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Offline Mr G

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Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2018, 10:03:57 AM »
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  • Some more back-and-forth with the Groom (Nicolas Lessard)
    Nicolas Lessard  • 13 hours ago
    This next generation is free from the bitterness and resentment that it's predecessors are carrying. We grew with a love of the Catholic Church, a sadness to see it sick and divided, but above all a willingness stand up and fix it! In the meantime, feel free to call out heretics left and right like a self-proclaimed pope. I'll be right there in to NO churches doing my little part to "Restore all things in Christ" like our patron's motto says.

    Petrus Romanus to   Nicolas Lessard11 hours ago
    Surely it was not Traditionalists who caused the division. Do you not think I too wish the Church were healthy and mended? Alas, God is purifying her for a purpose beyond all our grasp.
    Your answer makes little sense, and confirms what I have said. You accuse me of being bitter, pretending to be my own pope. And yet Abp. Lefebvre took precisely the approach I am taking: "[some say] we would have to re-enter this Conciliar Church in order, supposedly, to make it Catholic. That is a complete illusion. It is not the subjects that make the superiors, but the superiors who make the subjects."

    sdk14754977 Remnant Moderator17 hours ago
    I am a 38 year veteran SSPX faithful and I am my family, have always been advised not to attend either the N.O. or the FSSP and Indult Masses, any time we have questioned our priests on it. Archbishop Lefebvre held this position, it is well known, and his position only became stronger in the years before his death. He famously stated that Rome had lost the Faith.
    I think it is tragic and rather specious when families opt for opulence for their weddings, using N.O. churches that host all of the questionable N.O. consecrations, Masses, sacraments and various assorted liberal activities that go on in such places. We were always taught with the words of St. Athanasius, 'They have the churches but we have the Faith'. It seems that many have fallen from the lofty positions that the Archbishop left us with. To my mind, nothing is more beautiful in a church or a chapel, than that it only witnesses true, unadulterated Catholic ceremonies and preaching.





    Remnant Moderator to sdk14754977. • 17 hours ago (And then there is this from the Remnant, and observation from parishioners of the FSSP!)
    So where are the SSPX folks who agree with you on this? Have they all left for the Resistance? I don't even want to get into whether this attitude is right or wrong---but what you've laid out here was standard operating procedure in the SSPX for 25 years. I know, I was there. I have family in the SSPX. And you're absolutely right! Now everything has changed, and yet the folks in the SSPX are behaving like they don't even notice. It's downright eerie! You can agree or disagree with the new direction of the SSPX all you want----but pretending like it's always been this way is like something right out of The Twilight Zone.



    Mr. Matt is no friend of the Resistance, but even he can see that the SSPX has changed and that for SSPX parishioners to pretend that it has not changed is right out of The Twilight Zone.

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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #61 on: March 28, 2018, 03:05:26 PM »
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  • Nope, don't think that gets you off the hook. Your marriage just needs to be "made whole" by the local ordinary is the diocese thinking.


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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #62 on: March 29, 2018, 10:11:18 PM »
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  • This is about inversion of priorities by the SSPX. In the old days, the SSPX would have taught its parishioners what is WRONG with the Conciliar Church, the Novus Ordo, doubtful ministers and sacraments, etc.

    Both the priests and laity were prepared to make sacrifices for take sake of the Faith, the truth, and upholding Catholic principles. Yes, a bigger nicer church is great, but not if it means getting married by a Novus priest.

    But today, they are toothless because of the new SSPX orientation with Rome (an attitude of reconciliation with the Modernists). What can they say? Don't get married by the Novus Ordo priest? What reason could they give now?

    Some couples are going to want to do this for various reasons, including reasons as base or superficial as "I want to be married in a bigger, more beautiful church".
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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #63 on: March 29, 2018, 10:59:06 PM »
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  • From what I have gathered, the groom seems more worried that his new wife will possibly get tired of him and he wants to make it difficult for her to one day get an annulment based on invalidity because of SSPX. So was she even raised Traditionalist Catholic? Was he (new generation? what is this?? Meaning, we heard about Benedict's Motu Proprio and decided to check it out and it made us feel good so here we are? ?)?

    Seems like they really just went with the diocese because they were insecure that one or the other would use this as grounds for an annulment in the future and thought this should make it harder. Not gonna matter if Bergoglio lets them divorce and "remarry" and receive Holy Communion. Seems like if they have these worries then worldliness is already there.

    Then again, these are only speculations.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    Offline Mr G

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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #64 on: March 30, 2018, 09:18:41 AM »
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  • I wonder if Mr. Senior will still have job after this!

    Remnant Moderator reply to. Davida day ago
    From a professor at St. Mary's College: I just read this article by Fr. Robinson http://fsspx.news/en/conten...
    , and my head is still spinning. He is very clever, but his reasoning is faulty; it is tautological and circular. Once having assumed the conclusion he finds ways of arguing for it. He sets up several false dichotomies, making it seem that he is arguing for the only possible via media.

    He says that Archbishop Lefebvre did not use the term "Conciliar Church." Perhaps he should read the Consecration Sermon: "This Life of Our Lord Jesus Christ is disappearing everywhere in the Conciliar Church. They are following roads which are not Catholic roads: they simply lead to apostasy."
    He says that Archbishop Lefebvre did not resist the authority of Rome, when it was acting in accord with Tradition. Again, in the Consecration Sermon, the Archbishop states explicitly that the Roman authorities are doing the exact opposite. He clearly says that they have made a break with Tradition, that they can no longer be trusted, that there is an extraordinary State of Necessity:

    "Indeed, since the Council, what we condemned in the past the present Roman authorities have embraced and are professing. . . . Thus, we find ourselves in a case of necessity. We have done all we could, trying to help Rome to understand that they had to come back to the attitudes of the holy Pius XII and of all his predecessors. Bishop de Castro Mayer and myself have gone to Rome, we have spoken, we have sent letters, several times to Rome. We have tried by these talks, by all these means, to succeed in making Rome understand that, since the Council and since aggiornamento, this change which has occurred in the Church is not Catholic, is not in conformity to the doctrine of all times. This ecuмenism and all these errors, this collegiality—all this is contrary to the Faith of the Church, and is in the process of destroying the Church. . . it is clear that the only truth that exists today for the Vatican is the Conciliar truth, the spirit of the Council, the spirit of Assisi. That is the truth of today. But we will have nothing to do with this for anything in the world!"

    The Archbishop never advocated any halfway measures: the Roman authority should be obeyed in some instances and in others not obeyed. He never makes the case that as long as they let him be then everything else is just fine. He wouldn't even get in the car they sent the night before! Fr. Robinson is in the car, and more than halfway across the Alps on a dark night!

    By a not so strange coincidence, I received in the mail today a fundraising letter from Fr. Wegner. It begins by saying: "It was tumultuous year, filled with great expectations and great confusion. . . Indeed it was a year in which so much confusion emanated from Rome that our own Bishop Bernard Fellay signed a public filial correction of the Pope for the grave errors presented in Amoris Laetitia." So far so good, but then he goes on to add to the confusion by saying: "In March, we received the surprise announcement that Pope Francis had taken the steps to remove all doubt concerning the validity of marriages celebrated by priests of the Society."

    I contend that this announcement was not a surprise at all, it was a pre-arranged trap. And there never was any doubt about the validity of marriages, or confessions (or the bogus excommunication!) certainly not in the mind of Archbishop Lefebvre! It is indeed a very confusing situation, and intentionally so, when the faithful are being lead to believe that we should all be waiting breathlessly for the wonders of "canonical regularization." That is never what Archbishop Lefebvre sought. He said very clearly that Rome needs to explicitly reject its errors and return fully to Tradition.

    Pope Francis is in no way returning to Tradition, except by way of appearances as part of the diabolical dialectic. He is leading the way to the Great Apostasy. It is more obvious now than ever. To wish to be "recognized and regularized" by him is to join the ranks of the Masonic traitors who have infiltrated the Church. Pope Leo wrote the famous prayer to St. Michael the Archangel more than a century ago: "These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety." And one of the first acts of the Conciliar Church was to eliminate this prayer!

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in the terrible warfare that we are waging against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the evil spirits.

    God help us all!
    In Christo Rege,

    Andrew Senior
    St. Mary’s, KS



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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #65 on: March 30, 2018, 10:15:53 AM »
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  • I wonder if Mr. Senior will still have job after this!

    Remnant Moderator reply to. Davida day ago
    From a professor at St. Mary's College: I just read this article by Fr. Robinson http://fsspx.news/en/conten...
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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #66 on: March 30, 2018, 10:27:23 AM »
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    Here it is: http://fsspx.news/en/content/34797
    This is the article where Fr. Robinson says Archbishop always wanted to be recognized by Rome and how dare anyone says otherwise.

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    Re: Hey SSPX is my Marriage Valid? Can I get an Annulment?
    « Reply #67 on: March 30, 2018, 11:51:56 AM »
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  • Here it is: http://fsspx.news/en/content/34797
    This is the article where Fr. Robinson says Archbishop always wanted to be recognized by Rome and how dare anyone says otherwise.
    Is this the same fr. Robinson who wrote that new book?  I was suspect of him before.  Now I know he's an infiltrator.