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How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
« on: September 16, 2017, 01:22:22 PM »
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 01:40:11 PM »
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  • How could it be schismatic?
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis


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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 02:00:49 PM »
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  • How isn't "The Resistance" schismatic?
    Are you referring to ALL traditional priests who have resisted novelty? 

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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 02:15:57 PM »
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  • Actually, the schismatic structure is inside the Church.

    It has been proven that the theology of Vatican II is not Catholic, yet the modernist churchmen, still hold our Holy Church structure captive.

    As explained in much more detail by Father Hesse.

    https://youtu.be/Ur1OlGrTU7s?t=36

    No need to worry about a Resistance schism. We've got Church tradition and Canon Law behind us.

    This is something Bp. Fellay doesn't talk about anymore?

    Since the SSPX became "Francis kosher", Bp. Fellay acts as if the Church crisis has ended.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 02:20:12 PM »
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  • Actually, the schismatic structure is inside the Church.

    It has been proven that the theology of Vatican II is not Catholic, yet the modernist churchmen, still hold our Holy Church structure captive.

    As explained in much more detail by Father Hesse.

    https://youtu.be/Ur1OlGrTU7s?t=36

    No need to worry about a Resistance schism. We've got Church tradition and Canon Law behind us.

    This is something Bp. Fellay doesn't talk about anymore?

    Since the SSPX became "Francis kosher", Bp. Fellay acts as if the Church crisis has ended.
    :applause:


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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 02:28:03 PM »
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  • May God console you! ... What saddens you ... is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises – but you have the Apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith?

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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #6 on: September 16, 2017, 02:41:03 PM »
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  • Actually, the schismatic structure is inside the Church.

    It has been proven that the theology of Vatican II is not Catholic, yet the modernist churchmen, still hold our Holy Church structure captive.

    As explained in much more detail by Father Hesse.

    https://youtu.be/Ur1OlGrTU7s?t=36

    No need to worry about a Resistance schism. We've got Church tradition and Canon Law behind us.

    This is something Bp. Fellay doesn't talk about anymore?

    Since the SSPX became "Francis kosher", Bp. Fellay acts as if the Church crisis has ended.
    Define the bolded above please!

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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #7 on: September 16, 2017, 02:58:32 PM »
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  • Actually, the schismatic structure is inside the Church.

    It has been proven that the theology of Vatican II is not Catholic, yet the modernist churchmen, still hold our Holy Church structure captive.

    As explained in much more detail by Father Hesse.

    https://youtu.be/Ur1OlGrTU7s?t=36

    Incredulous,

    Could you point out where in the video, or at what minute mark, Fr. Hesse addresses the issue of our Holy Church being held captive by the modernist churchmen? The video is two hours long, and I don't have time to view it all.

    This would seem to mirror the idea held by Archbishop Lefebvre, that the Church is occupied by a modernist sect.


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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #8 on: September 16, 2017, 03:03:36 PM »
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  • How could it be schismatic?
    Because it recognizes Bergoglio as pope, but refuses to submit to him.
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #9 on: September 16, 2017, 03:04:09 PM »
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  • Are you referring to ALL traditional priests who have resisted novelty?
    No, by "The Resistance" I mean those who have left the SSPX to follow Bp. Williamson et al.
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #10 on: September 16, 2017, 03:43:07 PM »
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  • No, by "The Resistance" I mean those who have left the SSPX to follow Bp. Williamson et al.

    Do you believe that the Resistance is schismatic, but the SSPX is not? Just tell us what you think, and not beat around the bush. 


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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #11 on: September 16, 2017, 03:54:48 PM »
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  • No, by "The Resistance" I mean those who have left the SSPX to follow Bp. Williamson et al.
    Plenty of independent priests out there who do not follow Bp. Williamson.

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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #12 on: September 16, 2017, 05:29:41 PM »
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  • Militant sedevacantists inbound!  :farmer: :facepalm:
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #13 on: September 16, 2017, 05:34:02 PM »
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    Re: How isn't the "The Resistance" schismatic?
    « Reply #14 on: September 16, 2017, 05:44:47 PM »
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  • Pope Adrian VI († 1523) stated that “it is beyond question” that a pope can “err in matters touching the Faith”, he can “teach heresy” in decrees. He also stated “many Roman Pontiffs were heretics”.
    If by the Roman Church you mean its head or pontiff, it is beyond question that he canerr even in matters touching the faith. He does this when he teaches heresy by his own judgement or decretal. In truth, many Roman pontiffs were heretics. The last of them was Pope John XXII († 1334).” (Quaest. in IV Sent.; quoted inViollet, Papal Infallibility and the Syllabus, 1908).*
    (* According to the 1907 Catholic Encyclopedia, this work was published in 1512 from the notes of his student and without his supervision, but as it saw “many editions” it would appear that the pope did not repudiate the passage as not his own, in a work attributed to him.) 

    Venerable Pope Pius IX († 1878)recognized the danger that a future pope would be a heretic and “teach contrary to the Catholic Faith”, and he instructed, “do not follow him.
    If a future pope teaches anything contrary to the Catholic Faith, do not follow him.” (Letter to Bishop Brizen) 

    Pope Adrian II († 872) admitted that papal heresy “renders lawful the resistance of subordinates to their superiors, and their rejection of the latter's pernicious teachings.” 
    We read that the Roman Pontiff has always possessed authority to pass judgment on the heads of all the Churches (i.e., the patriarchs and bishops), but nowhere do we read that he has been the subject of judgment by others. It is true that Honorius was posthumously anathematized by the Eastern churches, but it must be borne in mind that he had been accused of heresy, the only offense which renders lawful the resistance of subordinates to their superiors, and their rejection of the latter's pernicious teachings”. 

    However, I must disagree with Pope Adrian when he said that heresy was the only offense that justified resistance: the Saints and Doctors have informed us otherwise, as we shall see. 
    Further, Pope Honorius I († 638)was not merely “accused of heresy” or “anathematized by the Eastern Churches”: he was anathematized as a heretic by the ecumenical Council of III Constantinople, whose Acts were confirmed by Pope Leo II († 683).
    We foresaw that, together with them, also Honorius, before Pope of Old Rome, is cast out of the Holy Catholic Church of God and anathematized, for we have found by his writings sent to [the heretic] Sergius, that he followed the thinking of the latter in everything, and continued his impious principles. […] To Sergius, the heretic, anathema! To Cyrus, the heretic, anathema! To Honorius, the heretic, anathema! 

    NOTE: So we see that popes have told us that a pope can “wither away into heresy” and “not believe” the Faith; that “it is beyond question” that a pope can “err in matters touching the Faith”, he can “teach heresy” in decrees; that “many Roman Pontiffs were heretics”; that a pope may be a heretic and “teach […] contrary to the Catholic Faith”, in which case we are to follow the instruction “do not follow him”; and that papal heresy “renders lawful the resistance of subordinates to their superiors, and their rejection of the latter's pernicious teachings.” 
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