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Offline SeanJohnson

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How do sede adherents answer this objection
« on: October 07, 2021, 09:14:48 PM »
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    • I don’t want to turn this into a Sedevacantist vs R&R debate, but how does a sedevacantist adherent respond to a conservative Protestant when he says things like: “So you are supposed to have perpetual successors until the end of time, but you haven’t had any in 63+ years, and you call it an interregnum more than 20x longer than any previous interregnum in 2,000 years (and with the conspicuous absence of any Camerlengo convening a papal election)?”

    Why, I was just minding my own business, when a Prot came up to me and made this argument.

    How do you sedes respond in such confrontations?
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: How do sede adherents answer this objection
    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2021, 10:28:37 PM »
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    • Perpetual uninterrupted lineage?  

    Obviously a finite amount of time must lapse between the death of one Pope and the ascension of the new Pope.

    How much time the inter-regnum lasts has varied. 

    Also, we ere warned about the Great Apostasy.

    If a Prot asks, I have no hesitation to observe that the Great Apostasy is here now.
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    Re: How do sede adherents answer this objection
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2021, 10:40:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on October 07, 2021, 10:28:37 PM
    Perpetual uninterrupted lineage? 

    Obviously a finite amount of time must lapse between the death of one Pope and the ascension of the new Pope.

    How much time the inter-regnum lasts has varied.

    Also, we ere warned about the Great Apostasy.

    If a Prot asks, I have no hesitation to observe that the Great Apostasy is here now.


    Then you go from the frying pan to the fire, when the Prot says to you:

    ”Wait a minute, first you’re telling me there can be a 63-1000+ year “interregnum” (in which case Yoda must be the Camerlengo?), and now you’re telling me the allegedly indefectible and visible true Church has no hierarchy because they’ve all apostatized?”
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    Re: How do sede adherents answer this objection
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 11:26:35 PM »
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    • How do you deal with Prottie argumentum ad absurdum?

    When, for example, you show the Prottie Magisterium that we honor Mary and worship God alone, but their response is "Catholics worship Mary" or "pedo-priests," what do you do?

    I laugh at them and move on.

    I am reminded of a conversation I had with Michael Hoffman 20 years ago. I was exercised about some rabbi's nonsense. I asked Michael what he thought and his reply was (slightly paraphrased), "If I spent time on every rabbi that went off the rails, I'd have no time for anything else." That resonated with me.

    That said, I do selectively respond to such nonsense if (a) there seems to be some hope of redeeming the antagonist or (b) if there is an audience of fence-sitters who may be swayed to the truth even if the main antagonist is 'invincibly un-convincible.'

    Incidentally, that is why I occasionally respond on this forum to sede baiting.

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    Re: How do sede adherents answer this objection
    « Reply #4 on: October 08, 2021, 11:37:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 07, 2021, 09:14:48 PM
    I don’t want to turn this into a Sedevacantist vs R&R debate, but how does a sedevacantist adherent respond to a conservative Protestant when he says things like: “So you are supposed to have perpetual successors until the end of time, but you haven’t had any in 63+ years, and you call it an interregnum more than 20x longer than any previous interregnum in 2,000 years (and with the conspicuous absence of any Camerlengo convening a papal election)?”

    Why, I was just minding my own business, when a Prot came up to me and made this argument.

    How do you sedes respond in such confrontations?
    Tell him Protestantism is gαy.
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    Re: How do sede adherents answer this objection
    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2021, 09:26:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 07, 2021, 09:14:48 PM
    I don’t want to turn this into a Sedevacantist vs R&R debate, but how does a sedevacantist adherent respond to a conservative Protestant when he says things like: “So you are supposed to have perpetual successors until the end of time, but you haven’t had any in 63+ years, and you call it an interregnum more than 20x longer than any previous interregnum in 2,000 years (and with the conspicuous absence of any Camerlengo convening a papal election)?”

    Why, I was just minding my own business, when a Prot came up to me and made this argument.

    How do you sedes respond in such confrontations?
    I agree that this is a difficulty; equally I don't know how I'd explain to them that the man I regard as the Vicar of Christ should be ignored, is a non-Catholic, promulgates evil laws/fake canonizations, that one imperils his soul if he obeys the current Magisterium, etc.
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