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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #240 on: November 17, 2019, 05:08:50 PM »
No, as I said, they would be venially immodest at the grocery store or elsewhere.  They would only be worn during volleyball games and practices.  Wearing them to Mass would exacerbate the sin, although I would not consider this mortally sinful even at Mass.

Why it's wrong for the coach and not the girls illustrates my point exactly.  Coach has no proportionate reason for wearing the outfit (she's not playing), while the girls have the proportionate reason of being able to function properly during a volleyball game and not risk injury.  I've attempted to explain the notion of proportionate reason.  Coach has none, but the girls do.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #241 on: November 17, 2019, 05:22:15 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on November 17, 2019, 05:08:37 PM
First of all, it'd do you well to actually post the picture he was referring to and not a different one entirely.
He was referring to the picture I posted, it is the picture that started this thread. The picture you posted was brought up later. 
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #242 on: November 17, 2019, 05:26:04 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 17, 2019, 05:08:50 PM
No, as I said, they would be venially immodest at the grocery store or elsewhere.  They would only be worn during volleyball games and practices.  Wearing them to Mass would exacerbate the sin, although I would not consider this mortally sinful even at Mass.

Why it's wrong for the coach and not the girls illustrates my point exactly.  Coach has no proportionate reason for wearing the outfit (she's not playing), while the girls have the proportionate reason of being able to function properly during a volleyball game and not risk injury.  I've attempted to explain the notion of proportionate reason.  Coach has none, but the girls do.
So you are saying that you would not allow your daughters to wear those outfits to mass and the grocery stores? Is it because of the length or because they are shabby clothes?  
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Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #243 on: November 17, 2019, 05:29:07 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 17, 2019, 02:07:23 PM
My biggest problem is with the haughty, self-righteous, Pharisaical attitude of standing in judgment over everyone ... whether or not you have all the facts or can present a rational argument.  You refuse to entertain distinctions or degrees of sin or proportionate reasons.  You pretend that moral theology is binary, or at least act like it, that either something is a mortal sin or it's perfect, that there's nothing in between.  You paint moral theology as black-and-white, whereas in actuality it admits of much gray, with prudential considerations being weighed in.  Most of all, you refuse to give anyone of the benefit of the doubt, but immediately stand on your soapbox to denounce these girls as whores ... simply because you can catch a glimpse of knee from their uniforms.

Trust me, God is much more offended by arrogant judgmental self-righteous Pharisaism than by a glimpse of female knee.
You did not address the comment above to anyone, to whom is it addressed? 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #244 on: November 17, 2019, 05:34:51 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 17, 2019, 05:26:04 PM
So you are saying that you would not allow your daughters to wear those outfits to mass and the grocery stores? Is it because of the length or because they are shabby clothes?  

On both counts.  They are above the knee (and shabby).  To say that they are venially immodest is not to say that they are OK.  People confuse venial sin with no sin.  It's still a sin and it offends God, and it's compounded by doing the sin at Mass.
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