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Re: How low some Trads have fallen
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2018, 10:34:51 PM »
Did I miss something how did we get from foolish Bob to Valtora?  

Re: How low some Trads have fallen
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2018, 12:39:29 AM »
Did I miss something how did we get from foolish Bob to Valtora?  
They have foolishness in common ;)


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Re: How low some Trads have fallen
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2018, 07:20:37 AM »
I'm sorry, but many of you missed the point. I said right at the beginning that Bob might have been just too busy/annoyed with the bulletin e-mails.

But if you're a deep thinker, a philosopher, there is much more there.

For example, even if you HATE what is known as "the Resistance" today, what guarantee do you have that another such movement won't be 100% necessary in the future? Unless you think the SSPX is sitting on a SUPERIOR promise from Christ than the official Catholic Church has. And there is nothing fundamentally evil -- or even undesirable -- about a Resistance movement in the abstract. A word to the wise: the Traditional Movement is VERY MUCH a "Resistance" movement.

This man has ruled out "resistance" for the rest of his life. He's done going against the grain. The only thing he's "game for" at this point is showing up at an established Trad chapel -- he hopes that will be available and continue until he receives Extreme Unction and dies. All the best of luck to him. But some of us have to plan for the long haul. When I see apologetics for Vatican II appearing in a concerted pattern out of the highest levels of the SSPX, I can read the writing on the wall. I have kids to raise Traditional Catholic.

The man in question is older, BTW. Probably about retirement age. It's sad to see the 1st Generation of Trads totally weary and cowardly of The Fight. This generation was responsible for putting together and setting up most of the Trad chapels we have today -- but now, if Vatican II happened again, many in this same generation would stay behind and keep their heads down this time around. Sad.

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Re: How low some Trads have fallen
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2018, 07:27:58 AM »
Another point I forgot to mention --

Maybe he wanted the regular (once a month) e-mails to stop, because each one tweaked his conscience. They were constant reminders that he is attending a comfortable, FSSP type chapel every Sunday with NO effort, NO fight, NO resistance of any kind, and our chapel is what his chapel USED to be. We have the fervor, the fidelity, and the fight that his group USED to have.

Perhaps the reminder makes him uncomfortable.

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Re: How low some Trads have fallen
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2018, 07:33:00 AM »
Agree.  There are plenty of people i've talked to who swallow errors #1-4 above, but based on "Bob's" short reply, it's hard to assume he falls into these categories.

Except he's cutting off communication with the one Resistance group in his area. He thinks he's LITERALLY NEVER going to need it. What, logically, can you conclude from that?
"Not only is there nothing dangerous or ominous in the SSPX today, but there never WILL BE!" That's a lot of misplaced human faith right there. I detect a bit of SSPX Exceptionalism here. In other words, the belief that the SSPX is "special" or confusing the SSPX with the Catholic Church itself. "Extra SSPX Nulla Salus" and all that.

The Conciliar Church (which most of us boycott completely, even if we have no other option for Mass) has a promise from Christ Himself that "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." What has the SSPX got?

Even if I were pacified or convinced of EACH of the anti-Resistance arguments (by the likes of John McFarland, for example), no one would EVER convince me that resistance to the SSPX is fundamentally wrong or unnecessary, and would always be so until the end of time. Re-read my sentence in bold, above.