Author Topic: Holy Family Academy - ANOTHER SCANDAL IN PHOENIX (Read 70785 times)

Mark 79 · « **Reply #225 on:** November 16, 2019, 09:28:24 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 16, 2019, 06:38:57 PM

Not at all.

I won't judge anyone personally, since I am not privy to the context or to the prudential judgments you have made with regard to you family and your children, of which you are the head. I'm merely about understanding the principles. Their application to your situation is between you, God, and your confessor.

Also, I believe that any caveats can be outweighed by a proportionate reason. I do not object to this type of activity with a view towards the girls being able to defend themselves and their children. There would, however, be no proportionate reason to allow a girl to play football that I can imagine.

Crime rates and morality being what they are, nobody is safe anywhere.

I too cannot envision an excuse for females playing football.

I am surprised that this discussion is so heated.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #226 on:** November 17, 2019, 12:22:15 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on November 14, 2019, 04:21:20 PM

It appears that the girls were out in public, in this picture, but I do not consider playing in an arena where the scheduled event states that it's a girls' match ... to be public. You have to buy a ticket to get in. And the events are not viewable to someone who hasn't entered the arena of his own accord. Secondly, the degree of immodesty here is something might even be tolerable at Mass. These uniforms are not even close to being gravely immodest. Even if these girls walked out to the grocery store like this, truly in public, I would consider it a venial violation of modesty at the most. But with regard to a sport that is clearly billed as a girls' sporting event, I consider this acceptable. Now, if they were wearing those so-called "spanks" which have their butt cheeks hanging out and leaving little to the imagination, yeah, that would be in appropriate even in the relatively closed venue. But, really? These uniforms are just not that bad. What, because someone can catch a glimpse of knee when they're standing up. Even that is mitigated by the fact that they are wearing knee pads.

Now, the coach in the picture appears to have an inappropriate skirt on ... without any whatsoever reason to do so. Now, THAT is a bad example to the girls on the team for sure. Now, I can see it being a problem if the players' skirts were too long over the knee. If they were to go down on their knees, the skirt could actually get caught between the floor and their knee and they could be injured.

I bet that their competition was very badly dressed, and the fact that they beat them sends a message that you don't need to dress like that to be competitive. I think that the excuse for the immodesty in dress is the competitive advantage to be gained from it ... although for girls it's usually an excuse to practice exhibitionism.

This thread has gone into minute details and turned into a food fight over minute details and in the end it is impossible for a reader to know what Ladislaus really believes and practices. This has become kind of like a debate on EENS between SJ and Ladislaus, except in this case it is reversed, in EENS we know exactly where Ladislaus stands, he believes it exactly as the dogmas are written, while we do not know what SJ believes because it is impossible to know what a person who calls others Feeneyites, really believes. In the end they don't even know what they believe. So, in this posting I'd like to pin down the important points with what I have read that Ladislaus has written, to get closer to understand what he has said he believes. I hope this analogy of Strict EENS vs People who call others Feeneyites strikes a cord with you Ladislaus and will bring you to just say clearly what you believe, for you sound just like the people who call others Feeneyites, you seem to be embarrased to fully reveal what you believe. I've never seen this in you before.

The subject that started this of this discussion and is the subject of this thread is this girls volleyball teams outfits and the above was Ladislaus conclusion on the matter. I responded to that conclusion at length and even started a new thread based on his conclusion here: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-daughters-being-lost-to-the-world-1960s-all-over-again/ it is entitled "SSPX Trad Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again", therefore I will not repeat myself here.

Questions for Ladislaus

Ladislaus concludes that: "These uniforms are not even close to being gravely immodest. Even if these girls walked out to the grocery store like this....These uniforms are just not that bad....might even be tolerable at Mass". You had been told quite a few times that the girls are jumping around and diving to get balls, and that the upper thighs are constantly being exposed, and yet you still consider these outfits to be appropriate?

Do you still consider this "excuse" to still hold after all the responses you've gotten: "It appears that the girls were out in public, in this picture, but I do not consider playing in an arena where the scheduled event states that it's a girls' match ... to be public."?

Pax Vobis rightly stated that the girls can't play and the parents can't attend matches against other teams because the other teams are basically in their underwear, naked. Do you agree with that?

SJ and others said that girls can't take part in the competitive sport of volleyball (to be precise) and I defined a team sport with examples quite a few times, as a sporting activity where a school has a team that practices together all week to play against other school teams? You said it was OK to play competitive team volleyball at first, but I believe later you changed your mind? If the opposing team was a trad school that wore even better outfits than the team of this thread would it be acceptable to you?

Answering the above would clear up things with everyone, the same as a person who calls another a Feeneyites saying that they limit their belief to the belief in the theory of BOD of the catechumen of St. Thomas Aquinas.

Bonaventure · « **Reply #227 on:** November 17, 2019, 10:53:06 AM »

The more this thread prattles on, the more it becomes clear that Islam has a leg up on certain CathInfoTrad^TM.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #228 on:** November 17, 2019, 11:27:25 AM »

Quote from: Bonaventure on November 17, 2019, 10:53:06 AM

The more this thread prattles on, the more it becomes clear that Islam has a leg up on certain CathInfoTrad^TM.

Is that you, Fr. Urrutigoity?
PS: These Muslims are liberals; women have no business playing soccer.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #229 on:** November 17, 2019, 11:27:39 AM »

Quote from: Bonaventure on November 17, 2019, 10:53:06 AM

The more this thread prattles on, the more it becomes clear that Islam has a leg up on certain CathInfoTrad^TM.

Bonaventure-
You forgot to accuse us of prudery and puritanism!
What would Fr. Urrutigoity say??
PS: These are obviously liberal Muslims, as women have no business playing soccer. No point in trying to dress modestly, if they are only going to be turned into lesbians in the end by inculcating manly qualities, at the expense of their femininity.

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