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Offline Stubborn

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Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2017, 08:54:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: GJC on September 18, 2017, 08:47:50 AM
    Okay, let me rephrase the question. What organization is Francis the pope of?
    You skipped some questions.......
    What leads you to believe and makes you think that I support the evil thing which has caused more grief for the faithful (including me!) and has been the cause of so many abominations for the last +50 years?
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #31 on: September 18, 2017, 09:01:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: GJC on September 18, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
    Don't avoid the question, that was my initial question and it was rephrased for you. What organization is Francis the pope of?
    Don't avoid the question. What leads you to think I support the NO?
    That is quite the defamatory and completely unfounded accusation.
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #32 on: September 18, 2017, 09:06:21 AM »
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    What organization is Francis the pope of?
    A man-made organization described as counterfeit, a lying wonder.
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #33 on: September 18, 2017, 09:45:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: GJC on September 18, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
    What organization is Francis the pope of?

    According to an older study by Bp. Tissier de Mallerais, the Pope is the head of both the conciliar church, and the Catholic Church.

    The study is posted here on the Dominicans of Avrille website:

    http://www.dominicansavrille.us/is-there-a-conciliar-church/

    Sedevacantists don't generally refer to a conciliar church, but Archbishop Lefebvre did. Bishop Tissier de Mallerais wrote the study based on his interpretation of Archbishop Lefebvre's views concerning the existence of the conciliar church. It makes sense to me. 
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #34 on: September 18, 2017, 09:53:10 AM »
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    • Jesus Christ can not deceive nor be deceived.   You might want to review your Act of Faith, one of the prayers we are encouraged to pray during the rosary, asking for an increase of Faith, Hope, and Charity.   

    The Catholic Church is a Divine Institution, not a human organization, it is not subject to be mixed with truth and error.

    I don't believe  Bp. Tissier de Mallerais meant what was posted here in proper context.



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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #35 on: September 18, 2017, 09:55:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 18, 2017, 09:53:28 AM
    How is this possible? Did the Lord make Peter the leader of His Church and a "church" of the Devil? Does the Holy Spirit give life to the Catholic Church and a false Church? How can there be something false and rotten inside something pure and immaculate, the spouse of Christ?
    This theory is garbage and blasphemous and most of all, has no backing in Tradition. If this is something that makes sense to you, then there is something wrong there.
    How is it possible? Read the study. If you have the patience to do so. But you probably don't. 
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #36 on: September 18, 2017, 09:57:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: MyrnaM on September 18, 2017, 09:53:10 AM
    Jesus Christ can not deceive nor be deceived.  You might want to review your Act of Faith, one of the prayers we are encouraged to pray during the rosary, asking for an increase of Faith, Hope, and Charity.  

    The Catholic Church is a Divine Institution, not a human organization, it is not subject to be mixed with truth and error.

    I don't believe Bp. Tissier de Mallerais meant what was posted here in proper context.

    Did you read the study?
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #37 on: September 18, 2017, 10:01:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 18, 2017, 10:00:35 AM
    Why should I read it. Did you not give an adequate summary of it when you said "According to an older study by Bp. Tissier de Mallerais, the Pope is the head of both the conciliar church, and the Catholic Church. "

    I definitely don't have time for garbage like that.

    Yeah, I thought not. You're lazy.
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #38 on: September 18, 2017, 10:06:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 18, 2017, 10:03:10 AM
    HAHA

    Does the study reach another conclusion than the one you gave?

    You're the one who asked..."how is it possible?" Apparently, you aren't interested in an answer. Your preconceived ideas about sedevacantism (which is an extreme error) have conditioned you to not want to see the other side. Someone has brainwashed you.

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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #39 on: September 18, 2017, 10:12:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 18, 2017, 10:11:32 AM
    Apparently you're not familiar with rhetorical questions. I thought it should be obvious that the pure and immaculate Bride of Christ could NOT contain a rotten false "church" inside of it. I guess there's no end to what you will believe.

    I believe as Archbishop Lefebvre did.
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #40 on: September 18, 2017, 10:20:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: GJC on September 18, 2017, 09:12:26 AM
    Did I ask you, why do you support the Novus Ordo? No! So please stop with the defamatory stuff.
    I asked you what organization is Francis the pope of? Could you just simply answer it?
    No, you did not ask the question, you falsely accused me of supporting the NO. Now answer the question. What makes you think I support the NO? Could you just simply answer the question?
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #41 on: September 18, 2017, 10:25:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 18, 2017, 10:06:02 AM
    You're the one who asked..."how is it possible?" Apparently, you aren't interested in an answer. Your preconceived ideas about sedevacantism (which is an extreme error) have conditioned you to not want to see the other side. Someone has brainwashed you.
    You're right Meg. The sede's equate the pope with God, the pope with the Church. If they were in fact correct, then they would have something to argue.
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #42 on: September 18, 2017, 10:33:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on September 18, 2017, 10:25:10 AM
    You're right Meg. The sede's equate the pope with God, the pope with the Church. If they were in fact correct, then they would have something to argue.

    Yes, and in equating the Pope with God, they believe as the progressives in the conciliar church do. Two sides of the same coin.

    And yes, if they were correct in that the Pope is supposed to be equated with God, then they would have something to argue. But the Church has never taught that, that I know of. 
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #43 on: September 18, 2017, 10:54:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 18, 2017, 10:33:17 AM
    Yes, and in equating the Pope with God, they believe as the progressives in the conciliar church do. Two sides of the same coin.

    And yes, if they were correct in that the Pope is supposed to be equated with God, then they would have something to argue. But the Church has never taught that, that I know of.
    I know - it's crazy because if the pope could in fact be equated with God, or the Church, then what could there be to argue?  I mean, what sane group of people are going to argue that God or the Church teaches heresy and is a heretic?

    Seems their thinking is that since God or the Church cannot teach heresy (which is correct), and because the pope teaches heresy that he is not the pope - which is to say he is not God or the Church - - the whole thing is an exercise in the practice of head spin.
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #44 on: September 18, 2017, 11:10:52 AM »
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    • Equate the pope with the devil, that is okay... right?
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