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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #150 on: November 16, 2019, 10:49:47 AM »
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  • Are spelling bees sports or recreation? Just wondering on your “key distinction” in light of my personal experience.
    Do women lose their feminine reserve when competing in spelling bees?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #151 on: November 16, 2019, 10:52:54 AM »
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  • You know, some forum software allows for people to start threads and then ban various individuals from participation in them.

    I would actually like to start a serious, rational discussion of issues like this and ban the likes of Johnson from participation in them.  I'm interested in discussing issues rationally, applying definitions and logic and distinctions ... according to a scholastic definition.  And, no, the intention isn't to limit it to people who agree with me.  That would be boring.  You can sometimes best arrive at the truth when people who disagree actually help you elicit the proper distinctions.  I'm sick and tired of the irrational emoting and huffing-and-puffing.

    I'm this close to insisting that someone actually format their argument into a syllogism before I bother responding.

    From the beginning, people blurring together the concerns of modesty and competition and physical exertion (that evidently excites the passions).  [PS most moral theologians recommend strenuous physical activity precisely in order to TAME and CONTROL and to QUELL the passions]. 


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #152 on: November 16, 2019, 10:54:22 AM »
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  • Do women lose their feminine reserve when competing in spelling bees?

    Well, some of these can get pretty intense.  I'm just waiting for some girl to rip off her shirt in exuberance after getting a difficult word right.  Could happen, you know.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #153 on: November 16, 2019, 10:59:51 AM »
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  • I do hold that direct competition between boys and girls is wrong.

    So, for instance, there should be no spelling bee that includes boy and girls competing against one another.  Girls should not compete against boys.

    But I do not hold that it's necessarily wrong for girls to compete against one another.

    Nor do I hold that vigorous physical activity is wrong for girls either.

    But, now, the current argument is that vigorous physical activity combined with competition is wrong because it excites the passions.

    But, then, to the contrary, any kind of competition can excite the passions, get people worked up against one another, hostile, etc. ... shirt-removal notwithstanding.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #154 on: November 16, 2019, 11:01:38 AM »
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  • Do women lose their feminine reserve when competing in spelling bees?
    Some.

    Do all women lose their feminine reserve in playing sports? Hauling a huge load of laundry up the stairs?

    I don’t see the physicality element  as a “key distinction.”

    It’s the striving for mastery or winning over a competitor that contains the potential abuse of releasing the darker side, in men as well.
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #155 on: November 16, 2019, 11:04:44 AM »
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  • You know, some forum software allows for people to start threads and then ban various individuals from participation in them.

    I would actually like to start a serious, rational discussion of issues like this and ban the likes of Johnson from participation in them.  I'm interested in discussing issues rationally, applying definitions and logic and distinctions ... according to a scholastic definition.  And, no, the intention isn't to limit it to people who agree with me.  That would be boring.  You can sometimes best arrive at the truth when people who disagree actually help you elicit the proper distinctions.  I'm sick and tired of the irrational emoting and huffing-and-puffing.

    I'm this close to insisting that someone actually format their argument into a syllogism before I bother responding.

    From the beginning, people blurring together the concerns of modesty and competition and physical exertion (that evidently excites the passions).  [PS most moral theologians recommend strenuous physical activity precisely in order to TAME and CONTROL and to QUELL the passions].
    :baby: 
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #156 on: November 16, 2019, 11:07:11 AM »
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  • Some.

    Do all women lose their feminine reserve in playing sports? Hauling a huge load of laundry up the stairs?

    I don’t see the physicality element  as a “key distinction.”

    It’s the striving for mastery or winning over a competitor that contains the potential abuse of releasing the darker side, in men as well.
    If I sit around privately wearing pink panties and painting my toenails, does it affect my psyche and make me less manly?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #157 on: November 16, 2019, 11:15:52 AM »
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  • ...and is not a sport, but a recreation.
    In your opinion is playing tennis a "sport" or "recreation"?


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    « Reply #158 on: November 16, 2019, 11:16:24 AM »
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  • If I sit around privately wearing pink panties and painting my toenails, does it affect my psyche and make me less manly?
    Yes, the pink is a hormone blocker and feminizes you.

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    « Reply #159 on: November 16, 2019, 11:19:17 AM »
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  • …It’s the striving for mastery or winning over a competitor that contains the potential abuse of releasing the darker side, in men as well.
    But Sean already stipulated that the competition of playing card and board games is acceptable even though someone wins and someone loses.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #160 on: November 16, 2019, 11:21:16 AM »
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  • In your opinion is playing tennis a "sport" or "recreation"?
    Sport: 
    When Bishop Williamson was sequestered in a Wimbledon attic, he wrote an EC on the “Gladiatrixes.”
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #161 on: November 16, 2019, 11:24:31 AM »
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  • Yes, the pink is a hormone blocker and feminizes you.
    Then by the same logic, one would have to conclude women participating in masculine endeavors like sports (vs recreation) become masculinized (as was shown earlier in the TIA article excerpt).  
    This also explains the disproportionately high incidence of lesbianism in women’s sports:
    The feminine psyche is damaged.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #162 on: November 16, 2019, 11:26:05 AM »
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  • If I sit around privately wearing pink panties and painting my toenails, does it make me less manly?
    Mr. Johnson,

    You asserted the physicality element of sports competition as a "key distinction." I referenced "spelling bees" as an example of how absurd your "key distinction" is, because girls have lost their "feminine reserve" in spelling bees, or any other competition - some referenced card games here. I also referenced the physical exertion of carrying a heavy load of laundry up the stairs. Does a woman lose her feminine reserve in doing so? Perhaps we should ban doing laundry loads of a certain weight to females.

    I submit that any rational man would recognize that the physicality of sports is not the "key distinctive." You do your position no favors advancing such shoddy arguments. Indeed, Traditionalism itself - or any truth - can be hurt by such poor intellectual defense. Or by, as you have done, irrelevant argumentation fed by emotion and not reason.  

    It is the competitive act. COMPETITION that is the distinctive factor in the subject to which we are adverting our minds.

    It remains so whether a man contemplates it in pink panties or a three piece suit.

    As an aside, I agree with you about women in pants, makeup, etc. We are dealing with intellectual rigor here (I hope), and not simply whether we agree with one another. Unprincipled agreement is easily exposed as inadequate when questioned by a rational interrogation. Prithee, let's strive to find adequate and supportive principles in defending truth.

    By pointing out the problems with a man "privately" doing what you say you're perhaps starting to find the right groove to arriving at some kind of principle or truth.

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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #163 on: November 16, 2019, 11:27:39 AM »
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  • Sport:
    When Bishop Williamson was sequestered in a Wimbledon attic, he wrote an EC on the “Gladiatrixes.”
    I'd be interested in that column (but not interested enough to search for it).
    I recall playing tennis with women modestly dressed and the spirit was recreational. Same with bicycling.
    I think there are objective issues, e.g., the modesty of dress, and subjective issues, e.g., the intensity and motive of the competition, that determine whether or not there is any sinfulness. The inner forum plays a key role here.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #164 on: November 16, 2019, 11:27:55 AM »
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  • But Sean already stipulated that the competition of playing card and board games is acceptable even though someone wins and someone loses.
    ...because those activities are mere recreation, not sport (ie.  They do not typically provoke aggression, imposition of will, and the desire to dominate an adversary as a sport would).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."