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Offline Last Tradhican

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Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
« on: March 22, 2018, 01:53:46 PM »
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    • http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/03/20/sspx-canada-implicitly-admits-state-of-necessity-no-longer-exists/ 
    St. Raphael’s Priory of the SSPX in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada has published its March 2018 Bulletin in which there is a picture of a married couple standing beside a Novus Ordo priest and Fr. Richard Vachon, SSPX.  It seems that the couple were married by the Novus Ordo priest in his parish and Fr. Vachon celebrated the Traditional Mass afterwards.  By this act, the SSPX Canadian District has implicitly admitted that the state of necessity no longer exists.  Therefore, it can no longer resort to using the argument of supplied jurisdiction for the validity of its marriages.

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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #1 on: March 22, 2018, 01:56:31 PM »
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    • Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?

    Hey SSPX, are you saying that my marriage in an SSPX chapel 15+ years ago is not valid? Are you saying that I have been living in adultery all this time?
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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 01:59:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 22, 2018, 01:53:46 PM
    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/03/20/sspx-canada-implicitly-admits-state-of-necessity-no-longer-exists/
    St. Raphael’s Priory of the SSPX in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada has published its March 2018 Bulletin in which there is a picture of a married couple standing beside a Novus Ordo priest and Fr. Richard Vachon, SSPX.  It seems that the couple were married by the Novus Ordo priest in his parish and Fr. Vachon celebrated the Traditional Mass afterwards.  By this act, the SSPX Canadian District has implicitly admitted that the state of necessity no longer exists.  Therefore, it can no longer resort to using the argument of supplied jurisdiction for the validity of its marriages.

    I guess your title is catchier than mine...
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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #3 on: March 22, 2018, 02:57:06 PM »
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    • I'd be interested to know when this wedding took place.  I thought it was forbidden to solemnize marriage at forbidden times (ie: Lent/Advent)? 
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    « Reply #4 on: March 22, 2018, 04:02:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: jvk on March 22, 2018, 02:57:06 PM
      I thought it was forbidden to solemnize marriage at forbidden times (ie: Lent/Advent)?
    It is forbidden to solemnize marriage during lent.  That is, it is forbidden to receive the sacrament of matrimony during lent.
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    « Reply #5 on: March 22, 2018, 04:03:20 PM »
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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #6 on: March 22, 2018, 04:08:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on March 22, 2018, 04:02:01 PM
    It is forbidden to solemnize marriage during lent.  That is, it is forbidden to receive the sacrament of matrimony during lent.
    No. It is not forbidden to receive the sacrament of matrimony during Lent.
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    « Reply #7 on: March 22, 2018, 04:48:29 PM »
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    • I don't know if it is strictly forbidden during Lent but it is certainly discouraged to the point that in traditional circles at least, it is not done. 

    Lent and Advent are penitential seasons, hardly conducive to celebrating a joyous occasion such as a marriage.  If it would be allowed at all I'm sure the "celebration" would have to be very low key.
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    « Reply #8 on: March 22, 2018, 05:02:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Motorede on March 22, 2018, 04:08:46 PM
    No. It is not forbidden to receive the sacrament of matrimony during Lent.
    Did the precepts of the Church change?


    My Baltimore catechism says:
    Not to marry persons who are not Catholic, nor related to us within the third degree of kindred, nor privately without witnesses, nor to solemnize marriage during forbidden times (sundays, holy days of obligation, lent, or advent).
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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #9 on: March 22, 2018, 05:54:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on March 22, 2018, 05:02:26 PM
    Did the precepts of the Church change?


    My Baltimore catechism says:
    Not to marry persons who are not Catholic, nor related to us within the third degree of kindred, nor privately without witnesses, nor to solemnize marriage during forbidden times (sundays, holy days of obligation, lent, or advent).
    The counterfeit Vatican II church changed that in 1983, and in 1988 said marriage is prohibited only on Good Friday and Holy Saturday.

    Apparently the SSPX likes that new law. They do not like calling John XXII and JPII saints and great, but they like this new law. They can pick and choose, like in a cafeteria.

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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #10 on: March 22, 2018, 06:00:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 22, 2018, 01:56:31 PM
    Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?

    Hey SSPX, are you saying that my marriage in an SSPX chapel 15+ years ago is not valid? Are you saying that I have been living in adultery all this time?

    Hey SSPX,

    Are my children bastards?
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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #11 on: March 22, 2018, 07:06:12 PM »
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    • Solemnize means no big celebration. Once again people popping off... 
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    « Reply #12 on: March 22, 2018, 07:34:21 PM »
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    • The first thing I notice is that the novus ordo priest is not wearing a cassock, and I presume not required to wear a cassock like sspx.  I personally would require it.  Sspx laity must follow a dress code, why should a novus ordo priest not be required to follow and unwritten sspx clerical dress code?  That is a fail on the part of the sspx in my opinion.    
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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #13 on: March 22, 2018, 08:33:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on March 22, 2018, 04:02:01 PM
    It is forbidden to solemnize marriage during lent.  That is, it is forbidden to receive the sacrament of matrimony during lent.
    Go back and read what you wrote. You don't understand what "solemnize marriage" means. You are equating that with receiving the sacrament of matrimony. Your Baltimore Catechism is correct, you are incorrect. 
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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #14 on: March 22, 2018, 08:37:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: PG on March 22, 2018, 07:34:21 PM
    The first thing I notice is that the novus ordo priest is not wearing a cassock, and I presume not required to wear a cassock like sspx.  I personally would require it.  Sspx laity must follow a dress code, why should a novus ordo priest not be required to follow and unwritten sspx clerical dress code?  That is a fail on the part of the sspx in my opinion.    
    Seriously?  You think the SSPX has the power to require a dress code of a NO priest in HIS church?  I don't think so.  Here, the SSPX was the guest.
    Mark my words....  in short order sspx clerics will be wearing a clerical suit rather than a cassock.
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