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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: EverydayDismas on March 27, 2022, 03:22:50 AM
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How do I join? I was baptized catholic but never received communion.i have attended tridentine mass when I can get to one.
listened to all bishop Williamsons recordings and want to receive communion as part of the resistance.
My questions
Where do I attend mass?online?I'm in california temporarily but headed back to florida
How do I receive communion?I'm willing to fly internationally if necessary
Do resistance members ever associate with each other in person?
I'm mixed race . Native american/italian pass for Hispanic. Is this an issue ?I'm not a race card leftist but sspx has put out statements that led me to believe they didnt want any outsiders yet bishop Williamson seems to have a special affinity for latinos .
Thanks for all the help guys.
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Do a webseach for “SSPX resistance California” for a lead. I am sure a few people here will be able to advise you. No need for I/N flights. Anyway welcome to CathInfo. Keep searching. :pray:
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Plenty of Trad Mass sites throughout Florida, SSPX and otherwise, we are very fortunate in that regard in the Sunshine State!
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Plenty of Trad Mass sites throughout Florida, SSPX and otherwise, we are very fortunate in that regard in the Sunshine State!
I live in Florida and the only Resistance mass is Fr.Hewko's once a year.
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I live in Florida and the only Resistance mass is Fr.Hewko's once a year.
That is correct as regards my friend Fr.Hewko, though he usually tries for 2-3x per year. But Traditionally speaking, many non-Resistance Mass sites to look into
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How do I join? I was baptized catholic but never received communion.i have attended tridentine mass when I can get to one.
listened to all bishop Williamsons recordings and want to receive communion as part of the resistance.
My questions
Where do I attend mass?online?I'm in california temporarily but headed back to florida
How do I receive communion?I'm willing to fly internationally if necessary
Do resistance members ever associate with each other in person?
I'm mixed race . Native american/italian pass for Hispanic. Is this an issue ?I'm not a race card leftist but sspx has put out statements that led me to believe they didnt want any outsiders yet bishop Williamson seems to have a special affinity for latinos .
Thanks for all the help guys.
Stay away from Pfeiffer, Hewko, Pancras, croisette, cooke, rafael, wiest, and poisson, for starters.
Catholic candle has a good list of priests.
Traditio has a good list of mass locations.
If you combine the two, you have a good start.
I encourage you to write to b. Williamson or b. Zendejas and ask them where to attend mass.
If race comes up as an issue, run the other way because that is not Catholic.
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I live in Florida and the only Resistance mass is Fr.Hewko's once a year.
Stay away from priests without a real bishop superior.
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How do I join? I was baptized catholic but never received communion.i have attended tridentine mass when I can get to one.
listened to all bishop Williamsons recordings and want to receive communion as part of the resistance.
My questions
Where do I attend mass?online?I'm in california temporarily but headed back to florida
How do I receive communion?I'm willing to fly internationally if necessary
Do resistance members ever associate with each other in person?
I'm mixed race . Native american/italian pass for Hispanic. Is this an issue ?I'm not a race card leftist but sspx has put out statements that led me to believe they didnt want any outsiders yet bishop Williamson seems to have a special affinity for latinos .
Thanks for all the help guys.
CA -- look up Fr. Sretenovic. Great priest.
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Stay away from priests without a real bishop superior.
That would be the plan but I know a few FL Trad locations are very safe
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That would be the plan but I know a few FL Trad locations are very safe
no priest is "safe" who does not have a real bishop superior, including your "good friend" Fr. Hewko, for the Church calls them vagus priests and they are to be avoided.
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no priest is "safe" who does not have a real bishop superior, including your "good friend" Fr. Hewko, for the Church calls them vagus priests and they are to be avoided.
In order not to be vagus a priest has to report to a superior (usually a bishop, but not always) WITH JURISDICTION. News flash: all Traditional priests are currently vagi except possibly the FSSP (if you think they count a Traditional priests). Reporting to some random bishop who has no jurisdiction doesn't count. And the FSSP superior has never been a bishop (deliberately), so the priests reported the FSSP superior and merely had various friendly bishops perform their ordinations.
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In order not to be vagus a priest has to report to a superior (usually a bishop, but not always) WITH JURISDICTION. News flash: all Traditional priests are currently vagi except possibly the FSSP (if you think they count a Traditional priests). Reporting to some random bishop who has no jurisdiction doesn't count. And the FSSP superior has never been a bishop (deliberately), so the priests reported the FSSP superior and merely had various friendly bishops perform their ordinations.
In that case (which might be true), then the technicality of being a "vagus" doesn't matter, and what matters more is the SPIRIT of vagary.
Let's put it this way: There's no way that a priest like Fr. X or Fr. Y (names withheld) who chose to heed the siren song and went off to "be their own boss" are every bit as good/promising/holy for parking your soul (and those of your family) as a priest who seeks out and submits himself to a good Traditional bishop who is doing God's work -- fighting the good fight.
Which priest is more in keeping with the spirit of the Church, the spirit of his vocation, the spirit of the Priesthood? Remember, FUNDAMENTALLY a priest is a bishop's helper, full stop. A priest who makes no effort (or makes excuses) why he can't submit to one of the MANY TRAD BISHOPS doing God's own work -- such a priest is GOING to be inferior and have issues at the very least. His whole apostolate will be flawed by his pride, willfulness, and lack of obedience.
Remember how God works. He doesn't need one more priest. He doesn't need ten more priests. What He wants is JUST A FEW holy priests completely surrendered to His Holy Will. Always seeking and trying to do God's will. That's all God "needs" from Trad priests. The idea that a priest can work better off on his own -- that's a delusion of the devil. ALWAYS. Just because the Novus Ordo happened doesn't mean Obedience is obsolete. Obedience is STILL extremely important, especially for a priest. Especially if he wants his apostolate to bear fruit.
The letter of the law killeth. The spirit giveth life. The Pharisees were masters of keeping the letter of the law.
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In that case (which might be true), then the technicality of being a "vagus" doesn't matter, and what matters more is the SPIRIT of vagary.
Indeed. That's a standard for NORMAL times in a Church. Back then you couldn't have independent bishops floating around either. But this is a Crisis that's even worse than the Arian times. During those times, the orthodox bishops were going around consecrating and INSTALLING bishops in Sees that had been occupied by the Arians. We are in unprecedented times, and being vagus from the Conciliar Church is a virtue, relatively speaking.
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Indeed. That's a standard for NORMAL times in a Church. Back then you couldn't have independent bishops floating around either. But this is a Crisis that's even worse than the Arian times. During those times, the orthodox bishops were going around consecrating and INSTALLING bishops in Sees that had been occupied by the Arians. We are in unprecedented times, and being vagus from the Conciliar Church is a virtue, relatively speaking.
I see Matthew's point though. Yes TECHNICALLY none of the crisis bishops have authority. There still is very likely a pride problem if you aren't willing to place yourself under any of them because you think you know better. Its similar to how you might not be able to *clearly* condemn home aloneism, because traditionally holy day of obligation applies to diocesan chapels, and yet we could still say someone who refused to submit himself spiritually to ANY priest is a fool. Similar thing I think.
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In order not to be vagus a priest has to report to a superior (usually a bishop, but not always) WITH JURISDICTION. News flash: all Traditional priests are currently vagi except possibly the FSSP (if you think they count a Traditional priests). Reporting to some random bishop who has no jurisdiction doesn't count. And the FSSP superior has never been a bishop (deliberately), so the priests reported the FSSP superior and merely had various friendly bishops perform their ordinations.
The Church is in crisis, but a priest must still submit to authority, jurisdictional authority or not. There are plenty of traditional bishops around for a priest to work with.
And i hate to use the term "in crisis", for that is the excuse the Pfeiffer clan use for everything they do.
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In that case (which might be true), then the technicality of being a "vagus" doesn't matter, and what matters more is the SPIRIT of vagary.
Let's put it this way: There's no way that a priest like Fr. X or Fr. Y (names withheld) who chose to heed the siren song and went off to "be their own boss" are every bit as good/promising/holy for parking your soul (and those of your family) as a priest who seeks out and submits himself to a good Traditional bishop who is doing God's work -- fighting the good fight.
Which priest is more in keeping with the spirit of the Church, the spirit of his vocation, the spirit of the Priesthood? Remember, FUNDAMENTALLY a priest is a bishop's helper, full stop. A priest who makes no effort (or makes excuses) why he can't submit to one of the MANY TRAD BISHOPS doing God's own work -- such a priest is GOING to be inferior and have issues at the very least. His whole apostolate will be flawed by his pride, willfulness, and lack of obedience.
Remember how God works. He doesn't need one more priest. He doesn't need ten more priests. What He wants is JUST A FEW holy priests completely surrendered to His Holy Will. Always seeking and trying to do God's will. That's all God "needs" from Trad priests. The idea that a priest can work better off on his own -- that's a delusion of the devil. ALWAYS. Just because the Novus Ordo happened doesn't mean Obedience is obsolete. Obedience is STILL extremely important, especially for a priest. Especially if he wants his apostolate to bear fruit.
The letter of the law killeth. The spirit giveth life. The Pharisees were masters of keeping the letter of the law.
Spirit of vagary... I like it.
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Spirit of vagary... I like it.
Just think about it. If you were a priest before Vatican II who just went around saying Mass without being subject to some kind of superior, that would be a really unacceptable situation. But the Conciliar crisis changes all that, and this is a completely different situation. We're back in the catacombs and the days of the Arian crisis.
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Just think about it. If you were a priest before Vatican II who just went around saying Mass without being subject to some kind of superior, that would be a really unacceptable situation. But the Conciliar crisis changes all that, and this is a completely different situation. We're back in the catacombs and the days of the Arian crisis.
The Church is in crisis, but a priest must still submit to authority, jurisdictional authority or not. There are plenty of traditional bishops around for a priest to work with.
And i despise using the term "in crisis", for that is the excuse the Pfeiffer clan use for everything they do
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And i despise using the term "in crisis", for that is the excuse the Pfeiffer clan use for everything they do
If the Pfeiffer clan decided to (what ever) would you refuse to (what ever)? "In crisis" is correct terminology for the mess we are in.
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The Church is in crisis, but a priest must still submit to authority, jurisdictional authority or not.
This sounds nice but it has no practical meaning. Take Fr Ringrose in VA, as an example. He’s been at the same chapel for what, 30 years? What would change if he was “under a bishop”? Nothing. He says a private mass at a private chapel for people who show up, or not. He has no authority over them and they have no obligation to be there. He’s not moving and there’s no reason to. Being “under a bishop” changes nothing.
So, your nice-sounding definition, when jurisdiction is absent/lacking/unobtainable is meaningless.
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Make sure to stay away from prior Toupee(Sanford, FL) and his missions. They only care about money and sucking up to Bergolio to pick up more Novus Ordo attendees.
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If you are listening to this, you are the resistance. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7bSYG0qL3Y)
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If the Pfeiffer clan decided to (what ever) would you refuse to (what ever)? .
Yes
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This sounds nice but it has no practical meaning. Take Fr Ringrose in VA, as an example. He’s been at the same chapel for what, 30 years? What would change if he was “under a bishop”? Nothing. He says a private mass at a private chapel for people who show up, or not. He has no authority over them and they have no obligation to be there. He’s not moving and there’s no reason to. Being “under a bishop” changes nothing.
So, your nice-sounding definition, when jurisdiction is absent/lacking/unobtainable is meaningless.
Every priest should have a bishop superior. And there is no reason for them not to.
Where does Fr. Ringrose obtain his holy oils? Canon law says they must be disposed of every year and new ones obtained. Does he behave the way of Fr. Hewko and continually "top them off"? Or of b. Slupski (God rest his soul), who used holy oils that were 30-40 years old?
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That video should have had a hyperlink that said, "If you can hear this, you are the Resistance." Sorry, I don't know why it didn't show up. :cowboy:
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Every priest should have a bishop superior. And there is no reason for them not to.
You’re just repeating yourself but not understanding the problems with your statement. Canon Law defines a “superior” as a bishop who provides jurisdiction/faculties. But since no Trad bishop has such to give, then what’s the purpose of a “superior”?
Fr Ringrose is in VA. +Zendajas is hundreds of miles away in CT. Can you provide some concrete actions/steps that would change if Fr Ringrose chose +Zendejas as a superior?
1. Is Fr Ringrose supposed to sign over his chapel property and $?
2. Is he supposed to have weekly/monthly phone calls with a bishop?
3. Something else?
None of this is in canon law, mind you, so please explain.
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You’re just repeating yourself but not understanding the problems with your statement. Canon Law defines a “superior” as a bishop who provides jurisdiction/faculties. But since no Trad bishop has such to give, then what’s the purpose of a “superior”?
Fr Ringrose is in VA. +Zendajas is hundreds of miles away in CT. Can you provide some concrete actions/steps that would change if Fr Ringrose chose +Zendejas as a superior?
1. Is Fr Ringrose supposed to sign over his chapel property and $?
2. Is he supposed to have weekly/monthly phone calls with a bishop?
3. Something else?
None of this is in canon law, mind you, so please explain.
Whats the purpose of a superior who doesn't have jurisdiction? To encourage the priest to keep the Faith and not go nutty, to provide the priest with holy oils (replaced yearly), to provide confirmations to the laity of the chapel the priest services.
"concrete actions/steps that would change if Fr Ringrose chose +Zendejas as a superior? " see above
1. I dont see why fr. Ringrose should have to sign over his chapel and $. Do all trad bishops require this? I've only heard of the sspx doing it.
2. I don’t know. I am not clergy.
3. See #2 above.
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The Church is in crisis, but a priest must still submit to authority, jurisdictional authority or not. There are plenty of traditional bishops around for a priest to work with.
Since you recommend Fr. Sretenovik, what bishop is he under?
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Whats the purpose of a superior who doesn't have jurisdiction? To encourage the priest to keep the Faith and not go nutty, to provide the priest with holy oils (replaced yearly), to provide confirmations to the laity of the chapel the priest services.
"concrete actions/steps that would change if Fr Ringrose chose +Zendejas as a superior? " see above
1. I dont see why fr. Ringrose should have to sign over his chapel and $. Do all trad bishops require this? I've only heard of the sspx doing it.
2. I don’t know. I am not clergy.
3. See #2 above.
Ok, then according to your definitions, and because Trads live in a non-jurisdictional world, it is IMPOSSIBLE to say that Fr Ringrose (as an example) doesn't have a superior. And it is also impossible to know if ANY non-sspx priest has a superior, because your only qualifications are 1) encouragement, which is a private matter and 2) holy oils, which again, is not a public transfer or acceptance. 3) confirmations can only happen every 3-4 years for small chapels, so this isn't a good test either.
Bottomline: There are plenty of "independent" priests who have chapels where +Williamson and +Zendejas have visited, provided confirmations and (privately) provided holy oils. Thus, your original statement regarding the need for "independent" priests to have a superior, is (for lack of a better word) uneducated, because you have no proof that such priests even exist. Such priests can have superiors and you wouldn't even know, based on public actions.
So you should just keep quiet about the matter and quit judging priests.
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The Church is in crisis, but a priest must still submit to authority, jurisdictional authority or not. There are plenty of traditional bishops around for a priest to work with.
That's simply untrue. You've made this up. Even before Vatican II you occasionally had priests reporting to superiors who weren't bishops. SSPX has had two superiors now who weren't bishops, and the bishops reported to THEM. Archbishop Lefebvre wanted it that way to make sure no one believed that the bishops were acting as if they had ordinary jurisdiction, which they lack.
Jurisdiction is the key not "priest must report to a bishop". Bishops without jurisdiction are like auxiliary bishops. They don't have any more authority than a priest. Their only role is to help the bishops provide the Sacraments that ordinary priests cannot.
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In the early days after Vatican II, nearly all of the Traditional priests were independents, and they remained that way even as the SSPX established itself. Arbishop Lefebvre only came onto the scene in the mid-1970s. By your "logic" then, the faith should have stayed with the NO or just become home-aloners.
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Arbishop Lefebvre only came onto the scene in the mid-1970s.
Right. And to further the facts, +ABL was in Europe for the period of 1969 (V2) til 1988, when he ordained 4 new bishops. So, for 19 years, Trad priests all over the world were to be considered "vagrant priests"? Ridiculous! Tradition owes EVERYTHING to these priests. History will look up on them as the saviors of the Church, until +ABL came along, and helped. But before 1988, it was independent priest or nothing!
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Right. And to further the facts, +ABL was in Europe for the period of 1969 (V2) til 1988, when he ordained 4 new bishops. So, for 19 years, Trad priests all over the world were to be considered "vagrant priests"? Ridiculous! Tradition owes EVERYTHING to these priests. History will look up on them as the saviors of the Church, until +ABL came along, and helped. But before 1988, it was independent priest or nothing!
Maybe so...
But i have seen and read about too many independent priests without a superior who have gone wacko. And my family has been burned by many of them..
But maybe I am missing the big picture, where many priests, period, go wacko, and independent ones don't have a corner on the market.
I will have to reevaluate.
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If you're in southern california, Fr Sretenovic is where to go. He operates in two counties and his website is actualcatholic.com
Never the impression that you are not wanted because you are mixed race. God loves all people, And Christ died for all; that they also who live, may not now live to themselves, but unto him who died for them, and rose again -2 Cor. 5:15.
If you think there is any hostility in Catholicism, it is directed at the act of miscegenation. For it is discouraged because it is not prudent for many reasons. You should feel no fault for being the product of it.
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Since you recommend Fr. Sretenovik, what bishop is he under?
Zendejas
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If you're in southern california, Fr Sretenovic is where to go. He operates in two counties and his website is actualcatholic.com
Never the impression that you are not wanted because you are mixed race. God loves all people, And Christ died for all; that they also who live, may not now live to themselves, but unto him who died for them, and rose again -2 Cor. 5:15.
If you think there is any hostility in Catholicism, it is directed at the act of miscegenation. For it is discouraged because it is not prudent for many reasons. You should feel no fault for being the product of it.
Pray for and miss fr. Sretenovic.