Author Topic: How many priests and religious has the SSPX lost yet ? (Read 14038 times)

Nobody · « **on:** March 14, 2014, 11:39:43 PM »

Does anyone know how many priests and religious the SSPX has lost to the Resistance ? Is there any score or register being kept ? I know Traditio has put up a list, but I don't trust them. I'd rather double check elsewhere..

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2014, 11:57:04 PM »

Why not ask them for a current directory?

poche · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2014, 12:45:03 AM »

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Why not ask them for a current directory?

There is a thread on Cite.catholique which has the statistics from last year. See if you can find the statistics from this year and compare it to last year.

http://www.cite-catholique.org/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=28021

Frances · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2014, 12:46:57 AM »

:dancing-banana:
I was told about 82 total directly from the sspx have left or been expelled since 2012. The number includes cloistered religious. About 15 more will almost definitely be "purged" in the spring or summer. That will make 100 of how many? Bp. Fellay will no doubt be able to carry on without them, but to what end? He will be remembered as the bishop who sold out?

stgobnait · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2014, 06:11:04 AM »

when i came to sspx first, and saw the little congregation, i balked. then they told me, its not about numbers. same applies to the resistance,we hope for growth, and believe it will come, so those who want to join rome should do so now, what are they waiting for?

Wessex · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2014, 06:21:50 AM »

The Society has always lost priests, that is why it took such a long time to pass the 500 mark. One would expect the new direction towards Rome would see changes in the type of candidate it is seeking. Also, I expect it has allowed for a continuing trickle of existing priests leaving while the new programme bites, as well as making provision for those that need neutralising. This all has to be seen in the light of Menzingen reversing ABL's dramatic reaction to the new church and wanting to blend in with those bodies on the fringes of the mainstream.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2014, 10:50:21 AM »

I saw Fr. Tim Pfeiffer's name on Traditio's list a couple of days ago. Did he finally join his brother in the resistance?

stgobnait · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2014, 11:18:43 AM »

nope.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2014, 11:55:25 AM »

Nobody cares.

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Does anyone know how many priests and religious the SSPX has lost to the Resistance ? Is there any score or register being kept ? I know Traditio has put up a list, but I don't trust them. I'd rather double check elsewhere..

Nobody · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2014, 12:58:42 PM »

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Nobody cares.

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Does anyone know how many priests and religious the SSPX has lost to the Resistance ? Is there any score or register being kept ? I know Traditio has put up a list, but I don't trust them. I'd rather double check elsewhere..

I care.

I believe a lot of lukewarm people think of the Resistance as a bunch of celebrity priests, who became proud and disobedient. If we can show them that the number of priests is significant, they may realize that maybe there's more to the story and start investigating. Yes I know, it's not about numbers, but if we can use numbers to get people started, then why not.

I wonder if some people in the Resistance are already starting to make the same mistake as those in the Novus Ordo and SSPX : "WE have found a comfy spot, WE are on the right track, don't worry about the rest, leave me alone."

Centroamerica · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2014, 07:01:16 PM »

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Nobody cares.

Quote from: Nobody
Does anyone know how many priests and religious the SSPX has lost to the Resistance ? Is there any score or register being kept ? I know Traditio has put up a list, but I don't trust them. I'd rather double check elsewhere..

I care.

I believe a lot of lukewarm people think of the Resistance as a bunch of celebrity priests, who became proud and disobedient. If we can show them that the number of priests is significant, they may realize that maybe there's more to the story and start investigating. Yes I know, it's not about numbers, but if we can use numbers to get people started, then why not.

I wonder if some people in the Resistance are already starting to make the same mistake as those in the Novus Ordo and SSPX : "WE have found a comfy spot, WE are on the right track, don't worry about the rest, leave me alone."

Obviously that was meant to be a bit of much needed humor. Please take my posts with a grain of salt.

Of course I care about our priests.

cathman7 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2014, 07:10:08 PM »

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I saw Fr. Tim Pfeiffer's name on Traditio's list a couple of days ago. Did he finally join his brother in the resistance?

I glanced over that list and saw many errors. First off, there are priests on that list who were not even members of the SSPX. It is a bit disingenuous to include priests of having "abandoned" Bishop Fellay who never belonged to the SSPX in the first place. Also there are many factual errors. So apparently Fr. Cyprian from Brazil has "abandoned" Bp. Fellay. Ummm...okay. Also Fr. Stehlin is on the list....okay.

My point is that NO ONE in the Trad world should take anything Traditio posts seriously. I am surprised people go to Traditio for news.

Mabel · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2014, 08:14:30 PM »

Quote from: obscurus

Quote from: hollingsworth
I saw Fr. Tim Pfeiffer's name on Traditio's list a couple of days ago. Did he finally join his brother in the resistance?

I glanced over that list and saw many errors. First off, there are priests on that list who were not even members of the SSPX. It is a bit disingenuous to include priests of having "abandoned" Bishop Fellay who never belonged to the SSPX in the first place. Also there are many factual errors. So apparently Fr. Cyprian from Brazil has "abandoned" Bp. Fellay. Ummm...okay. Also Fr. Stehlin is on the list....okay.

My point is that NO ONE in the Trad world should take anything Traditio posts seriously. I am surprised people go to Traditio for news.

I totally agreed. Having been duped by them regarding ordinations and safe places to go to mass, TWICE, coupled with their inaccurate "news," I don't see how anyone can patronize them in good conscience. Something I was involved in was reported by them once, while it was not in a bad light, the news story was completely inaccurate.

hugeman · « **Reply #13 on:** March 16, 2014, 08:34:39 AM »

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I saw Fr. Tim Pfeiffer's name on Traditio's list a couple of days ago. Did he finally join his brother in the resistance?

No-- He has not. He is firmly within the clutches of the new thinking-- and , like all the priests of the Asian district under Fr. Couture, has been promoting the aggionamento with the conciliar religion for a long time. Many of them have never, basically, disagreed with the conciliar religion-- that's why they accept the pres-by-ters as priests to work with them. Some are "insistent", to some degree, of some kind of a doctrinal resolution-- but they were firmly behind Ratzinger, and all his heresies; and are thus firmly behind Bergoglio, and all his antics-- even if they do want to go slower, and retain the flavor of traditionalism.

Thanks, Pooch, for that suggestion!

Thanks, Cath Info, for the Shamrocks and the wearin' of the Green!. Maybe St. Patrick will smile tomorrow!

overmind · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2014, 09:59:56 AM »

I find this "It's not about numbers" rhetoric a little hypocritical for the simple reason that if the resistance DID have the numbers they would be using the numbers as a justification.

I have certainly heard sermons in the past where when a church is packed the priest will use this argument as a demonstration of success. Equally, I have seen cartoons lampooning modernist churches with hardly any congregation.

What's sauce for the goose ...

Personally, I agree, that it shouldn't be about numbers but numbers is often used as a justification.