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Offline Aleah

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Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2018, 12:31:56 PM »
http://sspx.org/en/content/29002

The validity of SSPX Marriages
From now on, just as we no longer have to invoke an extraordinary jurisdiction to hear confessions validly, we no longer have to invoke the state of necessity to validly marry couples, unless the bishop opposes the new provisions and refuses the delegation requested by the pope.
This does not mean that the state of grave necessity has come to an end, but only that the authorities of the Church no longer refuse to grant Tradition some means of development. The pre-conciliar Mass was recognized in 2007 as never having been abrogated. The unjust excommunications of the bishops of the Society were lifted in 2009. The non-recognition of the valid ministry of SSPX priests in the sacrament of penance came to an end in 2015. The alleged irregularity of the Society priest, the authorized witness to the sacrament of marriage, has now been lifted, for the good of the spouses. 
However, just as the sacrament of penance was not invalidly conferred by the priests of the Society of St. Pius X before 2015, neither were the marriages celebrated without the official delegation of the local bishop or parish pastor.
Indeed, Church law states that in order to be valid, a marriage must be celebrated before the parish priest or his delegate, and in the presence of at least two witnesses (1917 Code, canon 1094; 1983 Code, canon 1108). But the priests of the Society of St. Pius X are not parish priests. That is why some try to pretend that, without a delegation, a priest of this society cannot receive marriage vows. Such a marriage would be invalid because of its lack of canonical form.
But the same Church law also provides for the following extraordinary situation (1917 Code, canon 1098; 1983 Code, canon 1116): “If a person competent to assist according to the norm of law cannot be present or approached without grave inconvenience.” If this situation is likely to last at least one month, then the Church declares valid a marriage celebrated before only the witnesses. If a non-delegated priest can be present, he must be called upon to receive the vows. This legislation is a simple application of the fundamental principles of Canon law: The supreme law is the salvation of souls, and The sacraments are for men who are well-disposed.
And if by chance there still remains any doubt as to this extraordinary situation, we answer that in cases of doubt, the Church gives supplied jurisdiction (1917 Code, canon 209; 1983 Code, canon 144). So all doubt is removed, and the marriages celebrated in the Society of St. Pius X, even without a delegation, were most certainly valid, because of the state of necessity.
The State of Necessity Remains
This state of grave necessity in the Church has not disappeared. This is not to deny the terrible reality.

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Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2018, 12:33:44 PM »
The new arrangements that make it possible to receive a delegation from the Ordinary do not mean that it is the modern priests who will prepare, organize, or celebrate the marriages of our faithful, obviously. The priests of Tradition cannot entrust the faithful who come to them to prepare holily for marriage to those who profess false principles or could endanger the faith of the future spouses by imparting to them an erroneous conception of Christian marriage. Pope Francis simply wishes the Ordinaries to give delegation to SSPX priests. His approach is essentially legal. As Fr. Cédric Burgun, vice-dean of the Faculty of Canon Law in Paris, declared: “The Pope is not settling the doctrinal debate. He is removing ambiguities on the legal issue, and making valid and licit the marriages that will be celebrated under the conditions decreed by Rome.” (RCF, April 5, 2017)
The implementation of these provisions will be delicate, especially if it is a diocesan priest who comes to receive the vows. But it seems that it will be easy to explain that the fiancés would be uncomfortable with making their marriage vows before a priest they do not know, and will probably never see again. Many want a priest they know and respect, sometimes even a relative, to celebrate their engagement and wedding. The Roman docuмent’s “insofar as possible” seems broad and vague enough to convince the local bishop of the practical and concrete difficulties its application presents.


Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2018, 01:09:45 PM »
And here I thought the SSPX was canonically established as a missionary order.

Missionaries do not need approval of anyone to administer any sacrament.

Furthermore, priests do not administer the sacrament of matrimony.  He does not even need to witness for the couple to have a valid, legitimate, catholic marriage.  He is there ONLY as a witness and to bless the marriage (which can be done afterwards).

Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2018, 03:58:22 PM »
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/headline-news-around-the-world/item/3807-sspx-and-the-novus-ordo-a-new-spirit-of-cooperation

The Remnant has picked up the story, so feel free to add to their comments.

REMNANT COMMENT: This story broke on several websites that cited it as proof the SSPX no longer believes there is a state of emergency in the Church. While this attitude fails to take into account the complexities of the situation as well as a growing SSPX annulment problem, this development represents a rather dramatic change in attitude that may indeed signal a gradual moving away from the state of urgency/supplied jurisdiction argument.  Our sources tell us the SSPX is now working with as many as ten bishops who either grant them delegations or supply them with diocesan priests to conduct their marriages. We leave it to our readers to decide for themselves if this newfound cooperation with the Novus Ordo is cause for concern or celebration. 


Remnant Moderator .  • 2 hours ago
"At the time of this posting we did not have confirmation as to where the mass was celebrated. It has since been confirmed by the groom, who informed us that the SSPX priest did in fact offer the traditional Latin Mass at the Novus Ordo church, and we have since added that detail. Far from trying to hide this fact, it offers further indication of a cooperation between the Society in the mainstream church which heretofore was unheard of. This is not to suggest that said cooperation is intrinsically evil in an of itself, of course -- but newsworthy? Indeed! If nothing else, here we have a case of a Novus priest allowing a SSPX priest to come into his church and offer the TLM--something which a few years ago would have been absolutely unthinkable from all sides."



Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2018, 05:24:11 PM »
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/headline-news-around-the-world/item/3807-sspx-and-the-novus-ordo-a-new-spirit-of-cooperation

Remnant Moderator .  • 2 hours ago
"At the time of this posting we did not have confirmation as to where the mass was celebrated. It has since been confirmed by the groom, who informed us that the SSPX priest did in fact offer the traditional Latin Mass at the Novus Ordo church, and we have since added that detail. Far from trying to hide this fact, it offers further indication of a cooperation between the Society in the mainstream church which heretofore was unheard of. This is not to suggest that said cooperation is intrinsically evil in an of itself, of course -- but newsworthy? Indeed! If nothing else, here we have a case of a Novus priest allowing a SSPX priest to come into his church and offer the TLM--something which a few years ago would have been absolutely unthinkable from all sides."


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