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Offline Wessex

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« on: June 30, 2012, 05:16:09 AM »
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    Raid on the work of Archbishop Lefebvre

    The series of relations of the Fraternity of Saint Pius  X (SSPX, founded by Archbishop Lefebvre) with Rome never ceases to make the headlines.
    Latest news: the superior of the SSPX, Bishop Bernard Fellay, refuses to sign the doctrinal preamble for him by the Vatican, while this text was the subject of tough negotiations for nearly a year. At the same time, we learn that Bishop Williamson is banned from attending ordinations of 29  June and the general chapter of his congregation. Finally, several religious traditionalists (Avrillé Dominicans, Capuchins of Morgon) can not be ordained their candidates this year.
    Twelve years ago that the SSPX is approaching gradually the Vatican authorities. In mid-April everything seemed completed. This further decline of Bishop Fellay is it really real? Everything suggests that mask just maneuvers to disarm the ultimate internal opposition.
    Indeed they are not lacking. These are the first three brothers in the episcopate of Bishop Fellay who solemnly warned. These are then several simple priests who, at the risk of excluding themselves from their congregations, have not hesitated to publicly express their opposition to a "regularization" canonical while the remaining major doctrinal disagreements.
    The clergy and the faithful are divided worried. Bishop Fellay, who believed in his own little world rally Benedict smooth, actually started a fire in the house. It is isolated among his colleagues even though most of them do not dare speak for fear of dismissal. Terror reigns.

    HOW DOES this happen?

    Bishop Fellay was appointed Superior General of the SSPX in July 1994. He leads the congregation for eighteen years. Previously he was one of the main collaborators of Father Franz Schmidberger, appointed superior successor to Archbishop Lefebvre in 1982.
    It is no exaggeration to say that Bishop Fellay was formed by Father Schmidberger, he remains close and who does not hesitate to rebuke strongly when things are not progressing to his liking.
    Father Schmidberger, from a peasant family of Swabia, now exceeds the district of Germany of the SSPX. He always kept in touch with Cardinal Ratzinger, he had attended classes during his studies. According to rumor, he would issue an annual flowers to his former teacher for his birthday. He had played a major role in the initial negotiations of the SSPX conducted in 1988 by Archbishop Lefebvre with Modernist Rome and apostate ... represented by Cardinal Ratzinger. In that year Archbishop Lefebvre signed an agreement with Cardinal denied it the next day and proceeded to the consecration of four bishops above.
    Bishop Fellay, who lives in Switzerland German, likes to surround himself with priests germanophones, as his right arm Father Pfluger. In reality, even though most of his followers are French, the SSPX is run by Germans.
    Father Schmidberger was present at the hearing in August 2005 during which Benedict XVI and Bishop Fellay have implemented the steps of the process of rallying the SSPX to the conciliar church. The brutal takeover of the SSPX that we see bears his mark.
    For the return process in the conciliar church traditionalists Lefebvrists has nothing of a quiet river. Started in August 2000 during a pilgrimage to Rome traditionalists in which Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos had received the four bishops, he had experienced a sudden halt in 2001 against the vigorous opposition of many priests and laity. Probably agree with Rome, Bishop Fellay therefore strove to restore order at home. It began with a takeover of seminars: ordinations were excluded from all free spirits. Bishop Fellay said in private that he would rather have fewer priests, provided they are obedient. This management led to a brutal Malthusian crisis in 2004 which saw the departure of the SSPX strong personalities like the abbots and Laguérie  Tanouarn, rallied today. Bishop Fellay is then employed to exclude positions, including those that provide access to the general chapter of the congregation, the priests who did not share his interest in conciliar Rome. This policy allowed him to retain his seat in terms of 2006, as it is easier to be reelected when naming oneself voters.
    The election of Benedict XVI in 2005 was revived negotiations. It was agreed to advance slowly. To reassure opponents, Bishop Fellay promised that no agreement would take place without the completion of prerequisites that seemed impossible to obtain. This was the first lifting of the excommunications imposed on traditionalist bishops, Benedict XVI and then "frees" the traditional mass. These "preliminary" was an idea of ​​Bishop Rifan, bishop of Campos today rallied.
    Bishop Fellay that affects a great devotion to Mary so that his followers shall give a true holiness worthy, they think, of Archbishop Lefebvre, called the faithful to recite (and counting) millions of rosaries. The objectives were quantitative! That the deal instead they waste their time learning about the Internet!
    Faced with large numbers of Rosaries duly recorded by the SSPX, though heaven had to resolve to do the "miracles" required.
    Thus Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications from the bishops had in fact written request. We should not discourage those who show good will. And then Paul  VI had done well in 1965 Patriarch Athenagoras. Moreover both of another age are left unattended. As for the traditional Mass, he decided it would be celebrated as "extraordinary": a place somehow folk in the Catholic heritage.
    Then came the stage of doctrinal discussions. It was the heart of the matter  : to agree we must profess the same faith.
    These discussions were shrouded in secrecy opaque, because it was not too sure of their outcome.
    Alas, these discussions came to a complete failure. According to theologians, it is impossible to reconcile the teachings from Vatican  II with the teaching of previous popes, particularly on the question of relations with other religions and the place of Christianity in society. Experts traditionalists came two years of discussions more seasoned than ever: the agreement seemed impossible!
    It would take much work on the text to sign an agreement where everyone could read the reverse of what the speaker would read! This was the work of last month. Bishop Fellay maintained strict secrecy (using methods Masonic) on the draft Preamble which undoubtedly affect the impact the faith of all the traditionalists. Even the priests (bishops?) Of the SSPX did not had knowledge, which created a real uneasiness.
    But bigger is, the more it happens! Father Pfluger said two weeks ago in the south of France that the objective doctrinal discussions had never been to convince interlocutors traditionalists. This was in addition to measuring differences. Bishop Fellay is preparing the same purely practical agreement he had criticized his former colleagues from the Institute of the Good Shepherd to have signed.

    SO WHY THE CURRENT TURNAROUND  ?

    Is that the rebellion is brewing. The SSPX is in danger of bursting. Rome did not want to get an empty shell, although this shell brings the heritage of the SSPX that seems important. What interests Benedict XVI is to stop this dissent challenging Vatican and therefore casts doubt on its legitimacy. It must therefore follow the troop.
    Rome has so opportunely raised its doctrinal requirements, thus giving the starring role of defender of orthodoxy to which Bishop Fellay now hastens to deny the doctrinal preamble. Of course, Bishop Fellay will build on this new deadline for "clean" pockets of resistance. Heads will roll. Starting with that of Bishop Williamson is an obstacle to reconciliation on its own, since he angered the Jєωιѕн community. Others will follow.
    What will happen the general chapter? It's a safe bet that it will be a non-event. Bishop Fellay of authority away his opponents. He repeats that he is a "chapter" business, not provided by the statutes. He mastered the agenda. The statutes also do not appear his main concern and the procedures for convening this "chapter business" probably deserve a compliance review. Bishop Fellay does not seem worried about the outcome of discussions. Heads will roll.
    We are witnessing a robbery on the work of Archbishop Lefebvre led by German commando of Benedict XVI.

    Pierre Labat.



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    « Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 08:22:43 AM »
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  • I agree:

    1) Rome only raised the doctrinal compliance requirements of the practical agreement so Bishop Fellay could reject it

    2) this allows Bishop Fellay to appear to be a defender of true doctrine

    3) by this means, Rome wants to help him repair his image internally

    4) so that after regaining the confidence of his subjects

    5) and eliminating the "troublemakers"

    6) he can bring the whole SSPX to Rome.


    Commentary on this strategy:

    1) while remaining the best counter currently at Rome's/menzingen's disposal

    2) it will not be successful

    3) because the momentum within the SSPX is toward growing revolt

    4) and awareness that this sellout has been a long time coming

    5) this growing distrust cannot be easily repaired

    6) and further and accelerated liquidation of opponents will only increase distrust and opposition


    Conclusion:

    1) because of this, I foresee the strategy failing in the end

    2) with Bishop Fellay and the accordistas already planning their exit strategies to Rome

    3) once inevitable failure becomes evident to them

    4) the Rosary crusades will have had an effect other than that which was intended by Menzingen:

    5) the purging and purification of the SSPX of those who did not hold the course laid out for us by Archbishop Lefebvre

    6) after the storm has passed, we will be left with a stronger corps in the SSPX than we have ever had

    7) guess: we will lose 100 priests to Rome, who realize their public support of a sellout forced their hands; them knowing they would no longer be trusted by the faithful priests and laity.

    8) they should have trusted in their founder's advice: too much contact with infected Rome would contaminate them too.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #2 on: June 30, 2012, 08:31:28 AM »
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    Conclusion:

    1) because of this, I foresee the strategy failing in the end

    2) with Bishop Fellay and the accordistas already planning their exit strategies to Rome

    3) once inevitable failure becomes evident to them

    4) the Rosary crusades will have had an effect other than that which was intended by Menzingen:

    5) the purging and purification of the SSPX of those who did not hold the course laid out for us by Archbishop Lefebvre

    6) after the storm has passed, we will be left with a stronger corps in the SSPX than we have ever had

    7) guess: we will lose 100 priests to Rome, who realize their public support of a sellout forced their hands; them knowing they would no longer be trusted by the faithful priests and laity.

    8) they should have trusted in their founder's advice: too much contact with infected Rome would contaminate them too.


    I agree with you, Seraphim, but with the General Council meeting becoming a "non event" how will the 3 Bishops get control of the Society without Bishop Fellay stepping down.  It sounds like this has been in the works for years, and years, and possibly Fellay was a plant from the beginning.  Maybe even the Swiss benefactor was a modernist and pushed Fellay to be a Bishop because of it.  Fellay isn't just going to go quietly, I don't think.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 30, 2012, 08:46:39 AM »
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    Conclusion:

    1) because of this, I foresee the strategy failing in the end

    2) with Bishop Fellay and the accordistas already planning their exit strategies to Rome

    3) once inevitable failure becomes evident to them

    4) the Rosary crusades will have had an effect other than that which was intended by Menzingen:

    5) the purging and purification of the SSPX of those who did not hold the course laid out for us by Archbishop Lefebvre

    6) after the storm has passed, we will be left with a stronger corps in the SSPX than we have ever had

    7) guess: we will lose 100 priests to Rome, who realize their public support of a sellout forced their hands; them knowing they would no longer be trusted by the faithful priests and laity.

    8) they should have trusted in their founder's advice: too much contact with infected Rome would contaminate them too.


    I agree with you, Seraphim, but with the General Council meeting becoming a "non event" how will the 3 Bishops get control of the Society without Bishop Fellay stepping down.  It sounds like this has been in the works for years, and years, and possibly Fellay was a plant from the beginning.  Maybe even the Swiss benefactor was a modernist and pushed Fellay to be a Bishop because of it.  Fellay isn't just going to go quietly, I don't think.


    1) I agree that the Chapter meeting will not sort the mess out

    2) Bishop Fellay will survive it

    3) since the voters are overwhelmingly his own men

    4) however, this survival will also increase the voice of a growing and unmanageable opposition

    5) which, like the modernists bishops being uncontrollable by the Vatican, will call into question the effectiveness and value of Menzingen's leadership altogether

    6) when this realization sinks in at Menzingen, I foresee Bishop Fellay cutting his own deal and leaving the SSPX with his followers.

    7) just my guess, being in management myself.  

    8) nobody wants to stay in a merely titular position of authority in which one has lost all respect and influence upon one's subjects
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #4 on: June 30, 2012, 09:01:26 AM »
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  • I guess it depends then on how much he can deceive his priests and faithful so they aren't opposing him.  This ploy that is  in the works right now, where he is not signing the preamble because he doesn't "agree" with it will make many say "see he is on our side after all!"  And after he removes Bp Williamson and any others he needs to he signs and the SSPX is history (along with it's properties).  I have a hard time believing Fellay will go to Rome with his hands empty.  They want everything they can get, plus they have to look good in the bargain.  The deviousness of Fellay I think will fool many.  At least I know of many that won't believe Fellay has anything but good intentions.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 30, 2012, 09:08:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: JuanDiego
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    Conclusion:

    1) because of this, I foresee the strategy failing in the end

    2) with Bishop Fellay and the accordistas already planning their exit strategies to Rome

    3) once inevitable failure becomes evident to them

    4) the Rosary crusades will have had an effect other than that which was intended by Menzingen:

    5) the purging and purification of the SSPX of those who did not hold the course laid out for us by Archbishop Lefebvre

    6) after the storm has passed, we will be left with a stronger corps in the SSPX than we have ever had

    7) guess: we will lose 100 priests to Rome, who realize their public support of a sellout forced their hands; them knowing they would no longer be trusted by the faithful priests and laity.

    8) they should have trusted in their founder's advice: too much contact with infected Rome would contaminate them too.


    I agree with you, Seraphim, but with the General Council meeting becoming a "non event" how will the 3 Bishops get control of the Society without Bishop Fellay stepping down.  It sounds like this has been in the works for years, and years, and possibly Fellay was a plant from the beginning.  Maybe even the Swiss benefactor was a modernist and pushed Fellay to be a Bishop because of it.  Fellay isn't just going to go quietly, I don't think.


    When the curtain finally lifts and they have saved to themselves all that they were able, the traps will spring. Both the legal Krah constructed mechanisms and the Roman ecclesial declarations in support of the "coming home"  brigade.

    They(the new improved FSSP), will to leave the men of fidelity and desire bereft of temporal means and increase the persecutory powers of the Conciliar bishops, hoping to starve the last remnant out of existence.

    Fortunately, there will always priests to say the Mass somewhere. Our Lord will not leave us to the wolves.

    Of course we faithful will do our small part to hasten God's in these matters.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 30, 2012, 09:30:24 AM »
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    ...with the General Council meeting becoming a "non event" how will the 3 Bishops get control of the Society without Bishop Fellay stepping down[?]  It sounds like this has been in the works for years, and years, and possibly Fellay was a plant from the beginning.  Maybe even the Swiss benefactor was a modernist and pushed Fellay to be a Bishop because of it.




    Fellay isn't just going to go quietly, I don't think.


    God, in his infinite mercy, could make him go quietly.  
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    « Reply #7 on: June 30, 2012, 10:16:24 AM »
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    Maybe even the Swiss benefactor was a modernist and pushed Fellay to be a Bishop because of it.

    This benefactor was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr Lovey.

    His son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. Mr Lovey senior died the same day when his son was ordained a priest, I think even in the same hour.

    I didn't find any indications that Mr. Lovey was a modernist. But if I remember correctly, his son Fr Lovey today is pro Bp Fellay's sellout to New-Rome (which maybe is not postponed).


    According to some recent posts here on Cathinfo about the Swiss false "mystic" who influenced Bp Fellay, it was a certain Fr Phillipe Lovey who was connected to this Swiss "mystic" and put her into contact with Bp Fellay around 1995 (+/-). We should have some more accurate information about this but unfortunately there's hardly any available.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 30, 2012, 10:36:57 AM »
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  • BXVI and his fellow "Roman" career heretics/apostates want one thing... the utter destruction of the true faith.  They would like the SSPX hook line and sinker.  However, if all they can get is half of the SSPX clergy, the majority of the faithful and all the properties and create general mayhem in the meantime they'll take it.  If +Fellay is deposed he'll produce the already signed docuмentation legally nullifying the deposition.  If he is not deposed he will continue with the program.

    With mayhem on the horizon and while they will soon own the premises...

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    "May God console you! ... What saddens you ... is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises, but you have the Apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in the struggle/ the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith? True, the premises are good when the Apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way ...

    "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.

    "Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray. Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."

    ~ St. Athanasius


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    « Reply #9 on: June 30, 2012, 10:39:16 AM »
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  • Well, something stinks here.  I don't believe he just started to listen to Rome one day.  It appears he has had this in the works for a long time.  I used to think traditio was out of line to be so negative toward Bp Fellay, but now realize they have been right all along.  The silencing of anyone who speaks the Truth is an obvious sign of Fellay's obsession to control, and his handling of the Dominicans and Capuchins ordinations - in your face sign of his misuse of power.  

    I have just been hoping there is some way Fellay, et al, could be deposed, but that doesn't seem to be an easy possibility.  But I don't see how he can continue for very long with the split and discord in all the parishes.  

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    « Reply #10 on: June 30, 2012, 10:46:30 AM »
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    "May God console you! ... What saddens you ... is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises, but you have the Apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in the struggle/ the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith? True, the premises are good when the Apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way ...

    "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.

    "Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray. Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."

    ~ St. Athanasius


    Viva Cristo Rey!!![/quote]

    Thanks, Ferdinand - That is our assurance that Our Lord will take note of us and be merciful.  We do have the faith, and we love Truth wherever it is found.  We hate lies and war against them.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 30, 2012, 11:54:25 AM »
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  • An accurate possibility

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    What will happen the general chapter? It's a safe bet that it will be a non-event. Bishop Fellay of authority away his opponents. He repeats that he is a "chapter" business, not provided by the statutes. He mastered the agenda. The statutes also do not appear his main concern and the procedures for convening this "chapter business" probably deserve a compliance review. Bishop Fellay does not seem worried about the outcome of discussions.


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    What will happen the general chapter? It's a safe bet that it will be a non-event.


    It's safe to say Bishop Fellay will remain Superior General.The only heads rolling will be those expelled from the SSPX.I think people are kidding themselves if they are expecting drama at the meeting.

    Until very recently the vast majority were quite happy to give Bishop Fellay the benefit of the doubt.


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    « Reply #12 on: June 30, 2012, 06:30:53 PM »
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    ...with the General Council meeting becoming a "non event" how will the 3 Bishops get control of the Society without Bishop Fellay stepping down[?]  It sounds like this has been in the works for years, and years, and possibly Fellay was a plant from the beginning.  Maybe even the Swiss benefactor was a modernist and pushed Fellay to be a Bishop because of it.




    Fellay isn't just going to go quietly, I don't think.


    God, in his infinite mercy, could make him go quietly.  


    Yes, Monsignor, go ye to a monastery... for the remainder of thy life.

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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #13 on: July 01, 2012, 12:13:36 PM »
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  • A call for Bishop Fellay to resign. I can't see it happening.

    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10105
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    Dear Bishop Fellay: We are now hearing that there is an "impasse" with Rome. That you have been bamboozled by Rome there is no doubt in my mind. This is a pattern of conduct by the Modernists that has been going on for 100 years, and is largely due to their philosophy of thought as well as a Moral Theology which does nothing better than create liars, manipulators and monsters. It is, in my opinion, these askew ideas about charity which are extending so far and so wrongfully that we leave ourselves in a position of being wholly unable to protect not only our spiritual lives, , but the immutable truths of the Church. The evidence had risen to the level of proof before the Archbishop died that in dealing with Rome, you are dealing with people who are in complete bad faith.

    But despite this present talk about an impasse and despite the fact that the SSPX may stay together, the damage has been enormous. Ratzinger promised you to lift the excommunication, with the sole proviso that you request it of him. You did, and that was your first mistake, for in requesting it, you are admitting what you have been denying these many years, and that is that the excommunication did not happen. Wotija explicitly stated that he did not excommunicate the Archbishop - - that it happened automatically by operation of law, and now by requesting that this excommunication by operation of law happened, you are admitting to the justness of it, for it cannot happen by operation of law if the Archbishop did nothing that would trigger an automatic excommunication by operation of law. And where does your admission that it happened leave Archbishop LeFebvre? Your actions acted as confirmation of a lie, creating the appearance for every SSPX member to see, that the Archbishop did something wrong, did something against the faith, did something against the Church. This is now the new legacy you have given to us to disturb us all.

    You have been betrayed by the Modernists and while you would otherwise have my sympathy, I cannot give it because you should have known. Further, you have been doing Rome's bidding for many years. When was the last time anyone from the pulpit (and I know you direct what kind of sermons are to be givenn by your priests), criticized Ratzinger, criticized all that has been going on that would strip anyone of their last vestige of faith. He has been in how many synogogues without one peep from any priest at a SSPX pulpit. Ten years ago, the SSPX, via the Angelus, confirmed the validity of the new sacraments and confirmed the Vatican II docuмents. These were gratuitous published statements. Archbishop LeFebvre said that the docuмent on religious liberty was heretical by any interpretation - that it did not allow for an interpretation in accord with the faith. He was at best uncertain about the rest of them. The Archbishop was even uncertain about the validity of the sacraments. Why would these gratuitous statements confirming their validity be published in the Angelus?. When did the SSPX become so certain about these weighty matters? I said once that if any of these popes are later declared anti-popes, the only people who have gone down on the historical record confirming the truth of their papacies will be SSPX. Even the Modernists say "nothing" about the matter, neither confirming nor denying that they are true popes. History will speak of only one group who stuck their necks out and made statements confirming their papacies. At the very least, the SSPX should remain silent on the issue of the sacraments, on the issue of the validity of the Vatican II docuмents, and on all the other actions Rome has engaged in for the last 45 years.

    If there is an impasse, you should immediately step down at this July meeting and get rid of that young man "He who shall remain nameless", to whom you have given an authority that astounds us all. . We are all fighting becaues you have created more havoc than the Jesuits of the 16th and 17th centuries, who had the Catholics in hand to hand combat in the Universities. Be a man and step down in July. Enough havoc has been created to last a lifetime.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 01, 2012, 12:19:31 PM »
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