Author Topic: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX (Read 59598 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #45 on:** November 13, 2019, 08:20:27 PM »

I think that their coach is the bigger issue. She is not playing and need not be dressed that way.

As for the girls, I think that the clothes might be as modest as you can get while playing the sport. As far as girls' sports, if they are in a closed venue with a known girls sport taking place, then if some guy shows up there and finds himself "tempted," then he should have known better than to go there. But it looks like they are outside of the sports venue, and the picture should not have been taken that way. They could have had them stand up and capture only the view above the bottoms of their uniforms. So, for instance, if there's a private property, a camp, for instance, where it's just girls in attendance, they could go swimming. So what might be OK in that context, may not be outside of it. Same thing applies to some girls' sports. In a Catholic society, girls' sporting events should likely be offlimits to men and boys ... except as necessary. But, as it is, if they restrict their immodesty to within the venue, nobody is forcing any man to attend. If I walk into a womens' locker room and see nude women, is that their fault and are they being "immodest"? I should not have gone in there ... obviously. Likewise, if there's a girls' swim meet, I should not go in there, nor a girls' volleyball game.

So, the rules, IMO, should be:
1) dress as modestly as possible given the sport if someone is playing (coach and other staff do not count)
2) keep the objectively-immodest dress within the venue (don't venture outside of the venue or take pictures that aren't properly cropped)

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #46 on:** November 13, 2019, 09:00:37 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 13, 2019, 08:20:27 PM

I think that their coach is the bigger issue. She is not playing and need not be dressed that way.

As for the girls, I think that the clothes might be as modest as you can get while playing the sport. As far as girls' sports, if they are in a closed venue with a known girls sport taking place, then if some guy shows up there and finds himself "tempted," then he should have known better than to go there. But it looks like they are outside of the sports venue, and the picture should not have been taken that way. They could have had them stand up and capture only the view above the bottoms of their uniforms. So, for instance, if there's a private property, a camp, for instance, where it's just girls in attendance, they could go swimming. So what might be OK in that context, may not be outside of it. Same thing applies to some girls' sports. In a Catholic society, girls' sporting events should likely be offlimits to men and boys ... except as necessary. But, as it is, if they restrict their immodesty to within the venue, nobody is forcing any man to attend. If I walk into a womens' locker room and see nude women, is that their fault and are they being "immodest"? I should not have gone in there ... obviously. Likewise, if there's a girls' swim meet, I should not go in there, nor a girls' volleyball game.

So, the rules, IMO, should be:
1) dress as modestly as possible given the sport if someone is playing (coach and other staff do not count)
2) keep the objectively-immodest dress within the venue (don't venture outside of the venue or take pictures that aren't properly cropped)

Girls have no business playing sports (a masculine recreation whose only purpose is to encourage competitiveness and provide a cathartic outlet for aggression in a controlled environment).

Saying girls can play sports privately still undermines their feminine psyche, and encourages masculine traits incompatible with submissiveness, nurturing, and other essential qualities of espousal and motherhood.

Essentially what you are saying is that I could sit around in thong underwear and practice knitting and embroidery, so long as only other “men” are around, and any pics of me in a inappropriate attire are carefully cropped.

This vigorous defense by some of women in sports reveals an undeniable taint of feminism, and is surprising to see coming from those who consider themselves traditional.

Soon we will hear from Fr. Urrutigoity, warning us not to be puritanical.

Yes, for any who have not yet been slow-boiled in modernism, women in sports is a scandal (as are the demeaning outfits, which seem to be nothing more than a contrived facade of modesty, but which are in reality an ulterior means by which to be modern, and show some leg).

Nadir · « **Reply #47 on:** November 14, 2019, 03:14:39 AM »

I think you make a good point, Sean.

As a child I was never happy when I had sport, and I would ask the teacher could I polish the desks instead. She would allow me!

I thought it was because I was not very physically adept, but maybe it was that Unconsciously I felt what you are describing. I could never compete in sports.

Thank you. The only physical recreation (not competitive sport) that I enjoyed was swimming, but never competitively.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #48 on:** November 14, 2019, 03:38:33 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 13, 2019, 08:20:27 PM

As far as girls' sports, if they are in a closed venue with a known girls sport taking place, then if some guy shows up there and finds himself "tempted," then he should have known better than to go there. ….In a Catholic society, girls' sporting events should likely be offlimits to men and boys ... except as necessary. But, as it is, if they restrict their immodesty to within the venue, nobody is forcing any man to attend.

When discussing immodest dress, your focus appears always to be on the sin of tempting men. Your comment above further corroborates it. What you are describing is a type of situational "modesty". The entire comment from SJ is spot on, but the part that directly applies to your erroneous mindset is this:

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Essentially what you are saying is that a group of girls could sit around in thong underwear and practice knitting and embroidery, so long as other “men” are not around, and any pics of them in the inappropriate attire are carefully cropped.

Until you fully imbibe and understand the other and deeper repercussions of the sin of immodestly, you will forever see this as a simple matter of the sin of tempting men. I think the error comes from your coming from a good clean background (nothing to feel unmanly about), and you even thought of being a priests, going to the seminary for x years . I on the other hand was raised in the streets, living in sin, never having learned anything about the faith (and that is nothing to be proud of). Maybe that is why SSPX priests do not speak of the immodest dress, they do not see it either, to their mindset it is just a silly matter of a few inches of cloth.

Incredulous · « **Reply #49 on:** November 14, 2019, 05:35:29 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 13, 2019, 09:00:37 PM

Girls have no business playing sports (a masculine recreation whose only purpose is to encourage competitiveness and provide a cathartic outlet for aggression in a controlled environment).

Saying girls can play sports privately still undermines their feminine psyche, and encourages masculine traits incompatible with submissiveness, nurturing, and other essential qualities of espousal and motherhood.

Essentially what you are saying is that I could sit around in thong underwear and practice knitting and embroidery, so long as only other “men” are around, and any pics of me in a inappropriate attire are carefully cropped.

This vigorous defense by some of women in sports reveals an undeniable taint of feminism, and is surprising to see coming from those who consider themselves traditional.

Soon we will hear from Fr. Urrutigoity, warning us not to be puritanical.

Yes, for any who have not yet been slow-boiled in modernism, women in sports is a scandal (as are the demeaning outfits, which seem to be nothing more than a contrived facade of modesty, but which are in reality an ulterior means by which to be modern, and show some leg).

   There are many ideals, we Trads should strive to achieve. Do you agree?

   For example, Catholic gentlemen shouldn't describe their debate adversaries as pieces of excrement, stupid or incapable.

   To put the neo-trad ladies into context:

     1. They are living in the hottest state in the nation. I didn't fine their attire or their fat little knees provocative.
         It could have been much, much worse.

     2. While many sports are out-of-bounds, Catholic girls should be able to do something in the field of sports.

     3. Our Lady of Sorrows has many more problems than athletic culottes.

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