Seraphim is right, AntiFellayism. Patricius was wrong to make that remark, but let's not make fun of his personal problems.

Quote from: Seraphim

Antifellayism:

1) Certainly, I do not agree with the current editorial policy and position of Ignis Ardens, with regard to the current situation in the SSPX;

2) I ceased posting on that forum for precisely that reason;

3) However (coming from one who has made his share of intemperate remarks!), I hope I will not be accused of trying to be "holier that thou" if I observe that your post is sorely lacking in Catholic charity;

4) If Patricius has written the things you ascribe to him, they are certainly ridiculous;

5) You could have simply have said as much, and went on to back your position with an objective rationale;

6) But rather than doing so, you opted to ridicule his past illness;

7) That goes beyond mere poor taste and low class, and enters into the realm of becomming a morally culpable issue;

8) Heaven knows I am an adversary of Patricius in these recent matters, but not at a personal level;

9) Good grief!  Posts like this certainly do us no favors!

Seraphim

1) My point isn't to show how his well known position is condemnable but to show how shamelessly he went a step further in excommunicating +W and his supporters from the Church!


2) That has nothing to do with my post, I'm sorry.


3) It's not only about intemperate but insane remarks of excommunication. I hope you haven't soften enough to think counter-attacking accordistas is a "hollier than thou" approach; and if you want to point the sorely '"lack of charity" you should definitely do a better job in pointing that out.


4)There's no "if", link was provided.


5) If what was said by him was that ridiculous, as you appear to admit, no objective rationale will suffice, IMO.  


6) Ridiculous excommunications performed by ridiculous accordista will always be ridiculed by me, I'm sorry if you disagree.


7) That's your opinion; not the opinion of many catholic apologetics and saints such as St. Francis the Sales, St. John Chrysostom or Fr. Sarda Y Salvany, author of Liberalism is a Sin:

"If the propagation and the necessity of combating evil require the employment of terms somewhat harsh against error and its supporters, this usage is certainly not against charity."

"In the writings of the great athletes of Christianity the usage of irony, imprecation, execration and of the most crushing epithets is continual."

"The accusation of indulging in personalities is not spared to Catholic apologists, and when Liberals and those tainted with Liberalism have hurled it at our heads they imagine that we are overwhelmed by the charge. But they deceive themselves. We are not so easily thrust in the back ground. We have reason and substantial reason on our side. In order to combat and discredit false ideas, we must inspire contempt and horror in the hearts of the multitude for those who seek to seduce and debauch them. A disease is inseparable from the persons of the diseased."

"Whence do the Liberals derive their power to impose upon us the new obligation of fighting errors only in the abstract and of lavishing smiles and flattery upon them?"

"The declared enemies of God and of the Church should be defamed as much as possible, provided we don't lack the truth it is a charitable act to shout: 'Here's the wolf!' Whether he is in the flock or anywhere to be found."

"If, however, through works they profaned the faith and don't hide themselves
covered with shame under the earth, why they get irritated against
us, who condemn with words that what they manifest with,
actions? "



8) That has nothing to do with my post either.


9) Again, your opinion not mine.

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Agreed, Seraphim!  Agreed!

A/F was WAY out of line and owes Patricius a formal apology for his cruel and stupid attack on a man with a publicly known, and often very difficult and painful, medical condition.

A/F, as others have already pointed out to you, it really takes no courage at all to walk the battlefied after combat has ceased, shooting the wounded.

And, as still others have also pointed out to you, your sophomoric "zeal" comes with no good grace and discredits traditionalists in the eyes of their fellow Catholics.

As much as I disagree with Patricius' private position on the subject, he is a man and deserving of our patience, our willingness to bear with his opinion in a civil manner and, most of all, our respect and courtesy simply for being a Catholic.

He has expressed himself on a contentious point concerning a controversial person in an ambiguous situation.  Not a one of us agrees with the statement he made. However, he has every right to state it even if, on its face, there are any number of problems in doing so.

Nevertheless, other Catholics and even perhaps some non-Catholics reading your visceral, vindictive words about Patricius' medical situation will be well within their rights, as well, to take great umbrage at their manifest severity and think ill, perhaps for a very long time, of traditionalists generally.

At least Patricius did something to help himself recover.

Go, and do likewise.

The only 'medical condition' I'm attacking is his mind's disease i.e. Liberalism; so I have no idea where you're getting your charitable anger from, maybe you should consider a medical visit yourself.

He has no right to say what he said, period.

I owe him an apology? You're pathetic!

Go find some other rights that allow lay people to excommunicate a Bishop and his supporters... Trads like you will be soon filling the pews of the hybrid masses no doubt.

Your post makes me sick.