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Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #180 on: November 16, 2019, 11:56:38 AM »
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  • Growing up, I played hockey and baseball in city league.  I played football in high school, and rugby for four years in college.  And I trained jiu-jitsu and MMA for 15 years.
    I have also played chess my whole life.
    I can assure you that the emotional and psychological state of mind provoked  between chess and rugby/MMA/etc. is not in any way comparable.
    My sports/recreation background is similar and I can assure you that the emotional and psychological state of mind provoked  between chess and soccer/martial arts/crew/etc. is entirely comparable.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #181 on: November 16, 2019, 12:01:31 PM »
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  • This thread tells me that you guys have too much time on your hands. May I suggest that you go and do some activity  with your children?  

    While you guys were wasting your time here talking about gnats, I just got a date with the two girls in bikinis that keep popping up on the Cathinfo sight. LOL , so much for those people criticizing others who posted pictures of immodest dresses two inches above the knees as being a sin for the poster.
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    We are doing family Saturday morning activities and I am posting in between. :-)


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #182 on: November 16, 2019, 12:02:00 PM »
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  • Growing up, I played hockey and baseball in city league.  I played football in high school, and rugby for four years in college.  And I trained jiu-jitsu and MMA for 15 years.
    I have also played chess my whole life.
    I can assure you that the emotional and psychological state of mind provoked  between chess and rugby/MMA/etc. is not in any way comparable.
    Sean,
    Your assurance in not an adequate principle, either.  :)
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #183 on: November 16, 2019, 12:09:12 PM »
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  • This thread tells me that you guys have too much time on your hands. May I suggest that you go and do some activity  with your children?  

    While you guys were wasting your time here talking about gnats, I just got a date with the two girls in bikinis that keep popping up on the Cathinfo sight. LOL , so much for those people criticizing others who posted pictures of immodest dresses two inches above the knees as being a sin for the poster.
    Lol

    And I get your very effective point. 

    Btw, what if I'm alone at the moment? If you say I should have better things to do, I say you could use a mirror, friend. 
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #184 on: November 16, 2019, 12:33:05 PM »
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  • This thread tells me that you guys have too much time on your hands. May I suggest that you go and do some activity  with your children?  

    While you guys were wasting your time here talking about gnats, I just got a date with the two girls in bikinis that keep popping up on the Cathinfo sight. LOL , so much for those people criticizing others who posted pictures of immodest dresses two inches above the knees as being a sin for the poster.

    Traditional Catholicism is all relative on this forum LT.

    Matthew has to keep the bikini ads going because Sean, the de facto moderator/theologian is driving-off so many members.

    Hopefully Amazon’s “Black Friday” business will keep Cathinfo healthy despite Sean’s efforts.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #185 on: November 16, 2019, 01:12:10 PM »
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  • Traditional Catholicism is all relative on this forum LT.

    Matthew has to keep the bikini ads going because Sean, the de facto moderator/theologian is driving-off so many members.

    Hopefully Amazon’s “Black Friday” business will keep Cathinfo healthy despite Sean’s efforts.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #186 on: November 16, 2019, 01:51:05 PM »
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  • Some.

    Do all women lose their feminine reserve in playing sports? Hauling a huge load of laundry up the stairs?

    I don’t see the physicality element  as a “key distinction.”

    It’s the striving for mastery or winning over a competitor that contains the potential abuse of releasing the darker side, in men as well.

    Yes, thank you for seeking distinctions.

    I don't see competition as necessarily bad, for males or for females.  When I was in school, there was a lot of competition to get the best GPA in my class at High School.  Competition can be good spirited and can help PUSH a person to perform better than he might have without it.  I might otherwise be complacent with doing "my personal best" (as the new PC term would have it) ... which complacency would lead to my not ACTUALLY doing my best.  Competition can push me to find my REAL best.

    Now, the feminine nature IS in fact more inclined to turn competition to its "darker side".  Why?  Because they make everything so personal.  It's much easier for a man NOT to resent another man, but rather actually respect him.  Men could have their butts kicked in some area, and they can shake the guy's hand sincerely and respect him for his accomplishment.  And this loss in turn can motivate him to work harder to come back and beat him ... but, again, with no hard feelings.  With females, resentment and jealousy VERY QUICKLY creeps in, and it's very difficult for them to shake it.  Of course, I speak only in terms of natural tendencies (due to our fallen natures).  Some men are very bad sports and bad losers and get jealous, whereas some women take it very well.

    But, even then, this is the case whether it's sports or beauty or academic accomplishment, or anything else.

    As you very articulately point out, competition is not the key distinctive, however, when it comes to sport.

    I also agree that a certain degree of "physical aggression" is not in keeping with feminine nature.  Certainly, girls should not be playing a sport like football, where have the time you're trying to demolish your opponent physically.  Other sports can have a certain amount of physical aggression in them, but it's not essential to the game, but just happens incidentally ... whereas in football it's almost essential to the sport.  You're SUPPOSED to tackle someone.  In these other sports, actions like that are considered fouls.  Should two ladies be allowed to "wrestle" on another?  I think not.  I agree that something like that is also contrary to feminine nature, the attempt to physically dominate your opponent.

    But take a sport like volleyball or tennis.  There's no direct physical contact there at all.  Or softball (although for some unknown reason a disproportionate of female softball players are lesbians).  Sports like basketball or soccer are somewhere in between, where the intent of the game is to achieve some objective (score a goal or a basket), but there's contact along the way.  It's incidental to your objective however.  You're not directly attacking the person but are competing do something with the ball.  You're trying to get the ball and not attack the player.

    So perhaps the distinction Sean is looking for is "contact sports" ... even though he's been unable to articulate it.  And perhaps another thing he's grasping for is the rise of adrenaline that happens during sports ... vs. intellectual competitions.  But then, there can be a rise of adrenaline associated even with solitary sports ... like running.  And also, as Mark79 points out, in a high-tense chess game.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #187 on: November 16, 2019, 02:08:16 PM »
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  • Sean, your Saint John Paul II had the most to say about sports of any pope.  You should heed his wisdom.  He's a canonized saint after all.

    https://www.stmarysmenston.org/john-paul-ii-quotes-about-sport

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #188 on: November 16, 2019, 02:29:14 PM »
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  • Yes, thank you for seeking distinctions.

    I don't see competition as necessarily bad, for males or for females.  When I was in school, there was a lot of competition to get the best GPA in my class at High School.  Competition can be good spirited and can help PUSH a person to perform better than he might have without it.  I might otherwise be complacent with doing "my personal best" (as the new PC term would have it) ... which complacency would lead to my not ACTUALLY doing my best.  Competition can push me to find my REAL best.

    Now, the feminine nature IS in fact more inclined to turn competition to its "darker side".  Why?  Because they make everything so personal.  It's much easier for a man NOT to resent another man, but rather actually respect him.  Men could have their butts kicked in some area, and they can shake the guy's hand sincerely and respect him for his accomplishment.  And this loss in turn can motivate him to work harder to come back and beat him ... but, again, with no hard feelings.  With females, resentment and jealousy VERY QUICKLY creeps in, and it's very difficult for them to shake it.  Of course, I speak only in terms of natural tendencies (due to our fallen natures).  Some men are very bad sports and bad losers and get jealous, whereas some women take it very well.

    But, even then, this is the case whether it's sports or beauty or academic accomplishment, or anything else.

    As you very articulately point out, competition is not the key distinctive, however, when it comes to sport.

    I also agree that a certain degree of "physical aggression" is not in keeping with feminine nature.  Certainly, girls should not be playing a sport like football, where have the time you're trying to demolish your opponent physically.  Other sports can have a certain amount of physical aggression in them, but it's not essential to the game, but just happens incidentally ... whereas in football it's almost essential to the sport.  You're SUPPOSED to tackle someone.  In these other sports, actions like that are considered fouls.  Should two ladies be allowed to "wrestle" on another?  I think not.  I agree that something like that is also contrary to feminine nature, the attempt to physically dominate your opponent.

    But take a sport like volleyball or tennis.  There's no direct physical contact there at all.  Or softball (although for some unknown reason a disproportionate of female softball players are lesbians).  Sports like basketball or soccer are somewhere in between, where the intent of the game is to achieve some objective (score a goal or a basket), but there's contact along the way.  It's incidental to your objective however.  You're not directly attacking the person but are competing do something with the ball.  You're trying to get the ball and not attack the player.

    So perhaps the distinction Sean is looking for is "contact sports" ... even though he's been unable to articulate it.  And perhaps another thing he's grasping for is the rise of adrenaline that happens during sports ... vs. intellectual competitions.  But then, there can be a rise of adrenaline associated even with solitary sports ... like running.  And also, as Mark79 points out, in a high-tense chess game.
    Yes, thank you for inventing your own distinction and attributing it to me, while somehow ignoring the distinction I have laid out no fewer than 5 times in the last page.
    It is either malice or incompetence, and neither is going to lead you to truth.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #189 on: November 16, 2019, 02:31:47 PM »
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  • Sean, your Saint John Paul II had the most to say about sports of any pope.  You should heed his wisdom.  He's a canonized saint after all.

    https://www.stmarysmenston.org/john-paul-ii-quotes-about-sport
    More lies and malice from the Loudestmouth on the forum:
    All know I reject the conciliar conanizations (as do you), but hey, for you the ends justify the means, and you would rather burn in hellfire for eternity than lose an argument.
    But you lose it nonetheless.
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #190 on: November 16, 2019, 02:33:07 PM »
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  • Yes, thank you for inventing your own distinction and attributing it to me, while somehow ignoring the distinction I have laid out no fewer than 5 times in the last page.
    It is either malice or incompetence, and neither is going to lead you to truth.

    That distinction has been pointed out to be meaningless, so I was trying to figure out what you're actually driving at.  If you stick with your original position, then I continue to dismiss it.


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #191 on: November 16, 2019, 02:34:13 PM »
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  • More lies and malice from the Loudestmouth on the forum:
    All know I reject the conciliar conanizations (as do you), but hey, for you the ends justify the means, and you would rather burn in hellfire for eternity than lose an argument.
    But you lose it nonetheless.

    You cannot reject them, since they were infallibly proclaimed by a legitimate pope.  These canonizations enjoy the Universal Peaceful Acceptance of the entire Church and therefore cannot be wrong.

    There is no argument here to lose.


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #192 on: November 16, 2019, 02:44:07 PM »
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  • This actually raises a more serious point.  You quote Pius XI to try proving your point but then you ignore anything John Paul II might have to say.

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    « Reply #193 on: November 16, 2019, 02:50:05 PM »
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  • Yes, thank you for seeking distinctions.

    I don't see competition as necessarily bad, for males or for females.  When I was in school, there was a lot of competition to get the best GPA in my class at High School.  Competition can be good spirited and can help PUSH a person to perform better than he might have without it.  I might otherwise be complacent with doing "my personal best" (as the new PC term would have it) ... which complacency would lead to my not ACTUALLY doing my best.  Competition can push me to find my REAL best.

    Agreed. Which is why I used the phrase, "potential for abuse" regarding competition. In using the phrase I allowed for a positive side to competition even for woman, although I am not necessarily convinced that competition in itself is not bad for women.  

    Now, the feminine nature IS in fact more inclined to turn competition to its "darker side".  Why?  Because they make everything so personal.  It's much easier for a man NOT to resent another man, but rather actually respect him.  Men could have their butts kicked in some area, and they can shake the guy's hand sincerely and respect him for his accomplishment.  And this loss in turn can motivate him to work harder to come back and beat him ... but, again, with no hard feelings.  With females, resentment and jealousy VERY QUICKLY creeps in, and it's very difficult for them to shake it.  Of course, I speak only in terms of natural tendencies (due to our fallen natures).  Some men are very bad sports and bad losers and get jealous, whereas some women take it very well.

    But, even then, this is the case whether it's sports or beauty or academic accomplishment, or anything else.

    Agreed again. I appreciate the effort at finding a true distinction in the nature of woman that provides a principled explanation. And as you pointed out, and as I have, this is the case in all competition. 

    As you very articulately point out, competition is not the key distinctive, however, when it comes to sport.

    I also agree that a certain degree of "physical aggression" is not in keeping with feminine nature.  Certainly, girls should not be playing a sport like football, where have the time you're trying to demolish your opponent physically.  Other sports can have a certain amount of physical aggression in them, but it's not essential to the game, but just happens incidentally ... whereas in football it's almost essential to the sport.  You're SUPPOSED to tackle someone.  In these other sports, actions like that are considered fouls.  Should two ladies be allowed to "wrestle" on another?  I think not.  I agree that something like that is also contrary to feminine nature, the attempt to physically dominate your opponent.

    But take a sport like volleyball or tennis.  There's no direct physical contact there at all.  Or softball (although for some unknown reason a disproportionate of female softball players are lesbians).  Sports like basketball or soccer are somewhere in between, where the intent of the game is to achieve some objective (score a goal or a basket), but there's contact along the way.  It's incidental to your objective however.  You're not directly attacking the person but are competing do something with the ball.  You're trying to get the ball and not attack the player.

    So perhaps the distinction Sean is looking for is "contact sports" ... even though he's been unable to articulate it.  And perhaps another thing he's grasping for is the rise of adrenaline that happens during sports ... vs. intellectual competitions.  But then, there can be a rise of adrenaline associated even with solitary sports ... like running.  And also, as Mark79 points out, in a high-tense chess game.

    And yet again, I appreciate the attempt to think through this. This is progress. 

    My comments are in red of course. I find this the easiest way to comment on a long post. 
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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #194 on: November 16, 2019, 02:59:59 PM »
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  • My comments are in red of course. I find this the easiest way to comment on a long post.

    Thank you for the response.  Sorry my original was so long.

    I've never said that anyone had to agree with me.  I only ask for a sincere interest in getting at the truth and rational arguments with the appropriate distinctions.