Author Topic: How has the New SSPX liberalized? (Read 1432 times)

Neil Obstat · « **on:** October 14, 2015, 11:56:02 PM »

Here is a rough draft of a starting list:

-- It has said false favorable things promoting:
religious liberty,
the docuмents of Vatican II,
the new code of canon law,
the conciliar profession of faith,
collegiality,
ecuмenism,
conciliar “ecclesiology”,
the new mass,
the “blended” mass,
the indult mass,
the holiness of conciliar popes,
conciliar false canonizations (e.g., “saint” Faustina, the false visionary),
conciliar false devotions (e.g., the conciliar “Divine Mercy” devotion of “saint” Faustina),
women wearing trousers,
a liberalized, permissive standard for “natural family planning”,
the conciliar teaching that the Jєωs did not commit Deicide,
Pope John Paul II’s teaching that the Jєωs are our Elder Brothers,
the ugly Pope John Paul II –style crucifix with a bent cross-piece,
Pope Benedict XVI’s hermeneutic of continuity,
the lack of encouragement to have large families,
denial of the true distinction (Archbishop Lefebvre made) between the Catholic Church and the conciliar church,

etc.

LucasL · « **Reply #1 on:** October 15, 2015, 06:42:00 AM »

The SSPX Priests who are happy about the way the Society is going are not honest.

[why?]

because who founded the Society,Dom Marcel Lefevbre, said: No, no no! Rome must convert. No deal until Rome converts!

If you go to a SSPX priest and show his words or voice recording: "here's the Dom Lefevbre words. You are doing what he told you not to do" Then he'll answer that he is following his superiors and he must obey them.

What this tells us?

LucasL · « **Reply #2 on:** October 15, 2015, 09:59:22 AM »

Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos #9, Jan. 6, 1928
“Everyone knows that John himself, the Apostle of love, who seems to reveal in his Gospel the secrets of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and who never ceased to impress on the memories of his followers the new commandment ‘Love one another,’ altogether forbade any intercourse with those who professed a mutilated and corrupt form of Christ’s teaching: ‘If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him: God speed you.’ (II John 10).”

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2015, 10:05:44 AM »

Quite striking when you put it all together in a succinct list.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #4 on:** October 15, 2015, 10:14:46 AM »

So you put to together this vague list to see if anyone would challenge it, well... explain how does the SSPX directly "promote the new mass"?

Marlelar · « **Reply #5 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:35:54 AM »

Would you please provide references?

I have not heard sermons promoting these things and I regularly attend chapels in three states (CA, AZ, TX) due to travel.

I have however noticed a lack of sermons regarding the errors of the conciliar church and I think that is a big mistake, people must be educated as to those errors so they do not slip into them themselves.

JPaul · « **Reply #6 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:42:14 AM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

So you put to together this vague list to see if anyone would challenge it, well... explain how does the SSPX directly "promote the new mass"?

By surreptitiously implying that it might be legitimate, and by not definitively opposing it.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #7 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:55:01 AM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

So you put to together this vague list to see if anyone would challenge it, well... explain how does the SSPX directly "promote the new mass"?

Challenge it if you like, but it's just a starting copy.

Perhaps if you have something to add to the list, you could include some evidence to substantiate it?

But if you must, have you ever heard of the April Fifteenth Declaration (AFD) a.k.a. Doctrinal Declaration to Rome of Bishop Fellay, 2012? If so, perhaps you can recall item III.7, to wit:

III... 7. We declare that we recognise the validity of the sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacraments celebrated with the intention to do what the Church does according to the rites indicated in the typical editions of the Roman Missal and the Sacramentary Rituals legitimately promulgated by Popes Paul VI and John-Paul II.

In other words, the Newmass is legitimately promulgated (which is a damned lie).

Now, for those who contend that the AFD has been officially rejected and therefore is a dead letter, perhaps it may be of interest to recall the Asia Report of Fr. Chazal, "Let the Horses Loose!", Sept. 30th, 2013, in which he says the following:

When the priests of the district are asked specific question, they take evasive action or never mention the issue of the new Rome in their sermons anymore. A real doctrinal shift is in progress. The priory of Manila is printing and distributing the conference of Fr. Themann that defends the AFD and the doctrinal shift, and those Filipinos that use their minds wonder how it can be, since they are told at the same time that the AFD has been rejected officially. Signs of a liberal slide are now appearing in Asia, the most notorious one being the new Indian bulletin of the XSPX, called "The Flying Squirrel"(?) that sports a sermon of pope Francis on page two and three. In it the Pope makes a bad exegesis of Luke chapter nine and praises the arch-Communist Fr. [Pedro] Arrupe, SJ, who even gave sleepless night to Paul VI. In the past we never published the homilies of John Paul II, even a so-called good one.

On a personal note, I have been repeatedly shocked at how quickly the news spreads worldwide when Menzingen comes out with a wet-blanket statement that puts the kaibosh on some key hot spot, such as how much damage the Doctrinal Preamble a.k.a. Doctrinal Declaration a.k.a. AFD is doing, by pronouncing that it's "officially rejected." To add salt to the wound, no docuмent is extant, no official proclamation of this mythical "rejection" nor anything definitive is physically printed -- it's all based on some offhand comment someone made at some venue somewhere* and the word spread in a matter of moments worldwide. It's as though an information vacuum exists just waiting for the WORD to fill it.

Very strange.

*As I recall, and please correct me if I'm wrong, this particular case bases its source on a small group conference that +Fellay gave in a remote country village in Ireland, which was not recorded but the word got out anyway and spread like wildfire.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** October 15, 2015, 12:40:38 PM »

Quote from: Marlelar

Would you please provide references?

I have not heard sermons promoting these things and I regularly attend chapels in three states (CA, AZ, TX) due to travel.

I have however noticed a lack of sermons regarding the errors of the conciliar church and I think that is a big mistake, people must be educated as to those errors so they do not slip into them themselves.

That's not an unreasonable request, and I'll see what I can do. In the meantime, one might keep an ear turned to news about what's being said by such clerics as Fr. Pfluger, Fr. Nely, Fr. Couture, Fr. "Resistance to What?" Themann and Fr. Le Roux. Just because you don't hear it from your local pulpit doesn't mean it ain't happenin'.

Don't forget that one of the key reasons you shouldn't frequent Indult Masses is the very thing you mention, that in those venues you will not hear anything critical of Vat.II, the Newmass in particular or the conciliar church in general. And if you keep putting yourself in that environment eventually you'll acclimate to the principles it firmly implies, even if by way of reticence.

Have you ever heard of the "Pax Priests" of Hungary? The Communist invaders during WWII prohibited any celebration of Mass, except in cases where the priest would promise to say nothing critical of Communism. IOW implying promotion of Communism by way of reticence. The faithful with their heads on their shoulders would not attend such Masses, and revered Cardinal Mindszenty. He was extremely popular with the people and was an arch enemy to the Communists. So they tortured him for years, destroying his health little by little. News of his suffering spread all over the world as it was happening.

József Cardinal Mindszenty [jo:ʒɛf mindsɛnti]
Cardinal, Archbishop of Esztergom
Prince Primate of Hungary

Today we should do likewise. Keep in mind what the Communists are in the Church and stake a solid inimical stand against their principles. Perhaps praying to Cardinal Mindszenty would help, too!

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