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Offline Centroamerica

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« on: January 31, 2015, 05:39:37 AM »
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    More and more common will be the bloody attacks,
    Until the world sees, Christ is who it lacks.

    Last week these “Comments,” in a most politically incorrect manner, presented the heavily publicized January 7 attack in Paris on Charlie Hebdo as an attack upon the remains of Christian civilisation in France. Then let them this week put forward how Christian civilisation would solve the problem, in the same order, for cartoonists, gunmen, politicians, peoples and conspirators.

    As for the cartoonists, if France were still Catholic, Church and State would still be united, as they were until the French Revolution, and State authorities would absolutely have forbidden such blasphemous anti-Christian cartoons as those by which Charlie Hebdo may well have provoked Almighty God to allow for the silencing of its cartoonists. But that would be censorship? Only a fool can think we suffer under no censorship today. The censorship is simply anti-Christian instead of Christian. Who today is free to blaspheme against h0Ɩ0cαųstianity and its “gas-chambers”?

    As for the muslim gunmen, to a Catholic France they might never have come. Never would Catholic State authorities have despised or hated muslims in their own countries, but at the same time never would they so have lost sight of the historic clash between Islam and Christianity as to allow to settle in France such a mass of muslim immigrants as have been allowed, even encouraged, to settle in France since World War II. Nor would they ever have learned to scorn their own race and despise their own traditions as they have allowed themselves to be taught to do today. By the Fourth Commandment a Catholic loves his own country above all, without wishing ill to any others.

    Most important of all, if France had stayed Catholic, neither the politicians nor the people would have become the puppets that they are today of hidden puppet-masters, the Globalists. In the 17 th century France was Catholic as a whole, but in th e 18 th century, for lack of Catholic faith, its ruling class allowed itself to become thoroughly infected with another form of Globalism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Launched in its modern form in apostate England in 1717, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ swiftly spread to France and North America where it master-minded the American and French Revolutions in 1776 and 1789 respectively. Both of them were major steps towards the Globalists’ nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

    Now, for as long as the Catholic Church was still in its right mind, it denounced and condemned Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ as being a secret society designed to undermine and overthrow the Catholic religion altogether – see for instance Leo XIII’s Encyclical Letter, Humanum Genus of 1884. Thus from the French Revolution onwards, States have been ever more separated from the Catholic Church and have been put instead on secular and democratic foundations. More and more the new middle-class rulers have abandoned the Catholic religion in favour of liberalism , which is in effect a substitute religion, adoring man and his liberty instead of God and his Truth. So in the name of “freedom” journalists took over from priests, and their liberal media took over the people’s thinking. But all the while journalists and media have been secretly directed by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, working for the Globalists’ nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. Here is how, under cover of “democracy” and “freedom,” the highly motivated Globalists have been able to reduce peoples and politicians to puppets of public opinion, moulded by their media. To turn one’s back on God’s Truth is to enslave oneself to Satan’s lies.

    The Charlie Hebdo attack was designed for a huge demonstration to favour godless liberty, or rather licence, and a murderous muslim-European tension. More such events will follow, to arrive at bloodbaths from which the Globalists count on emerging supreme, from which Almighty God hopes that men will see that rejecting him is a huge problem, the b asic problem. If the States will not see this, it remains only for families to pray the five Mysteries a day, and individuals the fifteen a day (if reasonably possible), to beg Our Lady to intercede with her Son.

    Kyrie eleison.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 05:54:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop Williamson

     If the States will not see this, it remains only for families to pray the five Mysteries a day, and individuals the fifteen a day (if reasonably possible), to beg Our Lady to intercede with her Son.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #2 on: January 31, 2015, 05:55:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop Williamson
    As for the muslim gunmen, to a Catholic France they might never have come. Never would Catholic State authorities have despised or hated muslims in their own countries, but at the same time never would they so have lost sight of the historic clash between Islam and Christianity as to allow to settle in France such a mass of muslim immigrants as have been allowed, even encouraged, to settle in France since World War II. Nor would they ever have learned to scorn their own race and despise their own traditions as they have allowed themselves to be taught to do today. By the Fourth Commandment a Catholic loves his own country above all, without wishing ill to any others.


    A very good explanation here as he explains rightly the Catholic State and its responsibilities to preserve the common good morally and ends the paragraph making a clear distinction between patriotism and nationalism.  If only the Church had more bishops like him.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #3 on: February 02, 2015, 04:24:11 PM »
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    Now, for as long as the Catholic Church was still in its right mind, it denounced and condemned Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ as being a secret society designed to undermine and overthrow the Catholic religion altogether

    Bp. Williamson seems to confuse the visible true Church with the official church, the one which is defined by the novus ordo missae.

    The Catholic Church is still and always be in its right mind.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 02, 2015, 06:52:04 PM »
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  • Adolphus:
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    The Catholic Church is still and (will) always be in its right mind.


    Respectfully, Adolphus, where can we presently find this "Catholic Church" in its right mind?

    In the SSPX, wherein, presently, Rome and the Society try to work out some kind of  practical agreement?
    Among those, like the Remnant and FCN, who identify somewhat with Fellay & Co.?
    In the so-called "Resistance" or one of its regional offshoots?
    In the sedevacantist movement?
    In the 'home alone' movement?
    In the Fraternity of St. Peter or other similar apostolates organizations more or less in communion with the NO church?
    In independent traditional Catholic groups who reject all of the above?

    I'm looking for this Church in its right mind, and am failing to come up with much.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 02, 2015, 08:01:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    Adolphus:
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    The Catholic Church is still and (will) always be in its right mind.


    Respectfully, Adolphus, where can we presently find this "Catholic Church" in its right mind?

    In the SSPX, wherein, presently, Rome and the Society try to work out some kind of  practical agreement?
    Among those, like the Remnant and FCN, who identify somewhat with Fellay & Co.?
    In the so-called "Resistance" or one of its regional offshoots?
    In the sedevacantist movement?
    In the 'home alone' movement?
    In the Fraternity of St. Peter or other similar apostolates organizations more or less in communion with the NO church?
    In independent traditional Catholic groups who reject all of the above?

    I'm looking for this Church in its right mind, and am failing to come up with much.

    It is more difficult to say where it is than where it is not.  For sure, the Catholic Church is not where the new modernist official church is.

    I hope that, even if you keep failing to find it, you still believe it exists and that Our Lord's promise has not failed.


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    « Reply #6 on: February 03, 2015, 08:27:16 PM »
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    The Catholic Church is perfect, it is the spotless and incorruptible Bride of Jesus Christ, the pillar of truth; with no stain, free from error - to say otherwise is heresy.


    Yes indeed, that is the True Church.  And this correct understanding does not admit to ideas about half rotten fruit, and the like.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 03, 2015, 10:10:50 PM »
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    As for the muslim gunmen, to a Catholic France they might never have come. Never would Catholic State authorities have despised or hated muslims in their own countries, but at the same time never would they so have lost sight of the historic clash between Islam and Christianity as to allow to settle in France such a mass of muslim immigrants as have been allowed, even encouraged, to settle in France since World War II. Nor would they ever have learned to scorn their own race and despise their own traditions as they have allowed themselves to be taught to do today. By the Fourth Commandment a Catholic loves his own country above all, without wishing ill to any others.

    Bp. Williamson risks prosecution for "hate crimes" once again.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 03, 2015, 10:29:45 PM »
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    Yes indeed, that is the True Church.  And this correct understanding does not admit to ideas about half rotten fruit, and the like.


    Nonsense!  Dream on. LOL.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 02:49:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
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    Yes indeed, that is the True Church.  And this correct understanding does not admit to ideas about half rotten fruit, and the like.


    Nonsense!  Dream on. LOL.


    Yes, in that I adhere to the Church's understanding of Herself.  The corruption of some of Her members, and theirs sins, may be found within,  but they are never a part of Her. She in Herself remains whole entire.  The rot of Conciliarism is not a bad part of Her, it has no connection to Her and casts no stain upon Her.

    And so, I will happily continue to dream those Catholic dreams of purity and perfection.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 03:42:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Columba
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    As for the muslim gunmen, to a Catholic France they might never have come. Never would Catholic State authorities have despised or hated muslims in their own countries, but at the same time never would they so have lost sight of the historic clash between Islam and Christianity as to allow to settle in France such a mass of muslim immigrants as have been allowed, even encouraged, to settle in France since World War II. Nor would they ever have learned to scorn their own race and despise their own traditions as they have allowed themselves to be taught to do today. By the Fourth Commandment a Catholic loves his own country above all, without wishing ill to any others.

    Bp. Williamson risks prosecution for "hate crimes" once again.


    I suppose in a way he is tacitly alluding to the evil of contraception. I wish he had stated it in black and white here as it would be a prime place to bring it up. Either way, should they try and prosecute him for a hate crime, he would be wise to state that's all he ever meant.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 11:39:11 PM »
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    As for the muslim gunmen, to a Catholic France they might never have come. Never would Catholic State authorities have despised or hated muslims in their own countries, but at the same time never would they so have lost sight of the historic clash between Islam and Christianity as to allow to settle in France such a mass of muslim immigrants as have been allowed, even encouraged, to settle in France since World War II. Nor would they ever have learned to scorn their own race and despise their own traditions as they have allowed themselves to be taught to do today. By the Fourth Commandment a Catholic loves his own country above all, without wishing ill to any others.

    Bp. Williamson risks prosecution for "hate crimes" once again.


    I suppose in a way he is tacitly alluding to the evil of contraception. I wish he had stated it in black and white here as it would be a prime place to bring it up. Either way, should they try and prosecute him for a hate crime, he would be wise to state that's all he ever meant.

    Why speculate on a possible allusion when the plain words have such clear meaning?

    "never would [Catholic State authorities] so have lost sight of the historic clash between Islam and Christianity as to allow to settle in France such a mass of muslim immigrants as have been allowed, even encouraged, to settle in France"

    H.E. condemns the allowance of muslim immigration as non-Catholic.

    "Nor would they ever have learned to scorn their own race and despise their own traditions as they have allowed themselves to be taught to do today"

    H.E. deplores France's allowance of muslim immigration as racial and cultural self-hatred.

    "By the Fourth Commandment a Catholic loves his own country above all"

    H.E. describes France's collective self-hatred as a sin against Catholic religion--against the Decalogue.

    H.E. commits apostasy against the Western state-religion of Liberalism. Catholic priests are allowed to criticize peripheral effects of liberalism, but never may they blaspheme against the its core principles of Equality or Democracy. Priests are supposed to harmlessly talk about being nice or being good, not issue calls to defend (or rebuild) historically Catholic civilizations.

    Excluding people because of their origin is a grave sin against Equality and thereby a hatecrime. Western collective self-hatred is the foundation of liberal morality. I know of no modern cleric that has attacked the core (the root) of liberalism like H.E.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 05, 2015, 10:53:58 AM »
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  • Columba:
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    Excluding people because of their origin is a grave sin against Equality and thereby a hatecrime. Western collective self-hatred is the foundation of liberal morality. I know of no modern cleric that has attacked the core (the root) of liberalism like H.E.


    I don't know of any other cleric either.  But H.E. for his faithfulness to the truth, has accuмulated a number of enemies worldwide, including many who were once his own confreres, including, apparently, many whom he himself ordained, including, also, a number of posters on Cathinfo

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    « Reply #13 on: February 05, 2015, 02:05:54 PM »
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    Excluding people because of their origin is a grave sin against Equality and thereby a hatecrime. Western collective self-hatred is the foundation of liberal morality. I know of no modern cleric that has attacked the core (the root) of liberalism like H.E.


    I don't know of any other cleric either.  But H.E. for his faithfulness to the truth, has accuмulated a number of enemies worldwide, including many who were once his own confreres, including, apparently, many whom he himself ordained, including, also, a number of posters on Cathinfo


    You know, as I read your observations, Hollingsworth, I found myself thinking of Our Lord and how He fits the above description during His time on earth and how the early Christians followed that same path.  It also reminds me of how very small in number His true followers really are in our times.  

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    « Reply #14 on: February 05, 2015, 04:17:40 PM »
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    H.E. for his faithfulness to the truth, has accuмulated a number of enemies worldwide, including many who were once his own confreres, including, apparently, many whom he himself ordained, including, also, a number of posters on Cathinfo

    Liberalism in our modern society is difficult to resist. It is difficult for me to resist personally. It creeps in unawares and grows surreptitiously. I have discovered traces of liberalism embedded within my assumptions held for a lifetime. I continue waging this inner battle because of the likelihood that traces yet remain. My belief in this likelihood is the result of real life experience, not scruples. This is why I have become less hostile toward those who seem to still harbor greater liberalism than me.

    The incessant bickering among trads is IMO the result of confusion and cognitive dissonance cause by undetected liberalism within. The trad detects liberalism in oppositional trad factions, but ignores alternate forms of liberalism within his own. He harbors both rightful indignation and guilty resentment at the same time.

    Traditional Catholicism must of course form the foundation of any effective anti-liberal counter-culture, but current trad institutions are all infected with liberalism to varying degrees. This does not necessarily make them heretical where the liberalism is applied to secular matters, but is does make them less effective at restoring Catholic culture.

    The average person is constitutionally incapable of escaping the web of modern liberal culture. Those few who can must self-cleanse themselves of liberalism in order to form a leadership core for developing a benevolent counter-culture. This requires rising above trad factionalism while remaining within one's faction for the good that it provides.

    Once established, the benevolent Catholic leadership would develop industry and culture specifically targeted to eclipse the liberalism that average people are otherwise unable to escape.