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Online Maria Regina

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Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2019, 10:58:20 PM »
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  • What you say is certainly true of public school sports and of many private, secular leagues.  Joining a Christian sports league eliminates the Sunday problem, but these are mainly comprised of Protestant schools.  Often, Catholics aren’t welcome because we’re not considered Christians, especially by the type of Protestants with whom we share many moral standards!  Example, Independent Baptists, Holiness congregations, Conservative Pentecostals, and many small, traditionally black and southern state churches have standards of modesty, speech, dress, respect for authority as traditional Catholics.  The problem is that they won’t accept Catholics!  
    The Protestants who will accept Catholics are liberal; they accept everyone!  One may as well play public schools and novus ordo schools.
    Public school sports was not always as it is now.  When I was in grade six, I tried out for volleyball at a friend’s insistence.  I made the team and she didn’t.  I wasn’t into sports, so my parents were a bit surprised, but I played volleyball for two years and enjoyed it, both games and practices.  There were no Saturday or Sunday activities.  Games and practices were M-F in the afternoon.  We were a middle of the road team, didn’t win the championship, but didn’t lose every game, either.  I didn’t play in grade eight because I chose another extracurricular, the Outdoors Club. When my sister hit grade six, she wanted to try out for field hockey and soccer.  I was already a high school senior, not at all involved in school sports.  My sister made the soccer team and all of a sudden, there were arguments about missing Mass—-never allowed by Dad, and staying over various friends’ houses for the weekend to accommodate Saturday practices and games instead of going camping with the family.  Too often, she got her way with the resulting alienation.  She’d agree to go to Mass, either Saturday vigil or Sunday, but often that didn’t happen.  There’d be excuses, headache, upset stomach, got a flat tire on the bike and it was too late to walk...So then Dad required a Mass bulletin. Well, one needn’t actually attend Mass to get a bulletin!  She had a boyfriend who’d supply one, or she’d pick one up on the way to or from school since the church was a block away.  By grade seven, after screaming, yelling fights, a priest whom Dad consulted said she should not be made to attend church(!?!), so she pretty much left off all religion except the five classes in the evening for Confirmation. Dad and Mom insisted in the hope that it would eventually bring her back.  Sadly, I have serious doubt as to the validity at that point in time.  
    Did sports cause the entire disaster?  No, of course not, but it didn’t help, and was definitely used by the devil as one more tool.
    The down side of attending a Protestant-led homeschool coop is that they demand that you sign their homemade Creed, not the original Nicene Creed. They also want you to attend their prayer services.

    The down side of attending a Protestant-sponsored little league program is that they want you and your child to come early and pray. Sometimes they even have a youth pastor lead prayer services before the game. Ecumenism raises it ugly head.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #16 on: August 03, 2019, 11:46:50 PM »
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  • Believe it or not I agree with everything absolutely everything  you have wrote EXCEPT you allude to the idea that with the ruling elite gone from the school it and church will grow .The ruling elite are still at the church are they not ? and besides that the damage has been done .Unfinished and shoddy construction and a huge dept we are being blackmailed into paying . That church isn't growing no matter what they say from the pulpit . That place looks like a Novus Ordo warehouse and we average 300 a Sunday WOW! that is almost as many as we had at the old church. you remember right ? it is the building turned in the performing arts center so the ruling elite construction company could make a couple of extra million off us  
    They do indeed still attend Mass at OLOS, but how long do you think that will last?  Will the Priests from the FSSP and the Bishop of Phoenix be ok with spending time and resources to offer daily Mass and hear Confessions at HFA while the families maintain Parish membership at OLOS giving tithe to an SSPX Chapel?  I think the Diocese sees their large families and the financial wherewithal that those families have and sees DOLLAR SIGNS!  Rome follows the money, right?  Back in Post Falls / Coeur d'Alene that almost happened years ago when I was there.  I think the families will gradually migrate to Mater Misericordiae Mission (FSSP Chapel in Phoenix) after they are given some gentle (maybe even not so gentle) nudges from the Diocese. 


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #17 on: August 04, 2019, 12:06:18 AM »
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  • What's wrong with boys playing sports?
    Absolutely nothing..... especially for the lads.  The problem is playing on an "interfaith sports team" in which religious lines are blurred.  Do they think the evangelical protestants won't try to convert their kids?  They are taught that they MUST under the Great Commission because Catholics are misguided idolaters who are headed to Hell unless they repent of their sins, stop worshiping Mary, and accept a "Fun Jesus" as their Lord and Savior.  We are going to Hell because we don't know that Jesus just wants to be our good buddy, so they have to correct us!!!
    Catholic teams playing AGAINST Protestant teams or AGAINST public schools or even playing on non-religious teams (i.e. Little League Baseball) are all fine and build character.  Blurring the lines and letting "Coach / Pastor Bob" influence young Catholics is wrong.  The focus isn't ONLY on the sport, there is the religious piece always just under the surface.  
    Will they pray as a team before and after games?  If so, will they hold hands in an ecumenical and heretical kumbaya or will they say a Hail Mary, invoke the help from Our Lady Queen of Victory, and finish with a sign of the Cross?  Any of you you have ever been around any damn Protestants already know that answer.  They worship a different Jesus than us (a false god):

    "Don't worry dudes ,Once Saved - Always Saved, so get out your guitars and drums to play some evangelical rock n roll jams for the kids"

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #18 on: August 04, 2019, 01:24:09 AM »
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  • They do indeed still attend Mass at OLOS, but how long do you think that will last?  Will the Priests from the FSSP and the Bishop of Phoenix be ok with spending time and resources to offer daily Mass and hear Confessions at HFA while the families maintain Parish membership at OLOS giving tithe to an SSPX Chapel?  I think the Diocese sees their large families and the financial wherewithal that those families have and sees DOLLAR SIGNS!  Rome follows the money, right?  Back in Post Falls / Coeur d'Alene that almost happened years ago when I was there.  I think the families will gradually migrate to Mater Misericordiae Mission (FSSP Chapel in Phoenix) after they are given some gentle (maybe even not so gentle) nudges from the Diocese.
    You may be absolutely right about the ruling elite moving on to greener pastures . After all they have just about bled us dry  
    "beautiful stained-glass windows which will bring the catechism of the church to life.":SSPX St Mary's KA. Window as they see fit Fund

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #19 on: August 06, 2019, 04:14:10 PM »
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  • They definitely did their part bleeding us, but to hear it from them they were just willing followers and that they basically did all of the construction / contracting "at cost" out of the goodness of their hearts.  They supposedly made sure that their subcontractors made only meager profits, too!  Come on!  The parking lots and Church steps are cracking all over!  The concrete work obviously wasn't done right (not thick enough and not sealed), but I'll bet the Parish paid for it to be done right!  Costs kept increasing during the course of the project and the donations made for stained glass windows and memorial bricks evaporated into the P&L cost line items covering who knows what expenditures.  Hmm, cutting corners to increase profits as the GC (quality control / cost management duties) while also maintaining the internal auditing powers, wow!  If you play both side you can't lose!  As me ol' granny from Belfast always said, "ay, a snake with 2 tongues makes for double the bite".  I never knew what the ol' gal meant until now!


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #20 on: August 07, 2019, 04:27:51 PM »
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  • The HFA website offers thanks and gratitude to other independent schools and organizations that had assisted them in starting up their Academy.  They offer special thanks to the Association of Classical Christian Schools (ACCS is a Protestant school association that promotes the heresies of Luther and Calvin by way of assisting independent Protestant schools start-up, operate, and grow).  HFA also thanks several Protestant schools that helped them with their school policy and handbook creation.  I wonder if they will teach "Ecumenism 101", "The Importance of the Reformation", and "Errors of the Roman Catholic Church aka the Whore of Babylon"?  

    Ay, now I need a pint of the black stuff!  All of this HFA craic is making me thirsty!

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #21 on: August 09, 2019, 07:03:41 AM »
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  • Just to be clear, Holy Family is NOT an SSPX school( not listed on the website) Don’t blame the Society for what they do

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #22 on: August 09, 2019, 11:29:14 AM »
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  • Just to be clear, Holy Family is NOT an SSPX school( not listed on the website) Don’t blame the Society for what they do
    I don't think anyone on this post was blaming the Society for what this group of families has done while creating this school.  The Society, and especially OLOS. are victims in all this since HFA has been targeting Parish families in an effort to recruit away students.  HFA is even using a stolen Parish directory to mail their HFA brochures to OLOS Parishioners' homes.  The other victims in this are the HFA students who are being scandalized by being led and influenced by a Novus Ordo Principal and Protestant coaches and teammates. 


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #23 on: August 10, 2019, 01:20:23 AM »
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  • Just to be clear, Holy Family is NOT an SSPX school( not listed on the website) Don’t blame the Society for what they do
    No one is blaming the SSPX or OLoS for the HFA scandal We are not only the
    victims as a matter of fact we are being victimized by the same family twice as they the founders of HNA are also the owners of the construction company that built our for the lack of a better word church. No I'm afraid the society is to blame for a lot the problems we are having but not this
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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #24 on: August 10, 2019, 01:27:32 AM »
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  • No one is blaming the SSPX or OLoS for the HFA scandal We are not only the
    victims as a matter of fact we are being victimized by the same family twice as they the founders of HNA are also the owners of the construction company that built our for the lack of a better word church. No I'm afraid the society is to blame for a lot the problems we are having but not this
    The SSPX is arguably culpable for not recognizing the influence and for not toppling the clique before the catastrophes.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #25 on: August 10, 2019, 02:38:55 AM »
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  • The SSPX is arguably culpable for not recognizing the influence and for not toppling the clique before the catastrophes.
     Can't argue with that now that I think about it.
    "beautiful stained-glass windows which will bring the catechism of the church to life.":SSPX St Mary's KA. Window as they see fit Fund


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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #26 on: August 11, 2019, 02:18:36 PM »
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  • No one is blaming the SSPX or OLoS for the HFA scandal We are not only the
    victims as a matter of fact we are being victimized by the same family twice as they the founders of HNA are also the owners of the construction company that built our for the lack of a better word church. No I'm afraid the society is to blame for a lot the problems we are having but not this
    Very true... well said!

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #27 on: August 11, 2019, 02:20:31 PM »
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  • The SSPX is arguably culpable for not recognizing the influence and for not toppling the clique before the catastrophes.
    That is a good point and it's hard to argue with since someone at a higher level than the young / inexperienced Priest who was the Prior at the time should have noticed what was going on.  This family ran circles around the young Priest and lined their pockets in the process.  

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #28 on: August 14, 2019, 02:20:31 PM »
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  • I looked at his Instagram. He doesn't know how to spell "haboob." He'll have to learn now that he lives in Phoenix.

    He seems harmless...and STRAIGHT.

    Hooligan, it's not right to rip on some guy, especially considering nothing bad has happened! It makes you look like you have sour grapes.

    He might not be what you envision for a teacher, but there are good people of good will in the Novus Ordo, you know.

    Come to think of it, that guy seems a lot better than a certain boys' school teacher at Post Falls that was removed, who we are not to name. The one that had a certain "culpability."  ;)
    You're right.  There truly are many good folk in the Novus Ordo and I'm actually not ripping this guy personally.  He appears to be a nice enough guy and probably has no idea what he signed on for at HFA.  At face value, I would hope that HFA might bring him to Tradition, but that's not really what they're about.  I'm actually ripping HFA and the elitist family that runs it.  They act like they are "Holier Than Thou" and more "Traditional Catholic than ABF himself", but they hire a Novus Ordo Principal and Novus Ordo teachers to teach the HFA kids who, according to them, "weren't receiving a sound and well-rounded Traditional Catholic education" at OLOSA.  Total BS.  Sorry, it is what it is, though.  Am I venting?  Yes.  They drained the Parish coffers and lined their pockets and, at the end of the day, they are just elitist fakes.

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    Re: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX
    « Reply #29 on: August 15, 2019, 11:26:24 AM »
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    Hool: but they hire a Novus Ordo Principal and Novus Ordo teachers to teach the HFA kids who, according to them, "weren't receiving a sound and well-rounded Traditional Catholic education" at OLOSA.  Total BS.  Sorry, it is what it is, though.  Am I venting?  Yes.  They drained the Parish coffers and lined their pockets and, at the end of the day, they are just elitist fakes.


     
    Which begs the questions: Are sspx schools good for anything now, since, I speculate, a “well-rounded Traditional Catholic education” is not available in any of the sspx schools nation wide? Does the sspx serve any real purpose at all in the traditional world? And wouldn’t traditional Catholics be well advised to leave this shell of an apostalate behind, and seek refuge elsewhere?

     

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