Future popes are not bound by previous popes in matters of discipline. You don't have a slightest clue as to what you are taking about. You don't cite a mere thing. All I hear is your "opinions" which I don't care about. Tell me what Church teaches.

Church cannot create an antichurch. That is a blasphemy. If Montini was a true pope, his liturgy could not harm you any more that St Pius V would be able to harm you with Quo Primum. Capisce?

According to theologian Van Noort, "The Church's infallibility extends to the general discipline of the Church...it can never sanction a universal law which would be at odds with faith or morality or would by its very nature conducive to the injury of souls...The Church's infallibility extends to the general discipline of the Church...By the term "general discipline of the Church" are meant those ecclesiastical laws passed for the direction of Christian worship and Christian living." (See Dogmatic Theology, 2: 114-115).

According to theologian Hermann, "The Church is infallible in her general discipline. By the term general discipline is understood the laws and practices which belong to the external ordering of the whole Church. Such things would be those which concern either external worship, such as liturgy and rubrics, or the administration of the sacraments…" ( See Institutiones Theologiae Dogmaticae 1:258;


Your mental gymnastics to get out of this is lame. How did we get this evil rite? Well, gee pope was pope but his personal opinion created it on this occasion.

How do we now since Montini invoked the same supreme authority of God almighty?

Well Stubborns of the world will say, we just know because it's evil (circular argument much?).

What makes Quo primum an act of the Church wheres Novus ordo promulgation is not? What is evil in Montini's act alone to promulgate a New rite? How do you judge it?

Would you accept Quo Primum at it's face value if you lived in 16th century or would you have to become an armchair theologian in order to see whether papal docuмent was good or evil?

Imagine having a pope where in order to save your faith, you have to reject his rite, dispute his canonisations, disobey his laws, not follow his precepts, not keep feast days he established. A pope where you have to doubt if his "saints" are in heaven or hell, where you have to have a substitute magisterium in Switzerland (sspx) to tell you what to follow and what to not... But hey, hang a picture of him in your chapel and pay a gooood lip service how faithful subject you are to him and how mean and evil sedevacantist are not.. Maybe no one will notice.

Seriously, you cannot make this up. I see no point about this any further. Sectarian mentality is not an easy thing to break, for sure. I will not engage anymore on this topic.

Church cannot create an antichurch. That is a blasphemy. If Montini was a true pope, his liturgy could not harm you any more that St Pius V would be able to harm you with Quo Primum. Capisce?

The pope is not the Church. As I told you already, you need to always remember this, always keep this first and foremost in your mind as it may help you understand your folly when attempting to maintain a vacant chair.

According to theologian Van Noort, "The Church's infallibility extends to the general discipline of the Church...it can never sanction a universal law which would be at odds with faith or morality or would by its very nature conducive to the injury of souls...The Church's infallibility extends to the general discipline of the Church...By the term "general discipline of the Church" are meant those ecclesiastical laws passed for the direction of Christian worship and Christian living." (See Dogmatic Theology, 2: 114-115).
According to theologian Hermann, "The Church is infallible in her general discipline. By the term general discipline is understood the laws and practices which belong to the external ordering of the whole Church. Such things would be those which concern either external worship, such as liturgy and rubrics, or the administration of the sacraments…" ( See Institutiones Theologiae Dogmaticae 1:258;

And again, what is this, the 4th time I've had to remind you that the conciliar church is not the Catholic Church? and the pope is not the Catholic Church? Van Noort is talking about the Catholic Church, not the conciliar church, and not the pope. Keep it straight already, all you do is frustrate yourself when you don't. 

Look, I understand that you need to confuse these things in your attempts to maintain a vacant chair, but if what Van Noort says is true, then what he says is binding because we Catholics are bound by truth. If what he says applies to the conciliar church, then per him, the NO's laws and disciplines are free from error, which means that all trads are the ones in error. OTOH, if what he says is true, and we do believe it is true, then using that truth proves that the conciliar church is not the Catholic Church. That's what it proves, that's what it should prove to you beyond any shadow of a doubt. 

See how that works now?

Your mental gymnastics to get out of this is lame. How did we get this evil rite? Well, gee pope was pope but his personal opinion created it on this occasion.

You're the one using mental gymnastics, and I do understand it because you have no choice in the matter if you're going to maintain a vacant chair, and make no mistake about it, you MUST start with a vacant chair in order to end with a vacant chair.

Seriously, you cannot make this up. I see no point about this any further. Sectarian mentality is not an easy thing to break, for sure. I will not engage anymore on this topic.

Good, best to stop until you learn more about the faith, remember that sedeism does not solve anything, does not answer anything, and only succeeds in creating more problems. God Bless you.   

The neo-SSPX sure seems to think so.  That's not how it was though.  Archbishop Lefebvre had his own doubts.  But as long as the question is open, you cannot just take out the una cuм yourself.

In things doubtful, liberty of opinion.  But in action, one must submit personal opinions to the safest course.  For example, if one is personally convinced that Father N was validly ordained in the new rite last year, he's perfectly welcome to hold that opinion.  But the question is open, so you must conditionally re-ordain to be safe.  The neo-SSPX got that wrong too.

I don't see a safest course in the Pope question. To me, there are relatively good arguments on either side. This is why I don't agree with you.

Where you lose me is that you won't go to a Mass that has invalid priests or bishops, which means you won't go to a mass said by Pope Francis, but he is still the head of the Catholic church. Can you explain your reasoning here?

Do you go to a novus ordo chapel?

Where you lose me is that you won't go to a Mass that has invalid priests or bishops, which means you won't go to a mass said by Pope Francis, but you, Stubborn, still think that Pope Francis is the head of the Catholic church. Can you explain your reasoning here?

In this message I think I said something confusing. I was replying to Stubborn, who thinks Pope Francis is the Pope, but attending Pope Francis' Mass is wrong. The correction is in bold above.

The celebrant is irrelevant, the Novus Ordo mass is sacrilege valid priest or not. I would recommend reading The Great Sacrilege by Fr. Wathen, I'm sure Stubborn would as well


https://isidore.co/CalibreLibrary/Wathen,%20Fr.%20James%20F_/The%20Great%20Sacrilege%20(6303)/

On another note, thank you for inadvertently helping me find the Isidore library. I had completely forgotten the name of it and have been trying to find it for a while. It was one of the first results when I went looking for a pdf of The Great Sacrilege

Great library. Thank you, Geremia, in case you are reading this.

Great library. Thank you, Geremia, in case you are reading this.

This was all Geremia? Wow!

Unless I am mistaken, the website belongs to him: https://isidore.co/

Yes, that's him:
 

Hello,

You are invited to join the new  St. Isidore forum, which I host myself (along with the St. Isidore e-book library):
https://isidore.co

I can make you an admin if you'd like to help build the St. Isidore community.

Some more info about it:
I host it, it's secure (TLS / HTTPS: A+ security ratings here and here), it supports IPv6, uses bleeding-edge SMF version, and the server software name is "There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church." (as it says here) :) There may be some kinks to be worked out and mods for extra functionality to be installed, but with your help and interest, perhaps this forum can be the new scholarly forum akin to St. Bellarmine Forum, which is now shut down.

If you have any questions or encounter any problems, please let me know.

God bless.
Geremia
(on the External Feast of Corpus Christi, 2016)