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How the Agents of Error do their thing
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  • 12 July 2012

    The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies

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    The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)

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    1. COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
    2. Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
    3. Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
    4. How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
    5. Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
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    COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

    There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

    Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

    If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

    Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

    A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

    Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

    Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

    Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

    Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

    Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

    Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

    Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

    It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

    CONCLUSION

    Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.
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    Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

    Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.

    1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

    2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

    3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

    4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

    5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sɛҳuąƖ deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

    7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

    8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

    9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

    10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

    11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

    12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

    13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.

    14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

    15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

    16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

    17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

    18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

    19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

    20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

    21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.

    22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

    23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

    24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.

    25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.
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    Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

    1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

    2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

    3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

    4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

    5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on cօռspιʀαcιҽs? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

    6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial.

    Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo.

    With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

    7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

    I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

    8) Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

    a) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

    b) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command.

    c) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

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    How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)

    One way to neutralize a potential activist is to get them to be in a group that does all the wrong things. Why?

    1) The message doesn't get out.
    2) A lot of time is wasted
    3) The activist is frustrated and discouraged
    4) Nothing good is accomplished.

    FBI and Police Informers and Infiltrators will infest any group and they have phoney activist organizations established.

    Their purpose is to prevent any real movement for justice or eco-peace from developing in this country.

    Agents come in small, medium or large. They can be of any ethnic background. They can be male or female.

    The actual size of the group or movement being infiltrated is irrelevant. It is the potential the movement has for becoming large which brings on the spies and saboteurs.

    This booklet lists tactics agents use to slow things down, foul things up, destroy the movement and keep tabs on activists.

    It is the agent's job to keep the activist from quitting such a group, thus keeping him/her under control.

    In some situations, to get control, the agent will tell the activist:

    "You're dividing the movement."

    [Here, I have added the psychological reasons as to WHY this maneuver works to control people]

    This invites guilty feelings. Many people can be controlled by guilt. The agents begin relationships with activists behind a well-developed mask of "dedication to the cause." Because of their often declared dedication, (and actions designed to prove this), when they criticize the activist, he or she - being truly dedicated to the movement - becomes convinced that somehow, any issues are THEIR fault. This is because a truly dedicated person tends to believe that everyone has a conscience and that nobody would dissimulate and lie like that "on purpose." It's amazing how far agents can go in manipulating an activist because the activist will constantly make excuses for the agent who regularly declares their dedication to the cause. Even if they do, occasionally, suspect the agent, they will pull the wool over their own eyes by rationalizing: "they did that unconsciously... they didn't really mean it... I can help them by being forgiving and accepting " and so on and so forth.

    The agent will tell the activist:

    "You're a leader!"

    This is designed to enhance the activist's self-esteem. His or her narcissistic admiration of his/her own activist/altruistic intentions increase as he or she identifies with and consciously admires the altruistic declarations of the agent which are deliberately set up to mirror those of the activist.

    This is "malignant pseudoidentification." It is the process by which the agent consciously imitates or simulates a certain behavior to foster the activist's identification with him/her, thus increasing the activist's vulnerability to exploitation. The agent will simulate the more subtle self-concepts of the activist.

    Activists and those who have altruistic self-concepts are most vulnerable to malignant pseudoidentification especially during work with the agent when the interaction includes matter relating to their competency, autonomy, or knowledge.

    The goal of the agent is to increase the activist's general empathy for the agent through pseudo-identification with the activist's self-concepts.

    The most common example of this is the agent who will compliment the activist for his competency or knowledge or value to the movement. On a more subtle level, the agent will simulate affects and mannerisms of the activist which promotes identification via mirroring and feelings of "twinship". It is not unheard of for activists, enamored by the perceived helpfulness and competence of a good agent, to find themselves considering ethical violations and perhaps, even illegal behavior, in the service of their agent/handler.

    The activist's "felt quality of perfection" [self-concept] is enhanced, and a strong empathic bond is developed with the agent through his/her imitation and simulation of the victim's own narcissistic investments. [self-concepts] That is, if the activist knows, deep inside, their own dedication to the cause, they will project that onto the agent who is "mirroring" them.

    The activist will be deluded into thinking that the agent shares this feeling of identification and bonding. In an activist/social movement setting, the adversarial roles that activists naturally play vis a vis the establishment/government, fosters ongoing processes of intrapsychic splitting so that "twinship alliances" between activist and agent may render whole sectors or reality testing unavailable to the activist. They literally "lose touch with reality."

    Activists who deny their own narcissistic investments [do not have a good idea of their own self-concepts and that they ARE concepts] and consciously perceive themselves (accurately, as it were) to be "helpers" endowed with a special amount of altruism are exceedingly vulnerable to the affective (emotional) simulation of the accomplished agent.

    Empathy is fostered in the activist through the expression of quite visible affects. The presentation of tearfulness, sadness, longing, fear, remorse, and guilt, may induce in the helper-oriented activist a strong sense of compassion, while unconsciously enhancing the activist's narcissistic investment in self as the embodiment of goodness.

    The agent's expresssion of such simulated affects may be quite compelling to the observer and difficult to distinguish from deep emotion.

    It can usually be identified by two events, however:

    First, the activist who has analyzed his/her own narcissistic roots and is aware of his/her own potential for being "emotionally hooked," will be able to remain cool and unaffected by such emotional outpourings by the agent.

    As a result of this unaffected, cool, attitude, the Second event will occur: The agent will recompensate much too quickly following such an affective expression leaving the activist with the impression that "the play has ended, the curtain has fallen," and the imposture, for the moment, has finished. The agent will then move quickly to another activist/victim.

    The fact is, the movement doesn't need leaders, it needs MOVERS. "Follow the leader" is a waste of time.

    A good agent will want to meet as often as possible. He or she will talk a lot and say little. One can expect an onslaught of long, unresolved discussions.

    Some agents take on a pushy, arrogant, or defensive manner:

    1) To disrupt the agenda
    2) To side-track the discussion
    3) To interrupt repeatedly
    4) To feign ignorance
    5) To make an unfounded accusation against a person.

    Calling someone a racist, for example. This tactic is used to discredit a person in the eyes of all other group members.

    Saboteurs

    Some saboteurs pretend to be activists. She or he will ....

    1) Write encyclopedic flyers (in the present day, websites)
    2) Print flyers in English only.
    3) Have demonstrations in places where no one cares.
    4) Solicit funding from rich people instead of grass roots support
    5) Display banners with too many words that are confusing.
    6) Confuse issues.
    7) Make the wrong demands.
    Cool Compromise the goal.
    9) Have endless discussions that waste everyone's time. The agent may accompany the endless discussions with drinking, pot smoking or other amusement to slow down the activist's work.

    Provocateurs

    1) Want to establish "leaders" to set them up for a fall in order to stop the movement.
    2) Suggest doing foolish, illegal things to get the activists in trouble.
    3) Encourage militancy.
    4) Want to taunt the authorities.
    5) Attempt to make the activist compromise their values.
    6) Attempt to instigate violence. Activisim ought to always be non-violent.
    7) Attempt to provoke revolt among people who are ill-prepared to deal with the reaction of the authorities to such violence.

    Informants

    1) Want everyone to sign up and sing in and sign everything.
    2) Ask a lot of questions (gathering data).
    3) Want to know what events the activist is planning to attend.
    4) Attempt to make the activist defend him or herself to identify his or her beliefs, goals, and level of committment.

    Recruiting

    Legitimate activists do not subject people to hours of persuasive dialog. Their actions, beliefs, and goals speak for themselves.

    Groups that DO recruit are missionaries, military, and fake political parties or movements set up by agents.

    Surveillance

    ALWAYS assume that you are under surveillance.

    At this point, if you are NOT under surveillance, you are not a very good activist!

    Scare Tactics

    They use them.

    Such tactics include slander, defamation, threats, getting close to disaffected or minimally committed fellow activists to persuade them (via psychological tactics described above) to turn against the movement and give false testimony against their former compatriots. They will plant illegal substances on the activist and set up an arrest; they will plant false information and set up "exposure," they will send incriminating letters [emails] in the name of the activist; and more; they will do whatever society will allow.

    This booklet in no way covers all the ways agents use to sabotage the lives of sincere an dedicated activists.

    If an agent is "exposed," he or she will be transferred or replaced.

    COINTELPRO is still in operation today under a different code name. It is no longer placed on paper where it can be discovered through the freedom of information act.

    The FBI counterintelligence program's stated purpose: To expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, and otherwise neutralize individuals who the FBI categorize as opposed to the National Interests. "National Security" means the FBI's security from the people ever finding out the vicious things it does in violation of people's civil liberties.

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    Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

    Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

    1. Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.

    2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the "How dare you?" gambit.

    3. Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believe the "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or "hysterical.")

    4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

    5. Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nutcase," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and, of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.

    6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

    7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

    8. Dismiss the charges as "old news."

    9. Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking the limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.

    10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

    11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster "ѕυιcιdє" note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven't reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.

    12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

    13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.

    14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.

    15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.

    16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose" scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.

    17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?" Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.
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    (Do we know anyone trying to suppress the truth?)


    Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

    Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

    1. Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.

    2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the "How dare you?" gambit.

    3. Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believe the "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or "hysterical.")

    4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

    5. Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nutcase," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and, of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.

    6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

    7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

    8. Dismiss the charges as "old news."

    9. Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking the limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.

    10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

    11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster "ѕυιcιdє" note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven't reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.

    12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

    13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.

    14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.

    15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.

    16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose" scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.

    17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?" Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 14, 2013, 12:21:55 PM »
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    Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression...
    13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.


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    I'm glad someone around here has the energy for all that fine print.
    You know to get through law school you have to read stuff like that.


    Mr. "Neil Obstat",

    It appears that you have responded well to your training; rather than reading the "fine print" and making needed adjustments to your EVIL tactics.  
    May God have mercy on your soul.

    St. Joseph, Pray for us.
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    « Reply #3 on: July 14, 2013, 04:10:43 PM »
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  • I see Sola Virtus Invicta. Now I know where you stand. That's good, really good! I am used to that. Our Lord was accused of the same (See Bible).


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    I see Sola Virtus Invicta. Now I know where you stand. That's good, really good! I am used to that. Our Lord was accused of the same (See Bible).


    Dear "Elsa Zardini",

    What do "you see"?

    Where do "I stand"?

    And finally, what is the reference in Sacred Scripture [Bible] you are referring to?

    Thank you,
    Curtis Bartel


    P.S. Just so you know (for the future success of your agitations/provocations), "traditional Catholics" do not use the word "Bible". They generally use the word Sacred Scripture.  Are you overworked and underpaid "Elsa"?  Or, are you at the beginning of your "on the job training"?  Maybe you should observe this particular forum a little longer before you "jump into the fray"?  On average, "traditional Catholics" are pretty sharp. Except, of course, when their pride and egos are subtly stroked; then, they tend to "fall on their own sword".  Also, they certainly get dull witted when they stop praying for much needed graces.  But just keep them "hotly engaged" and distracted from fighting the real enemies of their souls [World, Flesh, Devil].  For it seems to be doing the trick so far.  Although, I DO BELIEVE some have already stopped posting here for various good reasons; however, there are still a few around to "play with".  

    In all sincerity:
    May Christ the King bless you "Elsa", whoever you are; and if God has mercy on my soul (in order to "keep the faith" 2 Tim. 4:7), I hope to see you in heaven one day. May God's will be done!!!




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    « Reply #7 on: July 17, 2013, 05:40:17 PM »
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    Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression...

    13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.


    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    I'm glad someone around here has the energy for all that fine print.
    You know, to get through law school, you have to read stuff like that.


    Mr. "Neil Obstat",

    It appears that you have responded well to your training; rather than reading the "fine print" and making needed adjustments to your EVIL tactics.  
    May God have mercy on your soul.

    St. Joseph, Pray for us.
    Curtis Bartel

    Oh Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee, and for those who do not have recourse to thee, especially the Freemasons and those commended to thy care.



    Good heavens, how did I manage to yank your chain??

    My "training?"  What do you know about my training?  Or, if I was ever
    "trained" at all?

    My "EVIL tactics?"   Do you normally hurl judgmental language around?  
    Or is this a special occasion?  Perhaps you are in the business of
    providing penances for others, and if so, you're doing a good job.  

    Thank you.  You see, Catholics can take abuse, for they can transform
    it into a blessing by making it a voluntary sacrifice, but be careful how
    you dish it out in the real world, because it's not natural for natural
    man to cope with it.  Alternatively, if you call a satanist "evil" he'll
    likely take it as a compliment.  The word "wicked" for example, is a
    term of endearment in Boston, Mass.


    I do appreciate your asking God to have mercy on my soul however,
    and I hope He might have likewise mercy on yours.


    God bless you, "Curtis Bartel," whoever you are.  


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    « Reply #8 on: July 17, 2013, 05:58:44 PM »
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    and I hope He might have likewise mercy on yours.


    God bless you, "Curtis Bartel," whoever you are.



    Good response "Neil Obstat".

    Thank you, and God bless you too, whoever you are.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 18, 2013, 09:34:05 PM »
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  • Sola,

    "Evil tactics"? "Dim-witted"?  "Agitator"?  
    "Provocateur'? Whoa, friend!

    Why, we might ask, was Our Blessed Lord so nasty? St. Mathew (xv,21-8 ) records what could almost be called an altercation with the Canaanite woman.Every retort of Our Lord
    seems more stern than the last.  Why ?

    "Send her away!", " for she is crying after us (and bothering us)", begged His disciples.
    "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David-- my daughter is severely possessed by a demon"
    The Christ ignored her! Wow !
    Finally, God said to the woman: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel ( get lost!) " The woman, however, manifesting a faith greater than that of some of Christ's chosen,
    came and knelt before Him, pleading, "Lord, HELP ME!"

    What did the Lord do? Rebuked her again-- told her to beat it! "It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs ( get out of here, you dog )!"

    Kicked out, rebuked, smacked down-- does the Canaanite woman crawl away like she should? Like we would were we so badly treated? No! She comes back to her Lord:
    "Yes, my Lord, but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their Master's table."

    Unbelievable! The King of the universe giving this Canaanite "dog" the opportunity
    to teach His chosen disciples, and generations of sinners, what true faith is!

    "O woman, great is your faith. Be it done for you as you desire." The daughter was healed
    instantly!

    Can we believe this? For this moment in time, Almighty God gave to this Canaanite woman
    the power of Himself! And all the people witnessed it! She hadn't even been accepted into
    the Church. Yet, she believed! Do we believe?

    Most of us do not have such faith. Christ asked, which would be easier, raise from the dead or forgive one's sins? " of course", we would say-- "it's much easier to forgive us our sins!" And, we say this so emphatically! Then, move onto the next decade and repeat, for the millionth time, "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."

          But we don't. We neither forgive nor do we believe. We, in fact, egg our.brethren on to greater infractions and sins, so we can then proclaim before His Majesty, "O Lord, I wasn 't like that other sinner, Mr. So and so."

         But not the Canaanite woman. She knew she wasn't worthy; but she also knew Jesus was Almighty God, and with Him, all things are possible--eternal life AND physical life!
          Our Blessed Lord had been so harsh on her to draw her along-- to draw her to Himself-- to confirm her steadfastness in that faith which was deep inside her. He needed to do this to also instruct and confirm His disciples, and, of course, ourselves.

         And He showed His true followers that bringing someone back to
    Life was, in a manner of speaking, child's play. Hadn't He given them life to
    Begin with?

         But to pronounce "Thy sins are forgiven-- Go, and sin no more!"
    That's the real miracle. For that miracle requires a change of heart. It requires the faith
    Of the Canaanite woman. It requires willingness to accept what we think is correction, and sternness, and provocative talk, and agitation, and what we carelessly call evil tactics. For those sheep of the house of Israel, they will see these for what they are: warning harnesses so we don't fall down the precipice.

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    Our Blessed Lord had been so harsh on her to draw her along-- to draw her to Himself-- to confirm her steadfastness in that faith which was deep inside her. He needed to do this to also instruct and confirm His disciples, and, of course, ourselves.

         And He showed His true followers that bringing someone back to
    Life was, in a manner of speaking, child's play. Hadn't He given them life to
    Begin with?

         But to pronounce "Thy sins are forgiven-- Go, and sin no more!"
    That's the real miracle. For that miracle requires a change of heart. It requires the faith
    Of the Canaanite woman. It requires willingness to accept what we think is correction, and sternness, and provocative talk, and agitation, and what we carelessly call evil tactics. For those sheep of the house of Israel, they will see these for what they are: warning harnesses so we don't fall down the precipice.


    Dear Mr. "hugeman",

    If you truly believe what you just stated above, then why would you appear to "stroke the ego" of another soul [Matthew the moderator]?  Please see quote directly below.  

    Your words might have kept him from experiencing personal conviction over his tactics of fighting (which may lack in chivalry); and therefore, stunt the growth of his soul toward Jesus Christ & heaven.
     
    There seems to be some contradiction in what you say, and how you act.  (In more ways than one.)

    Please clarify your position; and if your Faith will allow, please use your true namesake.  "Fear not!"

    Thank you,

    Curtis Bartel
    Kalispell, Montana

    Quote from: In "The Lord Rebuke thee" thread on June 5, 2013 "hugemand"

    Mathew,

    Fear not!

     The writer is obviously talking OF the traitors-- the ones who had the truth which was handed down to them from Almighty God through the Catholic Church, through Archbishop Lefebvre. And they have now denied it-- they have set themselves up with heretics and whores, and immoral personages.

     Even though they were rescued out of Egypt ( the N.O.), and brought into the promised land of salvation in the True Church, they secretly desired to lay with those evil men, and they were then slain into hell. It is a fearful thought. This must be why Our Lord rebukes them, and why the O P feels he must also rebuke them.
     


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  • All right Curtis Bartel from Kalispell, Montana, or from London, England (please be careful they might be using your Curtis Bartel!) The question is simple: are you pro Monseñor Williamson (see paragraph on the bottom of each page in cathInfo) or not. Yes or No. Very simple. Que sea anatema (You). Read the Bible- preparing an article about your Bible/Sacred Scriptures. Likewise, preparing an article about Adolphuses. This is coming along really well. Thank you God Triune and Holy Mother.

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    Our Blessed Lord had been so harsh on her to draw her along-- to draw her to Himself-- to confirm her steadfastness in that faith which was deep inside her. He needed to do this to also instruct and confirm His disciples, and, of course, ourselves.

         And He showed His true followers that bringing someone back to
    Life was, in a manner of speaking, child's play. Hadn't He given them life to
    Begin with?

         But to pronounce "Thy sins are forgiven-- Go, and sin no more!"
    That's the real miracle. For that miracle requires a change of heart. It requires the faith
    Of the Canaanite woman. It requires willingness to accept what we think is correction, and sternness, and provocative talk, and agitation, and what we carelessly call evil tactics. For those sheep of the house of Israel, they will see these for what they are: warning harnesses so we don't fall down the precipice.


    Dear Mr. "hugeman",

    If you truly believe what you just stated above, then why would you appear to "stroke the ego" of another soul [Matthew the moderator]?  Please see quote directly below.  

    Your words might have kept him from experiencing personal conviction over his tactics of fighting (which may lack in chivalry); and therefore, stunt the growth of his soul toward Jesus Christ & heaven.
     
    There seems to be some contradiction in what you say, and how you act.  (In more ways than one.)

    Please clarify your position; and if your Faith will allow, please use your true namesake.  "Fear not!"

    Thank you,

    Curtis Bartel
    Kalispell, Montana

    Quote from: In "The Lord Rebuke thee" thread on June 5, 2013 "hugemand"

    Mathew,

    Fear not!

     The writer is obviously talking OF the traitors-- the ones who had the truth which was handed down to them from Almighty God through the Catholic Church, through Archbishop Lefebvre. And they have now denied it-- they have set themselves up with heretics and whores, and immoral personages.

     Even though they were rescued out of Egypt ( the N.O.), and brought into the promised land of salvation in the True Church, they secretly desired to lay with those evil men, and they were then slain into hell. It is a fearful thought. This must be why Our Lord rebukes them, and why the O P feels he must also rebuke them.
     


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    "Stroke the Ego"??
    I "stunted the growth of his soul" ??

    Most on these fora search for wisdom and understanding, truth and knowledge. I could be wrong, but some apparently seek to sow dissension and confusion.

    At any rate, Our Lord taught us not to throw our pearls amongst the swine.

    To borrow from Bp. Fellay, trying to justify his support of religious liberty. 'Oh, I didn 't mean any of that-- I just knew it would play well in the press!'

    But, more on point, to borrow from Pope Leo XIII, 'when you demonstrate you want to learn the Catholic Faith,then come see us-- we have the true faith-- there 's no reason for ud to dialogue with mischievous Novus Ordites.'

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  • Dear "hugeman",

    You may well pass as a "traditional Catholic"; however, you do not speak or act as a faithful Roman Catholic: A soul who lives and acts according to ALL the principles and teachings of Jesus Christ the King. (Please "feel free" to look at any of my previous posts here on CathInfo OR on Ignis Ardens.)

    There is a difference; and it will be the difference between heaven or hell.

    Please convert to the True Faith.

    May The Immaculatta grant you the Grace,
    Curtis Bartel

    Then came to him from Jerusalem scribes and Pharisees, saying: Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the ancients? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answering, said to them: "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for your tradition? For God said:  Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death. But you say: Whosoever shall say to father or mother, The gift whatsoever proceedeth from me, shall profit thee.  And he shall not honour his father or his mother: and you have made void the commandment of God for your tradition. Hypocrites, well hath Isaias prophesied of you, saying: This people honoureth me with their lips: but their heart is far from me. And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men. And having called together the multitudes unto him, he said to them: Hear ye and understand.
    Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Then came his disciples, and said to him: Dost thou know that the Pharisees, when they heard this word, were scandalized? But he answering them, said: Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they are blind, and leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the pit. And Peter answering, said to him: Expound to us this parable.
    But he said: Are you also yet without understanding? Do you not understand, that whatsoever entereth into the mouth, goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the privy? But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man."
    Jesus Christ the King (Matthew 15:1-18)

    The gift: That is, the offering that I shall make to God, shall be instead of that which should be expended for thy profit. This tradition of the Pharisees was calculated to enrich themselves; by exempting children from giving any further assistance to their parents, if they once offered to the temple and the priests, that which should have been the support of their parents. But this was a violation of the law of God, and of nature, which our Saviour here condemns.

    Commandments of men: The doctrines and commandments here reprehended are such as are either contrary to the law of God, (as that of neglecting parents, under pretence of giving to God,) or at least are frivolous, unprofitable, and no ways conducing to true piety, as that of often washing hands, etc., without regard to the purity of the heart. But as to the rules and ordinances of the holy church, touching fasts, festivals, etc., these are no ways repugnant to, but highly agreeable to God's holy word, and all Christian piety: neither are they to be counted among the doctrines and commandments of men; because they proceed not from mere human authority; but from that which Christ has established in his church; whose pastors he has commanded us to hear and obey, even as himself. St. Luke 10. 16; St. Matt. 18. 17.

    Not that which goeth into: No uncleanness in meat, nor any dirt contracted by eating it with unwashed hands, can defile the soul: but sin alone; or a disobedience of the heart to the ordinance and will of God. And thus when Adam took the forbidden fruit, it was not the apple, which entered into the mouth, but the disobedience to the law of God which defiled him. The same is to be said if a Jєω, in the time of the old law, had eaten swine's flesh; or a Christian convert, in the days of the apostles, contrary to their ordinance, had eaten blood; or if any of the faithful at present should transgress the ordinance of God's church, by breaking the fasts: for in all these cases the soul would be defiled; not indeed by that which goeth into the mouth; but by the disobedience of the heart, in wilfully transgressing the ordinance of God, or of those who have their authority from him.

    And Jesus answering, spoke again in parables to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is likened to a king, who made a marriage for his son. And he sent his servants, to call them that were invited to the marriage; and they would not come. Again he sent other servants, saying: Tell them that were invited, Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my calves and fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come ye to the marriage. But they neglected, and went their own ways, one to his farm, and another to his merchandise. And the rest laid hands on his servants, and having treated them contumeliously, put them to death. But when the king had heard of it, he was angry, and sending his armies, he destroyed those murderers, and burnt their city. Then he saith to his servants: The marriage indeed is ready; but they that were invited were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways; and as many as you shall find, call to the marriage. And his servants going forth into the ways, gathered together all that they found, both bad and good: and the marriage was filled with guests. And the king went in to see the guests: and he saw there a man who had not on a wedding garment. And he saith to him: Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? But he was silent. Then the king said to the waiters: Bind his hands and feet, and cast him into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen." Then the Pharisees going, consulted among themselves how to ensnare him in his speech.
    Jesus Christ the King (Matthew 22:1-15)