for the simple fact that the marriage was officiated by a SSPX priest?

Can anyone name a diocese which will enter a SSPX witnessed marriage in its registry?   Mine won't.

Why would a couple register their marriage with a diocese?  I thought all records were kept by the parish.

Marsha

Can anyone name a diocese which will enter a SSPX witnessed marriage in its registry?   Mine won't.

Then they are gravely derelict in their duty. Even if no harm actually comes, they are guilty of whatever harm COULD come. To give your imagination some help, picture a seminarian who was actually married getting ordained later on. All the evils that would flow from that would be this person's fault.

SSPX marriages are certainly valid. SSPX priests are valid priests, and it's the couple that confects the marriage.

But even if the Conciliar authorities disagree with the Traditionalist position and the justification thereof, they have to admit that a couple is married and go ahead and register them, so they can't get married again, etc.

To do otherwise, they don't have a leg to stand on. Vatican II or no, 1917 Canon Law or 1983 Canon Law. They can't even quote something post-Vatican II that would defend this behavior.

Our SSPX priest certainly sent information about my marriage to my wife's home parish, etc. It's not like my wife is from a super-Trad parish and/or with a traditionally-minded bishop or something. No, they are quite average. But they will certainly record a done deed like a marriage!

We're not talking about being in the "Parish registry", or even on the "good standing" list. That's a different matter. But they need to note that one of their former parishioners has been married, so if that person later tries to get ordained, the seminary will be contacting *that same parish* for the person's records. That's how it works. It's a question of organized, distributed record keeping. It's not some kind of "seal of approval".

Besides, the Conciliar Church is supposed to be super liberal now. They want to allow "civil unions" between ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, and virtually bless second marriages after divorce (without annulments) and give them communion.

for the simple fact that the marriage was officiated by a SSPX priest?

It would be a violation of justice to do so, because that is not grounds for annulment.

An annulment means that a marriage never took place. It would be ridiculous to try to prove than a marriage presided over by an SSPX priest was not a real marriage.

On what grounds? The SSPX does a fine job of screening for impediments, and their marriage instruction is perfectly sound. It would be morally impossible to get married by any SSPX priest and not be entering into a true marriage as a result.

The SSPX priests leave no stone unturned. They do plenty of due diligence to make sure that no impediments exist, and that both man and wife understand the duties and responsibilities of marriage.

My SSPX priest even had me sign something that said that eventually Rome will have to rubber-stamp all the hundreds of marriages witnessed by SSPX priests. It said that I understand that I am coming to the SSPX as opposed to my local diocese because I am concerned for my Faith. And then Father sent off the notice of the coming marriage (and, after the fact, he gave notice that the marriage took place) to both of our home parishes.

Again, I don't see where the defect could be. The SSPX seems to be quite good at covering all the bases, even those things touching on the SSPX's irregular status with Rome.

I have heard of marriages like that being annulled for that reason but I cannot cite a specific case.

Well I've heard that aliens have abducted people on earth but I cannot cite a specific case.

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You see, Ggreg, sometimes you need to look things up for yourself and verify the source. You can't believe everything you read or hear, especially on the Internet.

You also need to stop and think about it; see if it even passes the smell test. Is it logical? Would they be likely to do something like this?

In this case, the Conciliar Church already gives out annulments like candy. There is a certain clause, similar to "irreconcilable differences", that they use to annul marriages in most of their cases. Considering it works so well, why would they go with an exotic or controversial reason?

You needn't consult the Roman Rota.  The Fraternity of St. Peter, if you believe one of its chapel's pastors speaks for the entire apostolate, is quite clear on the matter of SSPX marriages.  They are invalid!  So annulment of an sspx marriage should be a rather simple procedure.  I have been told directly by Pastor Fr. Gordon of FSSP St. Joan's Chapel in Coeur d'Alene, ID on at least one occasion, (and probably two), that sspx marriages have no legal standing in the Church.  Since FSSP is in full communion with Rome, they should know, shouldn't they?  :rolleyes:

Yes, this is true.   If you ask any FSSP priest they will tell you marriages & confessions are invalid in the SSPX.  Now, whether they will use that as a basis of annulment, IDK.  I know if you were married by an SSPX priest, FSSP would recommend you have the marriage blessed by them or a NO priest to be considered valid. That's what we were told needed to be done.  In fact we were told when we first came there, after being with the SSPX, that we needed to redo confessions made to an FSSP priest.

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Like ggreg I have heard of it but know of no specific case.
 

Are both of you quite sure? It sure sounds like a RUMOR to me. How about some hard facts and evidence? GGreg seems to be quite hard-nosed about this sort of thing -- accusing me of credulity all the time, both in and out of season.

I guess if you're quick to believe the Moon Landing was a hoax, that's ridiculous.

But if you're quick to believe that some mythical person had his marriage annulled for no other reason than "an SSPX priest officiated", it's logical to accept that on faith.

Ridiculous!

Annulling a marriage for such a non-reason is absolutely ridiculous, and I refuse to believe even CONCILIAR ROME could do such a thing, unless I'm faced with evidence to the contrary.

If they wanted to annul such a marriage, they would stick with their usual "irreconcilable differences" and they'd be doing it because one of the parties wants a divorce. You know, the usual story. They wouldn't resort to some exotic reason that didn't even hold water.

I agree. I can't speak for ggreg but to me the point was that it's more of an urban legend. Everybody "has heard" that SSPX marriages aren't valid yet there's nothing in reality to back it up.