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Offline Matto

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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2013, 03:07:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: nipr
    "I live in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has destroyed the archdioceses, persecuting every single orthodox priest.


    I wonder if he will ban the Latin Mass.
    R.I.P.
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    « Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 03:07:49 PM »
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    "I live in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has destroyed the archdioceses, persecuting every single orthodox priest.


    I wonder if he will ban the Latin Mass.


    Perhaps a blessing in disguise?


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    « Reply #17 on: March 13, 2013, 03:08:15 PM »
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    "I live in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has destroyed the archdioceses, persecuting every single orthodox priest.


    I wonder if he will ban the Latin Mass.


    And take the cheese out of the trap? Nah.
    "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

    "We must risk something for God!"~Hernan Cortes


    TEJANO AND PROUD!

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    « Reply #18 on: March 13, 2013, 03:17:38 PM »
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  • Call me a cynic if you wish, but I agree with Bishop Williamson that it may take a few popes that will suffer martyrdom before the world is ready for a true Catholic pope.

    The current liberals in Vatican II aren't going to put up with a "true" pope and all the necessary changes that are needed for Rome to return to the Faith. It'll certainly take some time....

    So, we "Watch and Pray".......hold fast to the Faith.      

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    « Reply #19 on: March 13, 2013, 04:52:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: nipr
    "I live in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has destroyed the archdioceses, persecuting every single orthodox priest. He despises sacrality, and has de facto prohibited the application of Summorum Pontificuм. He is an utter enemy of Tradition, ill-minded, almost maffiosi.
    This has to be a severe chastisement from God to us all."
    Antonio - Comment on Rorate Caeli

    (sent to me in an email)


    Well, that hope didn't last very long!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #20 on: March 13, 2013, 06:26:07 PM »
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  • Sorry, I couldn't get the pictures to come through.



    Church Revolution in Pictures


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    Argentine Cardinal kneels to receive Protestant 'Blessing'

     

    On June 19, 2006, the Third Fraternal Encounter of the Renewed Communion of Evangelicals and Catholics was held in Luna Park stadium in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Present were the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, and the Preacher of the Pontifical Household, Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa.

    The highlight of the meeting was when the Argentine Cardinal fell to his knees to be blessed by the some twenty Protestant pastors present.

    The photo above registers this moment. One can distinguish Protestant pastor Carlos Mraida with his hand over Bertoglio's head; to Mraida's left in the photo is pastor Norberto Saracco of the Pentecostal Church of Argentina. The bearded monk with his back to the camera is Fr. Cantalamessa wearing the Capuchin habit.

    This encounter was born from a meeting at the Pontifical Gregorian Universtity in Rome, where the Catholic leader of the Movement of Charismatical Renewal met Protestants, who invited him to preach in their temples. The initiative spread and has generated gatherings like this one in Buenos Aires.

    Below, a close-up of the around 7,000 attendees - both Catholics and Protestants.






     

     

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    « Reply #21 on: March 13, 2013, 06:32:06 PM »
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  • General of the Jesuits, Black Pope?

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    « Reply #22 on: March 13, 2013, 07:59:19 PM »
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  • Take a look at this from Rorate-Caeli.  (Sorry -- don't know how to put it here so that all you have to do is click)  A lot of answers to be found here.

    Story heading: "The Horror!  A Buenos Aires Journalist Describes Bergoglio"


    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-horror-buenos-aires-journalist.html



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    « Reply #23 on: March 13, 2013, 08:00:50 PM »
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  • Okay, the link posted in such a way that you can just click and it takes you there.

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    « Reply #24 on: March 13, 2013, 08:09:54 PM »
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  • Here is another link...

    "Pope Francis", Jorge Mario Bergoglio, as the Argentine Cardinal kneels to receive Protestant 'Blessing'.

    Photos and Article depicting the event:
    http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A306rcBertoglioBless.html

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    Argentine Cardinal kneels to receive Protestant 'Blessing'

        On June 19, 2006, the Third Fraternal Encounter of the Renewed Communion of Evangelicals and Catholics was held in Luna Park stadium in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Present were the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, and the Preacher of the Pontifical Household, Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa.

        The highlight of the meeting was when the Argentine Cardinal fell to his knees to be blessed by the some twenty Protestant pastors present.

        The photo above registers this moment. One can distinguish Protestant pastor Carlos Mraida with his hand over Bertoglio's head; to Mraida's left in the photo is pastor Norberto Saracco of the Pentecostal Church of Argentina. The bearded monk with his back to the camera is Fr. Cantalamessa wearing the Capuchin habit.

        This encounter was born from a meeting at the Pontifical Gregorian Universtity in Rome, where the Catholic leader of the Movement of Charismatical Renewal met Protestants, who invited him to preach in their temples. The initiative spread and has generated gatherings like this one in Buenos Aires.

        Below, a close-up of the around 7,000 attendees - both Catholics and Protestants.

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    « Reply #25 on: March 13, 2013, 08:16:32 PM »
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  • Bad things, man.................bad.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #26 on: March 13, 2013, 09:31:12 PM »
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  • The sins of the Argentinian church

    The Catholic church was complicit in dreadful crimes in Argentina. Now it has a chance to repent

    • Andrew Brown: Choice of Jorge Bergoglio as pope shows a decisive shift from Europe
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    Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, the archbishop of Buenos Aires. Photograph: Natacha Pisarenko/AP


    Benedict XVI gave us words of great comfort and encouragement in the message he delivered on Christmas Eve.

     "God anticipates us again and again in unexpected ways," the pope said. "He does not cease to search for us, to raise us up as often as we might need. He does not abandon the lost sheep in the wilderness into which it had strayed. God does not allow himself to be confounded by our sin. Again and again he begins afresh with us".

    If these words comforted and encouraged me they will surely have done the same for leaders of the church in Argentina, among many others. To the judicious and fair-minded outsider it has been clear for years that the upper reaches of the Argentinian church contained many "lost sheep in the wilderness", men who had communed and supported the unspeakably brutal western-supported military dictatorship that seized power in that country in 1976 and battened on it for years. Not only did the generals slaughter thousands unjustly, often dropping them out of aeroplanes over the River Plate and selling off their orphan children to the highest bidder, they also murdered at least two bishops and many priests. Yet even the execution of other men of the cloth did nothing to shake the support of senior clerics, including representatives of the Holy See, for the criminality of their leader General Jorge Rafael Videla and his minions.

    As it happens, in the week before Christmas in the city of Córdoba Videla and some of his military and police cohorts were convicted by their country's courts of the murder of 31 people between April and October 1976, a small fraction of the killings they were responsible for. The convictions brought life sentences for some of the military. These were not to be served, as has often been the case in Argentina and neighbouring Chile, in comfy armed forces retirement homes but in common prisons. Unsurprisingly there was dancing in the city's streets when the judge announced the sentences.

    What one did not hear from any senior member of the Argentinian hierarchy was any expression of regret for the church's collaboration and in these crimes. The extent of the church's complicity in the dark deeds was excellently set out by Horacio Verbitsky, one of Argentina's most notable journalists, in his book El Silencio (Silence). He recounts how the Argentinian navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship's political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate. The most shaming thing for the church is that in such circuмstances Bergoglio's name was allowed to go forward in the ballot to chose the successor of John Paul II. What scandal would not have ensued if the first pope ever to be elected from the continent of America had been revealed as an accessory to murder and false imprisonment

    One would have thought that the Argentinian bishops would have seized the opportunity to call for pardon for themselves and put on sackcloth and ashes as the sentences were announced in Córdoba but that has not so far happened.

    But happily Their Eminences have just been given another chance to express contrition. Next month the convicted murderer Videla will be arraigned for his part in the killing of Enrique Angelelli, bishop of the Andean diocese of La Rioja and a supporter of the cause of poorer Argentinians. He was run off the highway by a hit squad of the Videla régime and killed on 4th August 1976 shortly after Videla's putsch.

    Cardinal Bergoglio has plenty of time to be measured for a suit of sackcloth – perhaps tailored in a suitable clerical grey – to be worn when the church authorities are called into the witness box by the investigating judge in the Angelelli case. Ashes will be readily available if the records of the Argentinian bishops' many disingenuous and outrightly mendacious statements about Videla and Angelelli are burned.

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    « Reply #27 on: March 13, 2013, 10:38:35 PM »
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  • I find it interesting that in the 1920's, an aged German JESUIT, Father Gruber, an expert on Masonic matters, made contact with 3 highly-placed Masons in order to study the possibilities, first of a truce, then of a permanent modus vivendi, which would put an end to the furious war which has raged between the Catholic Church and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ since 1738.  These contacts were discreet, not to say secret, and they remained virtually unknown to the public at large.

    After WWII, the campaign which Father Gruber had secretly begun from the Catholic side was resumed in France, this time openly, by another JESUIT, Father Bertheloot.

    The progresssives, who were enjoying considerable influence within the Church, realized that they had little chance of success during Pope Pius XII's  life-time.  

    With the accession of Pope John XXIII, and the growth of new conceptions of ecuмenism which followed, something like an explosion took place.

    Is there any connection?   Have the Freemasons finally found their time? Is this JESUIT  their boy to end all previous condemnation of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?

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    « Reply #28 on: March 13, 2013, 10:50:45 PM »
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  • I see that Pope Francis was ordained in 1969 and that the new Rite of Ordination was promulgated in 1968, but does anyone know for sure that this man was ordained in the new rite?  I think it makes a difference and I would like to know for certain.

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    « Reply #29 on: March 13, 2013, 10:52:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: bvmknight
    I see that Pope Francis was ordained in 1969 and that the new Rite of Ordination was promulgated in 1968, but does anyone know for sure that this man was ordained in the new rite?  I think it makes a difference and I would like to know for certain.


    Was wondering that myself.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."