
    « Reply #3 on: November 01, 2019, 05:06:13 PM »
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  • I find it interesting that Louie seems to be so shocked by the words and actions of Pope Francis, as if it's something new. Doesn't he understand that JP2 wasn't much different?


    It seems he understands that JP2 wasn't much different: https://akacatholic.com/let-us-feast-remembering-karol-via-jorge/
    In fact I think he is tending to more classic sedevantist: https://akacatholic.com/dual-hierarchy-theory/
    https://akacatholic.com/where-o-lord-is-the-roman-church/

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    Re: SSPX Letter to Members
    « Reply #4 on: November 02, 2019, 07:33:36 AM »
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  • It seems he understands that JP2 wasn't much different: https://akacatholic.com/let-us-feast-remembering-karol-via-jorge/
    In fact I think he is tending to more classic sedevantist: https://akacatholic.com/dual-hierarchy-theory/
    https://akacatholic.com/where-o-lord-is-the-roman-church/

    I don't agree. Where in that article about JP2 does Louie use the terms idolatry, apostasy, pagan worship, or attacks on the priesthood, as he does in his article about Francis?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: SSPX Letter to Members
    « Reply #5 on: November 02, 2019, 07:57:27 AM »
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  • It seems he understands that JP2 wasn't much different: https://akacatholic.com/let-us-feast-remembering-karol-via-jorge/
    In fact I think he is tending to more classic sedevantist: https://akacatholic.com/dual-hierarchy-theory/
    https://akacatholic.com/where-o-lord-is-the-roman-church/
    Louie's position continues to be somewhat of a mystery.  At times he seems to speak as if he is a Bennyvacantist and at other times he seems to be leaning towards full-on sedevacantist.  The only thing he is clear on is that Francis is not pope. I suspect that it is because he is still working it out in his own mind.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: SSPX Letter to Members
    « Reply #6 on: November 05, 2019, 11:31:52 AM »
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  • Did anyone here see the response from the SSPX Canadian site? It seems to be more strongly worded. I'll post it here, and could ye please let me know what you think?

    The Idolatrous Veneration of the Pachamama Statuettes
    October 29, 2019
    Source: fsspx.news

    Whether the Vatican accepts it or not, the “Amazon rite” affair that took place in the Vatican Gardens on October 4 in the presence of Pope Francis, and that of the Pachamama “statuettes” that followed, are far from closed. They require at least some clarification and a mea culpa.

    Worship According to Catholic Theology

    Worship (or cult) is a veneration manifested towards a being because of his or her own excellence or because of his connection with a being worthy of honor, for example an image that represents him. In the first case—that of a person’s own excellence—it is a question of what is called absolute worship; in the second, of relative worship.

     

    St. Thomas recalls that “honor or reverence is due to a rational creature only” (Summa Theologica III:Q.25,a.4). It encompasses under this name the person in general, and not only his human nature. And he adds this second principle that there can be no honor due to insensitive creatures or to objects, except inasmuch as it represents a rational nature. It is never a question of  worship rendered to nonhuman sentient natures—plants or animals—to carefully avoid any danger of idolatry.

    Thus only one person can receive absolute worship. This worship is divided into two types. The adoration of latria is reserved for God alone. Indeed, only God can be adored. The worship of veneration or dulia is applied to those who are filled with the divine glory in Heaven, the angels and the saints who contemplate the face of God. The Most Holy Virgin Mary, queen of the angels and all the saints, receives this worship in its fullness, which is given the name hyperdulia.

    Relative worship is given to some objects in so far as they have had a connection with the person who receives absolute worship, or some images when they represent Him. Thus, the relics of the True Cross receive the adoration of latria, which applies to the very person of Jesus Christ; it is the same with images representing Christ. The remains of the saints, called relics, receive the veneration of dulia, as do the images that represent them.  

    Let us note that the marks of honor rendered to the members of the clergy in the liturgical ceremonies of the Church—inclination, genuflection, incensing—are a relative worship of Christ Who is always the One Who performs the liturgy as the only High Priest of the New Testament, and Who the clergy represents.

    Finally, worship, liturgical or not, is manifested by gestures, attitudes, postures, prayers, which are intended to manifest the inner sentiment: adoration, submission, giving honor, all of which constitute the main part of worship.

    What is Pachamama?

    The Amerindian peoples of the Andes Mountains, especially the Aymara and the Quechua, have been immersed for thousands of years in both animist and polytheistic beliefs dating back at least to the 12th Century BC. Two deities dominate the Andean cosmogony: Viracocha, a type of creator, and Inti, the sun. There has also been added another very important deity, the Pachamama.

    This term comes from Pacha or space-time, two notions that are united in Andean cosmology, and Mama, the mother. The Pachamama thus represents Mother Earth, not only the soil or the earth from a geological point of view, but the earth mother and nature as a whole. She is the protectress of the mountains, wildlife, and travelers. To obtain her protection, specific offerings must be made to her during worship: coca leaves, shisha (corn beer), and shells. It is common to sacrifice camelids: alpacas, guanacos, llamas, or vicuñas. This cult remains very much alive today in populations that still live in an agrarian culture.

    During the evangelization of the Andean countries, the Amerindian divinities were conflated with certain Christian saints. Thus, the Pachamama took on the features of the Virgin Mary and the sun god became Christ. It is well known that polytheism willingly slides into syncretism. It took all the ardor and patience of the missionaries to ward off this danger, which could not always be eradicated. One needs only to think of the number of centuries it took to root out paganism in Europe.

    What the Statuettes Represent

    There is no equivocation on this point, and the pope himself confirmed it at the beginning of the 15th General Congregation of the Synod, according to Vaticannews: these statuettes represent the Pachamama. The Pope added that they were in the Transpontina church “without idolatrous intentions.”

    Quite frankly, this interpretation is inadequate. Whether the Pope likes it or not, the Pachamama is an idol, what’s more it’s an idol that is current and not “antique,” as the site Zenit tries to relativize it.

    Paolo Ruffini, the prefect of the Dicastery for Communication, tries to explain the difficulty: “We have already repeated several times in this place that these statues represented life, fertility, ‘earth’ mother.” In other words, abstractions and concepts.

    Zero Explanation

    This justification does not hold. It is enough to consider the ceremonies performed around these statuettes, in the presence of the pope, to identify religious actions taking place: a true procession to bring these objects into the various places, a prostration on both knees, an installation in the sanctuary, and a prayer vigil. If these are not gestures of worship, what are they?

    Moreover, the Church has never venerated, in any way, abstractions such as those portrayed by Mr. Ruffini. And especially not as represented by an image or a statue, naked no less. If a virtue can be represented by an image—what is called an allegory—it is in no way so as to render worship to it. On the contrary, the Bible is full of divine warnings against improper representations, which always risk being a source of idolatry. Thus fertility, under the features of Astarte, is constantly condemned in the Old Testament. As was still the case regarding Diana of Ephesus in the New Testament.

    Conclusion

    It remains that these ceremonies were objectively idolatrous, whatever the intentions of the participants. Further, they have a marked syncretistic flavor that can only disturb the sense of the faith of the Amazonian peoples who live among the venerators of the goddess Pachamama.

    As for Mother Earth, which returns to creation, its adoration is only the most crude form of paganism, condemned in all the pages of Holy Scripture.

    All that remains is for the Church’s authorities to make the mea culpa needed for this sin, which attacks the First Commandment in a particularly grave way. This is the most serious sin that can be committed.

    And for the true faithful, what remains is to atone for this terrible fault, as we have been invited to do by Fr. Pagliarani, the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X.

    (Bolivia-excepcion/Vaticannews/Zenit – FSSPX.Actualités)