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Offline dxcat40

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Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2022, 10:58:46 AM »
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  • I believe that my sources are better than yours.
    First of all, you don't know my sources. Second, you wouldn't even know if they are better, so "believe" is the correct verbage to use here. Finally...

    My sources at least are Traditional Catholic sources.
    ...this isn't a great indicator of truth, even though this argument is just a straw man (I read Catholics too, you silly girl). Put ten trads in a bunker and see how many of them are still alive in six months. It's probable that on just one topic the ten trads have a different opinion, and strongly adhere to it. They might have even multiple opinions, which only amplifies the crisis. It's a near certainty that they would quickly learn to hate one another for their differences in opinion. This is Traditional Catholicism 101.

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #46 on: December 14, 2022, 11:03:16 AM »
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  • First of all, you don't know my sources. Second, you wouldn't even know if they are better, so "believe" is the correct verbage to use here. Finally...
    ...this isn't a great indicator of truth, even though this argument is just a straw man (I read Catholics too, you silly girl). Put ten trads in a bunker and see how many of them are still alive in six months. It's probable that on just one topic the ten trads have a different opinion, and strongly adhere to it. They might have even multiple opinions, which only amplifies the crisis. It's a near certainty that they would quickly learn to hate one another for their differences in opinion. This is Traditional Catholicism 101.

    Okay, so what are your sources?

    I've told you my sources. Time for you to say what yours are. I assume that they are not the Jєωιѕн and Russian news sources that you have linked to, but rather some other source?

    I should mention that the use of your word, "verbage" isn't correct, since "verbage" isn't an English word. The correct word would be "verbiage."

    Verbage vs. Verbiage: What’s the Difference? - Writing Explained
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #47 on: December 14, 2022, 12:18:00 PM »
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  • Time for you to say what yours are.
    It's not time for me to do anything. I posted about this before and it didn't help at all. The problem lies elsewhere, but we've touched on it. Thanks for the tip. I'm going to ignore your next post unless it contains something of substance.

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #48 on: December 14, 2022, 12:22:13 PM »
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  • It's not time for me to do anything. I posted about this before and it didn't help at all. The problem lies elsewhere, but we've touched on it. Thanks for the tip. I'm going to ignore your next post unless it contains something of substance.

    So you've posted about your sources before and it didn't help. What didn't it help? I don't recall seeing anything about your sources. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #49 on: December 14, 2022, 03:59:29 PM »
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  • You could state that you hold +Williamson's position and move on, but you can't argue effectively against Golitsyn, etc. It's a different opinion, but it is not a pro-Biden/Democrat opinion.

    What do you mean "argue against Golitsyn"?  See, this again is where you raise a speculative opinion to the level of fact.  Golitsyn made some assertions.  They're unproven.  We can't prove Golitsyn's allegations.  Some speculate that he may have been acting as a disinfo agent.  I do find it suspicious that Golitsyn lived to the ripe old age of 82.  If he were truly a threat to the plan, he would have been a relatively soft target to eliminate.  Could he simply have made up his allegations or exaggerated them for financial gain or other motives?  Finally, if there was a "Perestroika Deception" plan as he described, is it still on track ... or could it have been derailed or altered, etc.?  We know none of this.  It makes for great speculation, but at the end of the day it amounts to gratuitous assertion and speculation, and it need not be "argued against" ... or otherwise accepted as proven fact.

    It is my opinion that a reversion to Sovietism would not currently be possible short of a "fαℓѕє fℓαg" type of event, as the people have tasted just a bit too much freedom for just a bit too long.  We have an entire generation who did not grow up behind the Iron Curtain and who would have to be dragged kicking and screaming on the heels of some manufactured crisis.

    I personally hold that the West and Communism were controlled by different groups / factions among "The Controllers", and may have been an experiment to determine which systems enables better and more complete control of the population ... with the Western hedonistic pseudo-demoracies having won hands down (Aldous Huxley's Brave New World vs Orwell's 1984) ... with Huxley coming out on top.  If you look at the WEF rhetoric about the Great Reset and the 4th Industrial Revolution, the vision is eerily similar to that of Huxley.


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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #50 on: December 14, 2022, 05:14:53 PM »
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  • What do you mean ...
    Golitsyn made predictions with a high rate of accuracy. Since you know his story, you should have an idea of why he was allowed to live so long. As far as on track, it definitely is, insofar as the Postwar West has no conception of the organized Marxist conspiracy to destroy it. As we know, the prevailing narrative is that Communism was defeated and the world has moved on, such as described by Fukuyama and his End of History and the Last Man.

    As far as opinions, we all have them. Yours isn't the default. In fact, most Americans disagree with you about Russia and see it as a threat (Pewresearch). Whether or not they agree with Biden and the Democrats is a separate issue. You should stop pretending at neutrality or as if I and others on the forum who disagree with you are uniquely at fault for pushing our ideas on the subject. You have just as strong opinions as the rest of us, and that's ok.

    JR Nyquist's analysis, from memory, is that the Soviets temporarily lost control (touching on the success of the strategy) during the democratization, but Trust-like operations brought it back under control after some time. That follows into your next idea...

    It is my opinion that a reversion to Sovietism would not currently be possible ...
    I believe you are correct, but the model would be China and not Stalin. The Russo-Ukrainian conflict is probably meant in part to teach Americans and Russians to hate. This reflects thinking from the defector literature on the subject of Soviet revivalism. I believe FTX is strong evidence as to the actual goals of Biden and the Democrats, which do not include Ukraine's long-term survival.

    I personally hold that the West and Communism were controlled by different groups / factions among "The Controllers", and may have been an experiment to determine which systems enables better and more complete control of the population ...
    People tend to forget that the US and USSR were allies until 1945. Someone else posted recently about how all of these entities came together after the war to build the UN and other globalist initiatives in order to bring about global governance. Part of the point of the Perestroika Deception was to work out the differences between East and West in order to bring about Convergence (using Western/Cultural Marxism and other subversions) into the final global governance system. We disagree about the details, but the overall trajectory is the same: global governance.

    Kudos for addressing ideas.

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #51 on: December 14, 2022, 08:49:12 PM »
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  • You mean it all comes down to our opinions.

    Meg, You are a traditional Catholic woman.

    You believe in proper Sacraments... correct?

    You believe priests must be properly ordained to consecrate the Holy Eucharist... correct?

    You're old enough to know the Bolshevik Jєωs took over Russia and never gave it up.... correct?

    You know Putin was high level communist KGB and that the Fatima conversion of Russia has never taken place... right?

    You know how unlikely it is for a Novus ordo Bishop and Opus Dei member to convert and become a trad...correct?

    And if the Novus ordo prelate truly converted when he was in hiding, he would spill the beans on the Opus judea... right?

    C'mon Meg :popcorn:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #52 on: December 14, 2022, 08:55:30 PM »
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  • Meg, You are a traditional Catholic woman.

    You believe in proper Sacraments... correct?

    You believe priests must be properly ordained to consecrate the Holy Eucharist... correct?

    You're old enough to know the Bolshevik Jєωs took over Russia and never gave it up.... correct?

    You know Putin was high level communist KGB and that the Fatima conversion of Russia has never taken place... right?

    You know how unlikely it is for a Novus ordo Bishop and Opus Dei member to convert and become a trad...correct?

    And if the Novus ordo prelate truly converted when he was in hiding, he would spill the beans on the Opus judea... right?

    C'mon Meg :popcorn:


    The three bolded selections are UN demonstrated and unproven.

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #53 on: December 14, 2022, 09:03:02 PM »
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  • The three bolded selections are UN demonstrated and unproven.

    Sean,

    Please tell us when the jews left Russia?

    As I understand it, tens of thousands of Russian-jew software developers work in Israel every year.

    And give some examples of Novus ordo- Opus Dei Bishop coverts?

    I know of one from Paraguay who was murdered by Opus Dei.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #54 on: December 14, 2022, 09:09:22 PM »
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  • Sean,

    Please tell us when the Jєωs left Russia?

    As I understand it, tens of thousands of Russian-Jєω software developers work in Israel every year.

    And give some examples of Novus ordo- Opus Dei Bishop coverts?

    I know of one from Paraguay who was murdered by Opus Dei.



    There has to be a foreseeable ROI (return on investment) to justify the labor.

    In this case, I don’t see it.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #55 on: December 14, 2022, 09:16:52 PM »
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  • There has to be a foreseeable ROI (return on investment) to justify the labor.

    In this case, I don’t see it.
    The ROI is your credibility as a trad pundit and American representative of Bp. Williamson's SSPX Resistance.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #56 on: December 14, 2022, 09:18:00 PM »
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  • The ROI is your credibility as a trad pundit and American representative of Bp. Williamson's SSPX Resistance.

    OK.  Great post👍
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Has +Vigano Been Eerily Quiet Lately?
    « Reply #57 on: December 15, 2022, 07:07:36 AM »
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  • Still no word from Vigano.  I'm also having trouble finding anything on Stilum Curiae (Marco Tosatti) after August of this year.

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    « Reply #58 on: December 15, 2022, 07:09:52 AM »
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  • Still no word from Vigano.  I'm also having trouble finding anything on Stilum Curiae (Marco Tosatti) after August of this year.

    23 days.  

    That might be the longest silence since 2018.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #59 on: December 15, 2022, 07:37:05 PM »
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  • 23 days. 

    That might be the longest silence since 2018.
    https://gloria.tv/post/K6XZuentnuAB4RhfGfz7fgWWz

    Dec 23, 2020

    Viganò: The Bishops Have Placed Themselves At The Service Of Globalist Oligarchy And Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ





    Archbishop Viganò addresses in his latest statement (LaVerita.info, December 19), the Vatican’s complicity with organisations, ideologies and goals aligned with globalist elites. Viganò's Official translation.



    A Den Of Thieves



    Exsurgat Deus, et dissipentur inimici ejus:

    et fugiant qui oderunt eum a facie ejus.

    Psalm 67



    In the past few days, the latest news is that Bergoglio is dedicating his time to making a television series called Sharing the Wisdom of Time, produced by Netflix, which yesterday published a post on Twitter that summarizes its ideological point of reference: Praise Satan. It goes without saying that this multinational corporation is involved in the spread of immorality and vice, including the sɛҳuąƖ exploitation of minors.



    Similarly, in the past few days the Holy See has signed an agreement with the UN to promote sustainability and gender equality, thereby giving its support to an organization that promotes abortion and contraception.



    On the very day dedicated to the Immaculate Conception – December 8, 2020 – almost like a shameful insult against the Blessed Mother, a new partnership was officially instituted between the Vatican and the “Council for Inclusive Capitalism” promoted by Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a close friend of Hillary Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein, after sending a message of praise to Klaus Schwab, the president of the World Economic Forum and theorist of the Great Reset.



    And in order not to give rise to misunderstandings, after numerous appeals to obey the authorities in the emergency of the psycho-pandemic, it appears that the Covid vaccine will be made obligatory for all the officials and staff of Vatican City, despite the fact that is has been produced with aborted fetal tissue and provides no guarantee of being either effective or harmless.



    I believe it is now understood beyond all reasonable doubt that the leaders of the present Catholic Hierarchy have placed themselves at the service of the globalist Oligarchy and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ: the idolatrous cult of the pachamama in the Vatican Basilica is now joined by a sacrilegious Nativity scene, whose symbology appears to allude to ancient Egyptian rites as well as aliens. Only a naive person or an accomplice can deny that in this whole chain of events there is a very clear ideological coherence and a lucid diabolical mind.



    But as I have already pointed out, it would be misleading to limit oneself to an evaluation of events within the Church without framing them in the wider political and social context: there is only one direction being given in which both the main protagonists as well as the extras follow the same script. The purpose has now been declared: destroying Nations from within by means of the deep state and the Church of Christ by means of the deep church, in order to establish the kingdom of the Antichrist, with the help of the False Prophet.



    The secret Sino-Vatican agreement, very strongly desired by Bergoglio and renewed a few weeks ago, fits perfectly into this disturbing picture, confirming the pactum sceleris which consigns Chinese Catholics to persecution, dissidents to reeducation, churches to demolition, Sacred Scripture to censorship and adulteration. It is no coincidence that this agreement, which the Popes always refused with disdain, was made possible thanks to the offices of the former Cardinal McCarrick and his accomplices, with the decisive help of the Jesuits: the actors, we know, are always the same. They are both corrupted and corruptors, both blackmailed and blackmailers, all united by their rebellion against doctrine and morals and indiscriminately subservient to anti-Catholic, indeed anti-Christian, powers.



    Communist China constitutes the militant arm of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, both in the spread of a mutant virus created in a laboratory, as well as in the interference in the American Presidential elections and the enlistment of fifth columns in the service of Beijing regime. It also promotes the apostasy of the leaders of the Church, preventing her from proclaiming the Gospel and placing herself as a defending wall against the attack of the élite. The fact that this brings economic advantages for the Vatican makes the Bergoglian sect’s subservience to this infernal plan even more shameful, creating a significant counterpoint to the business of migrants, which is also part of the intentional dissolution of the society that once was Christian. It is disconcerting that such a scandalous betrayal of the mission of the Catholic Church does not merit firm and courageous condemnation from the Episcopate, which – in the face of evidence of an apostasy pursued with ever greater determination – does not dare to raise its voice out of fear or a false concept of prudence.



    The words of Dr. Arthur Tane, Director of the Council on Middle East Relations, may sound bold and strong, but they have the merit of highlighting without false fears the subversion carried out under this most ominous “pontificate.” It is to be hoped that with the publication of Tane’s letter to Cardinal Parolin there will be some who will finally open their eyes, before the plot of the conspirators is accomplished. In this regard, we agree with commendable denunciation made by Cardinal Burke on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe about the use of COVID for the purposes of the “Great Reset” – a denunciation that joins the one I made last May and have reiterated many times, as well as that of other Pastors who are faithful to the Word of God and solicitous towards their flock.



    The letter of Arthur Tane to the Secretary of State closes with a citation from the Gospel that is more appropriate than ever: “Either the Church understands the significance of its mission, or it itself has become a temple of money changers. For in the words of Jesus: It is written that my house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a den of robbers (Mt 21:12-13).”



    As Bishops, we cannot be silent: our silence would constitute an intolerable connivance and complicity with those mercenaries who, abusing a usurped power, deny Christ and consign souls to the Enemy of the human race.



    +Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop



    18 December 2020

    Ember Friday of Advent