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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #210 on: November 16, 2019, 06:02:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 16, 2019, 05:52:47 PM
    You would require of the pope an enumerated list of all condemned sports?
    The principle of preserving feminine reserve and comportment does not suffice?
    I think that "modesty," especially in the context of "public exhibition," are quite clear.
    I think the inner forum, that no one else has addressed, is key in assessing such activities.
    For example, I think women's martial arts for exhibition or pure "competition" are illegitimate.
    As I stated above, I think that women's martial arts for self-defense and defense of the family in the absence of the husband, are completely legitimate.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #211 on: November 16, 2019, 06:04:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 16, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
    You will be troubled to learn I sometimes smoke a pipe or cigar.
    Yes, troubled that you would defile your temple of the Holy Ghost with carcinogens and nervous system toxins.
    (That's a joke.)
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    Offline Incredulous

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #212 on: November 16, 2019, 06:09:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 16, 2019, 05:34:56 PM
    Don’t expect any admission from these Feeneyite heretic infiltrators.
    One is only capable of posting pics, and the other just likes to read his own words.
    They will conclude the pope was insane, puritanical, or whatever is necessary to submit to their wives.
    They are liberal feminists, and should be banned.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #213 on: November 16, 2019, 06:15:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on November 16, 2019, 05:28:21 PM
    Pope Pius XI's 1929 encyclical on Christian education, Divini illius magistri §68 (same § in which he condemns coeducation):

    Right, this absolutely persupposes and implies the general licitness of such activities by simply commenting on their "public exhibition".  Otherwise, we would clearly have expected him to declare them illicit.

    Note:   I hope that everyone understands that "gymnastics" here is a general term for "sport" and is not limited to what is popularly known as gymnastics today.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #214 on: November 16, 2019, 06:17:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 16, 2019, 05:34:56 PM
    Don’t expect any admission from these Feeneyite heretic infiltrators.
    One is only capable of posting pics, and the other just likes to read his own words.
    They will conclude the pope was insane, puritanical, or whatever is necessary to submit to their wives.
    They are liberal feminists, and should be banned.

    Dude, this quote from Pius XI clearly undermines your position that gymnastics (aka sports) is illicit per se.  Pope XI's only constraint is the protection of modesty ... in public exhibition.

    I love how when every time Johnson finds himself in a corner, he pulls out the old 'Feeneyite heretic" card ... as if Feeneyism has anything even remotely to do with this subject.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #215 on: November 16, 2019, 06:31:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 16, 2019, 06:15:25 PM
    Note:   I hope that everyone understands that "gymnastics" here is a general term for "sport" and is not limited to what is popularly known as gymnastics today.
    Gratuitous BS.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #216 on: November 16, 2019, 06:38:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on November 16, 2019, 05:36:47 PM
    By this standard, you might judge me a deficient parent for encouraging my daughters in a particular combat (not "sport") martial art.  I intend for all the women in our family to be competent in dropping and injuring any inappropriate male (or dyke) activity through "physical contact." Yes, demolish. They also shoot… with purpose.

    Not at all.

    I won't judge anyone personally, since I am not privy to the context or to the prudential judgments you have made with regard to you family and your children, of which you are the head.  I'm merely about understanding the principles.  Their application to your situation is between you, God, and your confessor.

    Also, I believe that any caveats can be outweighed by a proportionate reason.  I do not object to this type of activity with a view towards the girls being able to defend themselves and their children.  There would, however, be no proportionate reason to allow a girl to play football that I can imagine.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #217 on: November 16, 2019, 06:41:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 16, 2019, 05:50:52 PM
    He says it is also public exhibitionism which impairs girls modesty, not merely their attire.

    :facepalm: ... public exhibition, not exhibitionism.

    What this means is that they should play in public.  This implies that it's OK for them to play in a private setting.  If some girls were to play basketball or volleyball in the gym of a girls' school, that would not violate this teaching.  No mention is made of sports being incompatible with femininity.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #218 on: November 16, 2019, 06:41:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 16, 2019, 06:17:44 PM
    Dude, this quote from Pius XI clearly undermines your position that gymnastics (aka sports) is illicit per se.  Pope XI's only constraint is the protection of modesty ... in public exhibition.

    I love how when every time Johnson finds himself in a corner, he pulls out the old 'Feeneyite heretic" card ... as if Feeneyism has anything even remotely to do with this subject.
    Nice try:
    The pope is saying that whatever “gymnastics” is, it is not something which can be permitted if it threatens feminine comportment in public.
    Can you contrive some kind of gymnastics which doesn’t do that?
    No.
    As for your Feeneyite sedevacantism, it is relevant insofar as it testifies to your heresy and proud judgments, which make you a notoriously unreliable commentator on anything.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #219 on: November 16, 2019, 06:43:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 16, 2019, 06:38:57 PM
    Not at all.

    I won't judge anyone personally, since I am not privy to the context or to the prudential judgments you have made with regard to you family and your children, of which you are the head.  I'm merely about understanding the principles.  Their application to your situation is between you, God, and your confessor.

    Also, I believe that any caveats can be outweighed by a proportionate reason.  I do not object to this type of activity with a view towards the girls being able to defend themselves and their children.  There would, however, be no proportionate reason to allow a girl to play football that I can imagine.
    I don't see why it would be immoral for women to play football unless they were playing with (or maybe around) men.

    What am I missing?
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #220 on: November 16, 2019, 06:44:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 16, 2019, 06:31:08 PM
    Gratuitous BS.

    What the heck are you talking about?  This makes the term more broad than people might otherwise imagine.  I'm just clarifying a word he's using ... in case someone reading the term might be confused.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #221 on: November 16, 2019, 06:44:36 PM »
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    • Have a good night Loudestmouth; have to run, but can’t wait to beat up on you some more tomorrow (lol...tgat ought to provoke at least 6-7 Loudestmouth posts within 5 minutes)😂
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #222 on: November 16, 2019, 06:46:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 16, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
    Have a good night Loudestmouth; have to run, but can’t wait to beat up on you some more tomorrow (lol...tgat ought to provoke at least 6-7 Loudestmouth posts within 5 minutes)😂
    I see you've gone back to being as petty as possible.

    I'm against Feeneyism, have gotten more against it since I've been here, and I still know that's completely irrelevant too.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #223 on: November 16, 2019, 06:53:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on November 16, 2019, 06:43:31 PM
    I don't see why it would be immoral for women to play football unless they were playing with (or maybe around) men.

    What am I missing?

    I think that the sport is too violent for femininity.  I'm thinking of course about full-blown tackle football and not something like flag football.  I think that it's very rare for girls to play football anyway (except the occasional story of a kicker).
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #224 on: November 16, 2019, 06:54:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 16, 2019, 06:41:56 PM
    Nice try:
    The pope is saying that whatever “gymnastics” is, it is not something which can be permitted if it threatens feminine comportment in public.
    Can you contrive some kind of gymnastics which doesn’t do that?

    Uhm, if it's not in public?
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