Author Topic: HERESY in Kansas City parish (Read 14542 times)

sspxbvm · « **on:** September 02, 2012, 05:39:57 PM »

We heard heresy today.

What was the heresy?

Since it was public I don't think it was meant to be kept a secret. The priest told the people that if you don't support a Catholic School by either putting your children in one or giving them money the Church tells us that the priest is NOT to give absolution in confession. Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop. He says this is Church teaching. He told us we are to do God's will in this matter not use our emotions. He also used the words "youth movement" in the Church. I havent heard that since I was a "Nervous Order" parishoner 20 years ago.

There was a sacrilege also. During communion the priest instead of blessing our children with the sign of the cross in the open air TOUCHED OUR CHILDREN ON THE FORHEAD with his hand that distributes HOLY COMMUNION. Fine example of not using our emotions, yes? Just have to touch them? This is a first EVER in a Society chapel.

This Mass was at Saint Vincent de Paul in Kansas City, MO. Father Violette (spelling?) gave the typical "trust US" talk just before this priest gave his 45-60 minute sermon! Father Violette said the DEVIL IS LEADING THE OPPOSITION TO BISHOP FELLAY. "Come to us" he says.

These are OUTRAGES. Almost every sermon we hear now a days have some form of error. I am close, friends. Very close to walking out and/or shouting in the open: "HERESY!"

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** September 02, 2012, 05:46:04 PM »

Did he explicitly condemn homeschooling, or was he talking about sending children to public school, without any kind of support for an SSPX school?

Because I agree -- parents are VERY remiss (to put it politely) if they just send their children to public school. You might as well rip the Faith right out of their hearts.

Parents, even if they're ignorant, need to be "admonished" by their priests about the evils of public school. The Baby Boomer culture or way of doing things doesn't work anymore, and part of that "formula" is public school.

Public school was different when the Boomers grew up. Now you have co-ed sɛҳuąƖ education, overt atheism, training children to be slaves in a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr (terror drills, children getting shot during such drills, children being traumatized by SWAT teams invading their classroom, etc.), and cell phones which are a grave social/moral danger for children (I can only imagine how my school days would have been different with cell phones in every backpack!)

And I know that lack of support for SSPX schools is a veritable PLAGUE right now. People just don't care. The bad ones send their children to public school. The good ones homeschool. That leaves very little support for putting together a Catholic school.

sspxbvm · « **Reply #2 on:** September 02, 2012, 05:52:46 PM »

According to him homeschooling should be VERY RARE for rare cases of necessity like if the child has some sort of heath issue. The problem lies in that he claims all of this is taught from the Church as necessary for salvation. Also, he said it was necessary to send children to a Catholic school to get vocations. He says your family isn't perfect. The family needs the schools. Yes, in many cases this can be proven as being correct. However, it isn't necessary for salvation.

Also, the strong implication is that not just parents but EVERYBODY must financially support the schools.

We know of several families who are pulling their kids out of SSPX schools now because of the weakening of the curriculum. SSPX schools, if financially strapped, are not going to improve with their current direction.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #3 on:** September 02, 2012, 05:56:29 PM »

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According to him homeschooling should be VERY RARE for rare cases of necessity like if the child has some sort of heath issue...

If he says that, then he is wrong.

Parents should homeschool.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** September 02, 2012, 05:57:48 PM »

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According to him homeschooling should be VERY RARE for rare cases of necessity like if the child has some sort of heath issue.

They are just incredibly controlling and manipulative people. The French are really lacking in shame.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #5 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:10:05 PM »

Homeschooling is the way to go. If I had kids, even if I had an SSPX school nearby, I'd homeschool them instead. Especially now that Bishop Fellay has changed for the worst. I can imagine the liberalism in SSPX schools right now.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:16:20 PM »

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Homeschooling is the way to go. If I had kids, even if I had an SSPX school nearby, I'd homeschool them instead. Especially now that Bishop Fellay has changed for the worst. I can imagine the liberalism in SSPX schools right now.

I don't know if "liberalism" is exactly the right word to use, but the problem is that the sort of people who wanted the deal are going to be the typical parents at the SSPX schools. Those people are very confused, to say the least, but they and their children will conform to the outward requirements of being a Fellayite, more than to Catholic Tradition. And they will try to cause your own children to conform to it. To become Fellayite. Unthinking, intolerant, "open" to the suggestions of the "elder brothers" and Benedict XVI.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #7 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:20:03 PM »

Yeah, liberalism is just the first word that came to mind. Perhaps "neo-Traditionalism" would better describe it.

Faber · « **Reply #8 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:26:50 PM »

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Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop.

Does "local bishop" refer to the NO-Bishop of the local diocese?

sspxbvm · « **Reply #9 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:28:26 PM »

Quote from: Faber

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Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop.

Does "local bishop" refer to the NO-Bishop of the local diocese?

YES!

Faber · « **Reply #10 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:33:05 PM »

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Quote from: Faber
Quote from: sspxbvm
Further he said that if we don't want to put our children in a Catholic school we are to get the permission of the local bishop.

Does "local bishop" refer to the NO-Bishop of the local diocese?

YES!

Does "Catholic school" denote "SSPX school"?

sspxbvm · « **Reply #11 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:34:28 PM »

NO!!! HE said "If you can find a better school, send them!"

Faber · « **Reply #12 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:44:20 PM »

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NO!!! HE said "If you can find a better school, send them!"

Wouldn't it be easy to get permission from the local bishop to not put the children in a SSPX school. So what is his point?

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:47:28 PM »

So let me get this straight...

Catholics are obligated to send their kids to Catholic school, and homeschooling is for rare cases.

So we, who have no SSPX school nearby, should go to our Novus Ordo bishop to get permission to homeschool, or we should just send our children to the local Novus Ordo school?

That's insane!

And he's also out of line for claiming moral imperative to send children to the ad-hoc schools known as SSPX schools. They might be fine for a crisis situation -- but we ARE in a crisis. That not only justifies homeschooling in MOST if not ALL cases, but it also means that SSPX schools can't lay claim to the status Catholic Schools once had.

SSPX schools are poor in many cases. End of story. Poor in educational standards, poor in staff, poor in resources, etc.

So my poor "original sin" family isn't enough (agreed), but send my child to a school with a bunch of other "original sin" children, and a low-paid guy in his early 20's making less than a living wage -- and MAGIC WILL HAPPEN?

(Low-paid guy refers to a layman. I'm NOT talking about SSPX priests, who have plenty of education. Unfortunately, there aren't enough of them to go around, and certainly not enough to staff an entire school)

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

sspxbvm · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:58:54 PM »

CLARIFICATION

From our good Father Pfeiffer. He just spoke to us and said it use to be the custom in the old Baltimore Catechism that you would have to get permission from the bishop if you were not going to have your children in a Catholic School. He said the rest of the material was wrong to say.

In our crisis why would we subject ourselves to those Bishops anyway? Hence none of it should apply!

God speed!