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Offline InDominoSperavi

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Honor and glory to Bishop Williamson
« on: September 06, 2012, 03:51:18 PM »
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  • I have just made a new blog named : Avec l'Immaculée. You can go on it with this link.
    Avec l'immaculée
    You'll find an article written by Dom Thomas (Santa Cruz, Brazil) (See at santa cruz page)
    He explains why he is with Bp. Williamson and with the goods priests that are fighting for their faith. It's in French. If you prefer to read it in spanish, go on
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    It is where I found it out... God bless you all.



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    Honor and glory to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 03:18:23 AM »
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  • Same thread was started before yesterday here:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bishop-Williamson-in-Brazil


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    Honor and glory to Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 03:45:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: InDominoSperavi
    I have just made a new blog named : Avec l'Immaculée. You can go on it with this link.
    Avec l'immaculée
    You'll find an article written by Dom Thomas (Santa Cruz, Brazil) (See at santa cruz page)
    He explains why he is with Bp. Williamson and with the goods priests that are fighting for their faith. It's in French. If you prefer to read it in spanish, go on
    Non possumus
    It is where I found it out... God bless you all.



    Thank you, InDominoSperavi, for the new link, and you too Ethelred.  :applause:

    I have just read the article in Spanish. Wonderful! Just what we need. Mgr Williamson is our new warrior, in the footsteps of Mgr Lefebvre. He is the only one, of the 3 bishops, who is leading the resistance. Sadly, we hear nothing from either Mgr de Galarreta nor Mgr Tissier de Mallerais, for whatever their reasons may be. It is not meant to be a criticism, but I do wonder what their position is now.

    Just as traditional priests and faithful rallied around Mgr Lefebvre and marched with him, so we can now do the same with Mgr Williamson. May God grant him long life, determination and inspiration on this new journey. May priests faithful to Tradition rally to his side bravely. Others did so with Mgr Lefebvre and a great movement came into being. As Our Lord told the man who asked what he should do to gain Heaven... "Leave everything and follow Me."

    Dear priests, do not be afraid and be a part of the new movement now initiated by Frs Chazal, Pfeiffer & Pfeiffer and others. Fr Chazal said we are nothing (as priests) without a bishop. Well, we have one. We are many faithful ready to provide support, moral and financial, including accommodation, where required.

    Viva Cristo Rey, Viva Our Lady of Guadalupe.

    Offline Speculum Justitiae

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    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 12:47:08 PM »
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  • I think Pablo needs another 3am phone call.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 05:32:45 AM »
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  • Pablo the Bigmouth again! In his amoebae'ic conception of the world, he just can't understand what the brave Bishop Williamson is doing for the resistance. And so, lacking common sense, knowledge and humbleness, Pablo again feels pushed to attack the sharp shepherd again and again (and on IA even worse than here, because here he gets some opposing wind and a warning from the anti-liberal administrator).

    Maybe it's because Pablo's not a Cristero in reality, but just a movie actor -- and in fact this one:




    ('The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly' (1966). Starring Pablo the Mexican)


    Offline 1531

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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2012, 05:59:20 AM »
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    '... He is the only one, of the 3 bishops, who is leading the resistance..."

    Huh?

    When, where?

    As a leader newly arrived at a Battlefield, the first order of business is to remove the dead and wounded.

    I do not see that happening with any Bishop, even outside the SSPX.

    None.

    Zip.

    Nada.

    There are many crushed and being crushed by the Reich of His Excellency Bishop Fellay that have only one lowly Padre that is attempting to give his bother Priests some TLC, and comfort to the Faithful that are not SSPX bootlickers.

    The Holy Mother and her Son will:

    "Priests shall be sought among those who wield the hoe, the spade, and the hammer, as David prophesied: God lifted the poor man from the fields to place him on the throne of His people."

    It would serve the SSPX Pharisees right if God converted a Freemason Potentate to take up the fight for the Holy Faith.


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    Tut tut, Pablo, we can't have such negativity and pessimism. Not very Catholic... certainly not Traditional Catholic!!! Mons Williamson IS leading the resistance by his Eleison Comments, and certainly his refusal to keep quiet. We do need some patience and, as we all know, patience is a virtue and virtues are Catholic things... :geezer:

    Most of us 'true' SSPX are looking forward with hope and positive action! When our forces are ready to go, we shall take up the Crusading Sword and fight! Some brave ones have started, some are in the wings and waiting for the opportunity. Not everyone has the same ability, not everyone is a leader.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2012, 10:50:54 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson says today exactly what he said 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago. He passes on what he has received.

    He can be trusted.
    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

    "Is minic a gheibhean beal oscailt diog dunta"

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    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2012, 11:32:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ethelred
    Pablo the Bigmouth again! In his amoebae'ic conception of the world, he just can't understand what the brave Bishop Williamson is doing for the resistance. And so, lacking common sense, knowledge and humbleness, Pablo again feels pushed to attack the sharp shepherd again and again (and on IA even worse than here, because here he gets some opposing wind and a warning from the anti-liberal administrator).

    Maybe it's because Pablo's not a Cristero in reality, but just a movie actor -- and in fact this one:




    ('The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly' (1966). Starring Pablo the Mexican)


    5 Star Post!  Excellent!


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    « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2012, 11:34:34 AM »
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    Bishop Williamson says today exactly what he said 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago. He passes on what he has received.

    He can be trusted.
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    Oh?  Did he Speak Out when Abp. Lefebvre was negotiating with Rome?


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    « Reply #9 on: September 08, 2012, 12:08:38 PM »
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  • I don't know. I am a simple man, not very intelligent, and I can answer only for myself. It is not necessary to be very clever to know God's adorable will. Even dumb sheep know their shepherd.

    I trust Bishop Williamson and I support him with my prayers. I believe my Father in Heaven will reward me for that when I am called to His judgment.
    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

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    « Reply #10 on: September 08, 2012, 12:16:09 PM »
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    '... He is the only one, of the 3 bishops, who is leading the resistance..."

    Huh?

    When, where?

    As a leader newly arrived at a Battlefield, the first order of business is to remove the dead and wounded.

    I do not see that happening with any Bishop, even outside the SSPX.

    None.

    Zip.

    Nada.

    There are many crushed and being crushed by the Reich of His Excellency Bishop Fellay that have only one lowly Padre that is attempting to give his bother Priests some TLC, and comfort to the Faithful that are not SSPX bootlickers.

    The Holy Mother and her Son will:

    "Priests shall be sought among those who wield the hoe, the spade, and the hammer, as David prophesied: God lifted the poor man from the fields to place him on the throne of His people."

    It would serve the SSPX Pharisees right if God converted a Freemason Potentate to take up the fight for the Holy Faith.


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    Pablo, Bishop Williamson is astute enough to know when, where and how to act. I dont think he is going to be bushwacked by anybody. He knows Frs Chazal and Pfeiffer very well, having had them as his seminarians at Winona and having ordained them. If you think that he isn't sticking out for them, then he probably has a good reason for it.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 08, 2012, 01:01:42 PM »
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  • John McFarland, Bishop Williamson has perhaps more available (at least for now, read it while you can) historical docuмentation of his positions and actions than anyone in the Society.  You continue to ask questions in hopes of trapping people in their own thoughts.  

    Consider this interview of Bishop Williamson in answer to your question:

    http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=print_article&article_id=1609


    An Interview with the Bishop

    Interview conducted for The Angelus Press by Malcolm Brennan
    Bishop Richard Williamson gives us some insight to the situation in the Society and the Church since the consecrations took place last June.
         
    For Archbishop Lefebvre to resume negotiations with the Vatican, "what will have to happen is that they will restart on the basis of dogma. In other words, he is no longer going to talk diplomacies, discipline, questions of excommunication, schism, cannon law. He is going to talk doctrine." So said Bishop Richard P. Williamson in an interview granted to The Angelus on January 21 in Dickinson, Texas.

    Bishop Williamson had spoken with Archbishop Lefebvre earlier in the month and reported him to be in good health, despite his 83 years, and in good spirits. Insinuations that the Archbishop is senile are "absolute nonsense. His senility is wishful thinking on the part of his adversaries."

    As long as the Archbishop was without episcopal successors, Bishop Williamson explained, he felt constrained to talk with the Vatican about the technicalities of his position and the formalities of arranging Rome's approval for a bishop to succeed him. But now that four bishops have been provided (Bishop Williamson is one), the Archbishop can address the real problem. "The problem centers around doctrine, in Archbishop Lefebvre's mind, and he is absolutely right", Bishop Williamson said.

    The Heart of the Crisis

    Doctrinal errors are the ultimate source of the crisis the Church is in, the emergency which justified Archbishop Lefebvre's consecrations without Vatican approval. The "essence of the crisis is: a group of prelates and leaders occupying the position of power in Rome, who even after years and years of obvious disasters—like the churches emptying, the monasteries emptying, the whole Church collapsing—even after years and years cling to their doctrinal errors."

    "It's as though engineers had been building bridges for twenty years on the basis that 2+2=5. And the bridges collapse, and the bridges keep collapsing for twenty years. And they've got the wreckage of the bridges for twenty years in front of their eyes, and still they insist that 2+2=5."

    The multitude of errors seems to be crystallized around Vatican II's erroneous doctrine on religious liberty.
     
    Rome is Silent

    Archbishop Lefebvre has had no dealings with Rome since last summer, nor does he expect any for 6 to 12 months. A major reason for this is that Rome is preoccupied with establishing the commission created by Ecclesia Dei. This is the body envisioned during the Vatican's negotiations with the Archbishop last spring; a commission headed by Cardinal Mayer to promote the restoration of tradition in the Church, mainly by the restoration of the traditional Latin liturgy.

    The trouble which Rome faces is that many diocesan bishops are resisting the commission's attempt to have Tridentine Masses set up in their jurisdictions. Bishop Williamson points out that it is quite logical for the bishops to resist; he imagines them saying to Rome, 'Now look, you have been imposing the Council on us for twenty years, and now you want to backtrack on the Council. Make up your mind. What do you want to do?'
     
    Contradictions

    This is only one of the contradictions that Vatican officials got themselves into, Bishop Williamson said. For example, "On the one hand they excommunicate the Archbishop for practicing the old faith, and immediately after excommunicating him, the pope puts out a decree saying we must practice the old faith, and Cardinal Ratzinger speaks to the bishops of Chile saying the old faith is not such a bad thing. I mean, it's just so much contradiction. It's just so much absurdity that they get into. They pretend to be Catholic, or they've got to stop hammering the Archbishop; one or the other. But there they are, they go on doing both. It shows the absurdity of their situation."
     
    Rome Supports Tradition, Sort of...

    Rome's major instrument for its new policy of fostering tradition, inside the embrace of the Conciliar Church, is the Ecclesia Dei commission. And the commission's major instrument seems to be the Society of St. Peter.

    Bishop Williamson explained: "The Society of St. Peter is a carbon copy of the Society of Saint Pius X, which the Archbishop founded in 1970. It was founded by priests of the Society of Saint Pius X who this last summer couldn't go along with the decision of the consecrations and therefore decided to form a society of their own which would 'continue to do what the Society of Saint Pius X was doing', but while accepting the protocol of May 5."

    The attitude of the Society of St. Pius X toward the Tridentine Masses which the commission will seek to establish is one of tolerant skepticism. Tolerant, because "if the Tridentine Mass is said, grace does flow," more so than through Novus Ordo Masses. But skeptical also, because "you cannot entrust the feeding of chickens to the fox. Behind (diocesan sponsored Tridentine Masses) are the official structures of the Church, and behind the Society of St. Peter are, by the choice of the personnel themselves, the official structures of the Church. Now these are in the hands of the modernists, who are foxes, and the defense of tradition is the feeding of chickens. You can't entrust the foxes with the feeding of chickens."

    The priests who say these Masses are not suspect necessarily, nor even less the faithful who attend them; but the truth is that both are carrying out the policies of men whose careers show twenty years of catastrophic wreckage in the Church—foxes, one might say, whose bridges keep collapsing. "We can credit modernists with the very best intentions, but the fact of the matter is that they do not understand tradition," said Bishop Williamson. "And they will do their best, once they have disengaged traditionalists from Archbishop Lefebvre, they will do their best to lead them step by step into the happy Conciliar kindergarten; the children's playground of Vatican II."

    Society's Works Prosper

    Meanwhile, the Society of St. Pius X continues to flourish, said the Bishop. The large increase in Mass attendance that followed the publicity given to last summer's episcopal consecrations proved to be temporary, but we are settling down to a modest but healthy increase of 10% to 15% since that event.

    That surge of interest and the continual growth of attendance at the Society's Masses show that Catholics have not been intimidated by charges of excommunication and schism. "The reason why Catholics are quite rightly unimpressed is because they sense that you can't excommunicate somebody for doing and saying and practicing exactly what Catholics have done and said and practiced for centuries and centuries. So Catholics are rightly unimpressed. It is not that they don't take seriously excommunication and schism, it's that they don't take seriously this excommunication and this so-called schism. And they are quite right."

    Besides Mass attendance, the Society of St. Pius X has continued its normal growth in its seminarians, sisters, brothers, and monks. A few priests left the Society and took come seminarians with them (to form the Society of St. Peter), and one monastery accepted Rome's terms. But for the most part the Society has been galvanized rather than demoralized by last summer's events.
     
    Why Negotiations Failed

    Bishop Williamson was asked why the negotiations between Archbishop Lefebvre and the Vatican failed. It was because, he said, the Archbishop discovered that the Vatican negotiators really did not mean to do what they promised. He illustrated:

    "At the very time of the signing of the protocol—if I have the details correct in my head—the Archbishop asked, 'When can we have this bishop that you agree to? Can we have him June 30?' 'Ah, no. That would be too early. We have to agree on a candidate.' 'Well, can we have him by August 15?' 'Ah, no. Then there's nobody in Rome, they're all on vacation.' 'Well then, can we have him in late autumn?' 'Ah, well, you see, these docuмents take time to prepare.' 'Well, can we have him by Christmas?' 'Ah well...' Then the Archbishop realized that they don't really intend to implement what he asked for. What they pretend to grant they don't really mean to grant. They say that they are willing to grant a bishop, but then they hum and haw on the nuts and bolts."

     
    Flawless Decision?

    The followers of Archbishop Lefebvre, it has been said, treat him as if he were more infallible than the pope. But that is not so, Bishop Williamson said. The Archbishop himself acknowledges his errors: on May 6 last year he recognized that he should not have signed the agreement of the day before, and promptly corrected his error by withdrawing his signature. Bishop Williamson: "I don't think that, wise after the event, we could say, or history could say, that the Archbishop was flawless in conducting these negotiations."

    "The Archbishop is human, his love of Rome is human, he's a Churchman of tens of years; a great Churchman, and it breaks him apart to have to break with the apparent official structures of the Church. That's why he went as far as he could and further, in order to stay with the structures of the Church. He is a human instrument; no one in his right mind says the Archbishop is infallible."

    "On the other hand, even while saying that, I would say that the fruits demonstrate that the final decision he made was correct. Even if it wasn't flawless, it was correct in its essentials. And that's why so many Catholics so resoundingly continue to support the Archbishop." In addition, "he has a long track record of making substantially correct decisions."

    "We don't have to agree with every detail, but Catholic common sense tells us that he is the leader, the shepherd that God has given us in this crisis to guide us on the main lines through today's situation."
     
    New Bishops Busy

    Bishop Williamson recently spent five weeks in South Africa and in New Zealand, will soon spend a week in the Caribbean. In the spring he will make a five or six week tour of the U.S. and Canada for confirmations.

    While each of the four new bishops will work predominately in areas where his mother tongue is spoken, the Superior General has scheduled them to cross language barriers. "I think he is going to attempt to keep us crossing those language frontiers, precisely in order to stop the idea arising that we have anything like dioceses or territorial jurisdiction," because claiming territorial jurisdiction "is the hallmark of a true schism."