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Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #255 on: November 17, 2019, 08:02:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 17, 2019, 05:48:55 PM
    Is this immodest?  My opinion is that it is not.


    Immodest and UGLY! The tights do nothing to cover anything. And she is dressed "up" wearing high heels. Irrelevent for the topic - sport.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #256 on: November 17, 2019, 08:21:21 PM »
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    Coach has no proportionate reason for wearing the outfit (she's not playing), while the girls have the proportionate reason of being able to function properly during a volleyball game and not risk injury. 
    Playing sports is not a "proportionate reason" to wear immodest clothing.  Women played tennis for centuries (and went swimming) in full dresses.  No one is going to get an injury from a skirt that is past the knees.
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    Secondly, yes, that picture of the mini-skirt with leggings is immodest...borderline mortal sin, imo.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #257 on: November 17, 2019, 08:24:02 PM »
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    • I have no idea where everyone gets their immodesty standards from. Pius XI settled it already. If the skirt is barely below the knee, then it CANNOT be called decent. What is so complicated about this rule?!
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #258 on: November 17, 2019, 08:35:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 17, 2019, 08:21:21 PM
    Secondly, yes, that picture of the mini-skirt with leggings is immodest...borderline mortal sin, imo.

    :facepalm:
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #259 on: November 17, 2019, 08:40:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on November 17, 2019, 07:32:21 PM
    Well, I wouldn't wear it.  I wouldn't allow my daughters, if I had any, to wear it.  It looks like black leggings with a black mini-skirt.  It's much too form-fitting.  Why not leggings beneath looser and longer (below knee) culottes?  

    Well, the point is that the reason short skirts are immodest is because they expose the legs.  If the legs are not exposed but covered by thicker leggings that look almost like pants, then that doesn't violate modesty.  It's important to understand the why of immodesty.  This kind of fashion was not around when Pius XI issued his rules, with the assumption of short skirt being the exposure of the legs.  Now one can then say, well, she's wearing pants, and so it's unfeminine, but in this context I don't see it as being unfeminine.  Whether or not one considers it ugly is a different matter altogether.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #260 on: November 17, 2019, 08:41:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 17, 2019, 08:21:21 PM
    Playing sports is not a "proportionate reason" to wear immodest clothing.  Women played tennis for centuries (and went swimming) in full dresses.  No one is going to get an injury from a skirt that is past the knees.

    But we're not talking tennis here, rather, volleyball, where the girls often slide on their knees (thus the knee pads).  To land on you knees with a skirt between the knees and the floor would create a significant risk of injury.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #261 on: November 17, 2019, 08:47:33 PM »
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    • Some of you would reject 90% of the Catholic moral theology manuals written before Vatican II ... because you know better.

    You can do what you want yourselves, but the problem I have is when you constantly presume to impute sin to others.  You need to mind your own business, and let others works out their consciences with their confessors ... who have actually had real training in moral theology.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #262 on: November 17, 2019, 09:10:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 17, 2019, 08:41:41 PM
    But we're not talking tennis here, rather, volleyball, where the girls often slide on their knees (thus the knee pads).  To land on you knees with a skirt between the knees and the floor would create a significant risk of injury.
    Pius XI gave the standard. Pius XII said ladies should not compromise the standard under the pretext of playing sports.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #263 on: November 17, 2019, 09:13:06 PM »
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    Well, the point is that the reason short skirts are immodest is because they expose the legs.  If the legs are not exposed but covered by thicker leggings that look almost like pants, then that doesn't violate modesty.
    Ridiculous.  Skirts are meant to hide women's forms, as men are not attracted to ONLY exposed legs, but to women's curves.  The example you posted, that mini-skirt was not only short but tight.  It was a good 6 inches above the knee.  If a woman was walking or sitting down, she would be very immodest.  But the main problem is the tightness of the skirt.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #264 on: November 17, 2019, 09:15:05 PM »
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    But we're not talking tennis here, rather, volleyball, where the girls often slide on their knees (thus the knee pads).  To land on you knees with a skirt between the knees and the floor would create a significant risk of injury.
    To play volleyball in this way is manly.  You can play fun, recreational, even competitive volleyball without diving and sliding on your knees.  It is not a right for women to play in such a way, and such actions are masculine if they cannot be played properly in a skirt.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #265 on: November 17, 2019, 09:24:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 17, 2019, 09:15:05 PM
    To play volleyball in this way is manly.  You can play fun, recreational, even competitive volleyball without diving and sliding on your knees.  It is not a right for women to play in such a way, and such actions are masculine if they cannot be played properly in a skirt.
    Beautiful. Well said!
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #266 on: November 17, 2019, 09:32:22 PM »
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    Some of you would reject 90% of the Catholic moral theology manuals written before Vatican II ... because you know better.
    In the 1950s, most women would've been shamed as whores had they worn the mini-skirt w/ leggings combo you posted.  They also wouldn't have been playing volleyball in gym class (because they would've been doing something more in line with their gender's natural talents, like "Home Econ" classes).  You are the one who is arguing that such dress is "not that bad" and history is not on your side.  You're a fashion revisionist.


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    You can do what you want yourselves, but the problem I have is when you constantly presume to impute sin to others.  You need to mind your own business, and let others works out their consciences with their confessors ... who have actually had real training in moral theology.
    As you already admitted on this thread that you have little, if any, moral theology training, then your blind accusations of prude-ishness are laughable.  We live in one of the GREATEST most immoral cultures that may have ever existed in history, and you're defending the slow, slippery-slope slide of Trad girls into moral and fashion lukewarmness as if there were some moral imperative that they be able to dress in ways that are "only a venial sin".  This is madness and you are way off on this topic. 
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #267 on: November 17, 2019, 09:34:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 17, 2019, 09:15:05 PM
    To play volleyball in this way is manly.  You can play fun, recreational, even competitive volleyball without diving and sliding on your knees.  It is not a right for women to play in such a way, and such actions are masculine if they cannot be played properly in a skirt.
     
    PV,

    I just realized you are not of this world... :pray:

    You should have become a Holy religious Monk.

    Not a Monk specializing in beer making, but probably bread or fudge :incense:



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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #268 on: November 17, 2019, 09:43:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on November 17, 2019, 09:34:38 PM

    PV,

    I just realized you are not of this world... :pray:

    You should have become a Holy religious Monk.

    Not a Monk specializing in beer making, but probably bread or fudge :incense:
    I would say that PV is interested in getting to heaven, and refuses to be put to sleep by worldly amusements and liberal standards.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #269 on: November 17, 2019, 09:43:56 PM »
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    I just realized you are not of this world... 

    You should have become a Holy religious Monk.
    I've been to countless church picnics and graduation parties where volleyball is played by men and women.  The games were filled with athleticism and great play.  Women didn't need to dive around on the ground to help win.  (And most men who were good knew how to anticipate the next shot and moved their feet instead of diving on the ground, which is not that efficient of a play).
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    The overarching question is:  What role does sports play in society?  Is it being played for fun, for exercise...or for some other reason?  You can't bend the rules of modesty (in either gender) just for sport's sake.  "Well, I could play better if I was wearing different clothes."  Ok, probably true.  But how important is competition and winning, as compared to modesty and scandalizing our neighbor, not to mention our own soul?
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    Until we realize that sports is one of the gods of modernism (along with technology, food, health, fitness and entertainment), then we can't see that to lower our modesty standards for sports is a huge problem.
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