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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Zeitun on March 13, 2013, 01:19:26 PM
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White smoke seen from Sistine Chapel
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John XXIV ?
Paul VII ?
John Paul III ?
Benedict XVII ?
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Francis
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Bergogolio
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Argentinian.... Pope Francis.
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Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Archbishop of Buenos Aires of Argentina, elected pope.
He is 76 years old; is the first Jesuit and first Latin American pope.
He took the name Pope Francis.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/13/us-pope-succession-idUSBRE92808520130313
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Looks like CathInfo is really hopping today -- 41 members, 120 guests...
Everyone wants to know what CathInfo has to say about the new Pope!
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Will he do the Consecration to the IHM?
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@ Zeitun Rotate the M 90 degrees counter-clockwise, and you get a sigma. He is a Jesuit.
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bio on Wikipedia
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Here is a Bio on Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Argentina; New Pope Francis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Bergoglio
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Prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi (d. 1226): “There will be an uncanonically elected Pope who will cause a great schism, there will be diverse thoughts preached which will cause many, even those in the different orders to doubt, yea, even agree with those heretics which will cause my Order to divide, then will there be such universal dissensions and persecutions that if those days were not shortened even the elect would be lost.” (Rev. Culleton, The Reign of Antichrist, Tan Books, 1974, p. 130.). Some believe this prophecy referred to the controversy surrounding the election of Pope John XXIII and Cardinal Siri. But it could refer to the next and last pope (Peter the Roman). The last pope may just cut Catholics loose from unity and the papacy, causing total disruption and confusion.
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Sedes would probably apply that prophecy rather to John XXIII. I would not apply that prophecy to Pope Francis I.
Some people would be inclined to apply that prophecy to the Great Schism.
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Oops. I saw what you said. But I disagree strongly still with what you say.
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"I live in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has destroyed the archdioceses, persecuting every single orthodox priest. He despises sacrality, and has de facto prohibited the application of Summorum Pontificuм. He is an utter enemy of Tradition, ill-minded, almost maffiosi.
This has to be a severe chastisement from God to us all."
Antonio - Comment on Rorate Caeli
(sent to me in an email)
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"I live in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has destroyed the archdioceses, persecuting every single orthodox priest.
I wonder if he will ban the Latin Mass.
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"I live in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has destroyed the archdioceses, persecuting every single orthodox priest.
I wonder if he will ban the Latin Mass.
Perhaps a blessing in disguise?
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"I live in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has destroyed the archdioceses, persecuting every single orthodox priest.
I wonder if he will ban the Latin Mass.
And take the cheese out of the trap? Nah.
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Call me a cynic if you wish, but I agree with Bishop Williamson that it may take a few popes that will suffer martyrdom before the world is ready for a true Catholic pope.
The current liberals in Vatican II aren't going to put up with a "true" pope and all the necessary changes that are needed for Rome to return to the Faith. It'll certainly take some time....
So, we "Watch and Pray".......hold fast to the Faith.
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"I live in Buenos Aires. Bergoglio has destroyed the archdioceses, persecuting every single orthodox priest. He despises sacrality, and has de facto prohibited the application of Summorum Pontificuм. He is an utter enemy of Tradition, ill-minded, almost maffiosi.
This has to be a severe chastisement from God to us all."
Antonio - Comment on Rorate Caeli
(sent to me in an email)
Well, that hope didn't last very long!
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Sorry, I couldn't get the pictures to come through.
Church Revolution in Pictures
Photo of the Week
Argentine Cardinal kneels to receive Protestant 'Blessing'
On June 19, 2006, the Third Fraternal Encounter of the Renewed Communion of Evangelicals and Catholics was held in Luna Park stadium in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Present were the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, and the Preacher of the Pontifical Household, Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa.
The highlight of the meeting was when the Argentine Cardinal fell to his knees to be blessed by the some twenty Protestant pastors present.
The photo above registers this moment. One can distinguish Protestant pastor Carlos Mraida with his hand over Bertoglio's head; to Mraida's left in the photo is pastor Norberto Saracco of the Pentecostal Church of Argentina. The bearded monk with his back to the camera is Fr. Cantalamessa wearing the Capuchin habit.
This encounter was born from a meeting at the Pontifical Gregorian Universtity in Rome, where the Catholic leader of the Movement of Charismatical Renewal met Protestants, who invited him to preach in their temples. The initiative spread and has generated gatherings like this one in Buenos Aires.
Below, a close-up of the around 7,000 attendees - both Catholics and Protestants.
Posted March 29, 2009
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General of the Jesuits, Black Pope?
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Take a look at this from Rorate-Caeli. (Sorry -- don't know how to put it here so that all you have to do is click) A lot of answers to be found here.
Story heading: "The Horror! A Buenos Aires Journalist Describes Bergoglio"
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-horror-buenos-aires-journalist.html
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Okay, the link posted in such a way that you can just click and it takes you there.
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Here is another link...
"Pope Francis", Jorge Mario Bergoglio, as the Argentine Cardinal kneels to receive Protestant 'Blessing'.
Photos and Article depicting the event:
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A306rcBertoglioBless.html
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Argentine Cardinal kneels to receive Protestant 'Blessing'
On June 19, 2006, the Third Fraternal Encounter of the Renewed Communion of Evangelicals and Catholics was held in Luna Park stadium in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Present were the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, and the Preacher of the Pontifical Household, Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa.
The highlight of the meeting was when the Argentine Cardinal fell to his knees to be blessed by the some twenty Protestant pastors present.
The photo above registers this moment. One can distinguish Protestant pastor Carlos Mraida with his hand over Bertoglio's head; to Mraida's left in the photo is pastor Norberto Saracco of the Pentecostal Church of Argentina. The bearded monk with his back to the camera is Fr. Cantalamessa wearing the Capuchin habit.
This encounter was born from a meeting at the Pontifical Gregorian Universtity in Rome, where the Catholic leader of the Movement of Charismatical Renewal met Protestants, who invited him to preach in their temples. The initiative spread and has generated gatherings like this one in Buenos Aires.
Below, a close-up of the around 7,000 attendees - both Catholics and Protestants.
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Bad things, man.................bad.
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The sins of the Argentinian church
The Catholic church was complicit in dreadful crimes in Argentina. Now it has a chance to repent
• Andrew Brown: Choice of Jorge Bergoglio as pope shows a decisive shift from Europe
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Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, the archbishop of Buenos Aires. Photograph: Natacha Pisarenko/AP
Benedict XVI gave us words of great comfort and encouragement in the message he delivered on Christmas Eve.
"God anticipates us again and again in unexpected ways," the pope said. "He does not cease to search for us, to raise us up as often as we might need. He does not abandon the lost sheep in the wilderness into which it had strayed. God does not allow himself to be confounded by our sin. Again and again he begins afresh with us".
If these words comforted and encouraged me they will surely have done the same for leaders of the church in Argentina, among many others. To the judicious and fair-minded outsider it has been clear for years that the upper reaches of the Argentinian church contained many "lost sheep in the wilderness", men who had communed and supported the unspeakably brutal western-supported military dictatorship that seized power in that country in 1976 and battened on it for years. Not only did the generals slaughter thousands unjustly, often dropping them out of aeroplanes over the River Plate and selling off their orphan children to the highest bidder, they also murdered at least two bishops and many priests. Yet even the execution of other men of the cloth did nothing to shake the support of senior clerics, including representatives of the Holy See, for the criminality of their leader General Jorge Rafael Videla and his minions.
As it happens, in the week before Christmas in the city of Córdoba Videla and some of his military and police cohorts were convicted by their country's courts of the murder of 31 people between April and October 1976, a small fraction of the killings they were responsible for. The convictions brought life sentences for some of the military. These were not to be served, as has often been the case in Argentina and neighbouring Chile, in comfy armed forces retirement homes but in common prisons. Unsurprisingly there was dancing in the city's streets when the judge announced the sentences.
What one did not hear from any senior member of the Argentinian hierarchy was any expression of regret for the church's collaboration and in these crimes. The extent of the church's complicity in the dark deeds was excellently set out by Horacio Verbitsky, one of Argentina's most notable journalists, in his book El Silencio (Silence). He recounts how the Argentinian navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship's political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate. The most shaming thing for the church is that in such circuмstances Bergoglio's name was allowed to go forward in the ballot to chose the successor of John Paul II. What scandal would not have ensued if the first pope ever to be elected from the continent of America had been revealed as an accessory to murder and false imprisonment
One would have thought that the Argentinian bishops would have seized the opportunity to call for pardon for themselves and put on sackcloth and ashes as the sentences were announced in Córdoba but that has not so far happened.
But happily Their Eminences have just been given another chance to express contrition. Next month the convicted murderer Videla will be arraigned for his part in the killing of Enrique Angelelli, bishop of the Andean diocese of La Rioja and a supporter of the cause of poorer Argentinians. He was run off the highway by a hit squad of the Videla régime and killed on 4th August 1976 shortly after Videla's putsch.
Cardinal Bergoglio has plenty of time to be measured for a suit of sackcloth – perhaps tailored in a suitable clerical grey – to be worn when the church authorities are called into the witness box by the investigating judge in the Angelelli case. Ashes will be readily available if the records of the Argentinian bishops' many disingenuous and outrightly mendacious statements about Videla and Angelelli are burned.
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I find it interesting that in the 1920's, an aged German JESUIT, Father Gruber, an expert on Masonic matters, made contact with 3 highly-placed Masons in order to study the possibilities, first of a truce, then of a permanent modus vivendi, which would put an end to the furious war which has raged between the Catholic Church and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ since 1738. These contacts were discreet, not to say secret, and they remained virtually unknown to the public at large.
After WWII, the campaign which Father Gruber had secretly begun from the Catholic side was resumed in France, this time openly, by another JESUIT, Father Bertheloot.
The progresssives, who were enjoying considerable influence within the Church, realized that they had little chance of success during Pope Pius XII's life-time.
With the accession of Pope John XXIII, and the growth of new conceptions of ecuмenism which followed, something like an explosion took place.
Is there any connection? Have the Freemasons finally found their time? Is this JESUIT their boy to end all previous condemnation of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
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I see that Pope Francis was ordained in 1969 and that the new Rite of Ordination was promulgated in 1968, but does anyone know for sure that this man was ordained in the new rite? I think it makes a difference and I would like to know for certain.
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I see that Pope Francis was ordained in 1969 and that the new Rite of Ordination was promulgated in 1968, but does anyone know for sure that this man was ordained in the new rite? I think it makes a difference and I would like to know for certain.
Was wondering that myself.
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Menzingen has already
planted the seed commented on Pope Francis's election. This should be an interesting relationship that's just awaiting a full blossom. :alcohol:
From: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/03/official-statements-on-election.html
From the Society of Saint Pius X:
Communiqué from the SSPX's General House on the occasion of the election of Pope Francis
With the news of the election of Pope Francis, the Society of St. Pius X prays to Almighty God that He abundantly bestow on the new Sovereign Pontiff the graces necessary for the exercise of this heavy charge.
Strengthened by Divine Providence, may the new pope "confirm his brethren in the Faith"[1], with the authority which St. Pius X proclaimed at the beginning of his pontificate:
We do not wish to be, and with the divine assistance never shall be aught before human society but the Minister of God, of whose authority We are the depositary. The interests of God shall be Our interest, and for these We are resolved to spend all Our strength and Our very life.[2]
St. Francis of Assisi, whose name the new pontiff has taken, heard the Crucified Savior say to him, "Go, Francis and rebuild my Church." It is in such a spirit that the bishops, priests, and religious of the Society of St. Pius X assure the Holy Father of their filial desire "to restore all things in Christ, so that Christ may be all and in all”[3] according to their means, for the love of the Holy Catholic and Roman Church.
Menzingen, March 13, 2013
1 Luke 22:32.
2 St. Pius X’s encyclical E supremi apostolatus (October 4, 1903).
3 Eph. 1:10 and Col. 3:11.
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Benedict XVI gave us words of great comfort and encouragement in the message he delivered on Christmas Eve.
"God anticipates us again and again in unexpected ways," the pope said. "He does not cease to search for us, to raise us up as often as we might need. He does not abandon the lost sheep in the wilderness into which it had strayed. God does not allow himself to be confounded by our sin. Again and again he begins afresh with us".
I applaud 'Ben' for quoting BXVI's words. It is in this spirit that we must go forth, believing blindly in God's great Grace and His Providence. We truly are as small children. God knows what is going to happen, what we are going to do. We know that this is not 'fatalism', but rather like the father who sees his son on a bicycle doing some silly trick and who just knows that his son is going to come a croppper. His son cannot see it. His father can. The son does fall off. This is not fatalism, it is the greater knowledge the father has than his son.
The mother says to her child, don't touch the cooker, you will burn yourself. The child does not listen and... yes, it burns itself.
Neither the father nor the mother turns against the child, but keeps raising up their child as often as is necessary. Our Blessed Mother continues to pray for us even when we are in deepest sin - Why? Because she loves us. God's love is supreme and never ends, but some of us 'small' children think we know better, not listening to words of wisdom, and eventually some are damned.
Our new Pope needs our prayers more than ever. God knows the outcome, we do not. So, we pray in all charity. We can be all things, but if we have not charity, as St Paul says, we have nothing!
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Take a look at this from Rorate-Caeli. (Sorry -- don't know how to put it here so that all you have to do is click) A lot of answers to be found here.
Story heading: "The Horror! A Buenos Aires Journalist Describes Bergoglio"
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-horror-buenos-aires-journalist.html
"Jim said...
Mary Jean said...
As a member of my parish's liturgy team and a Eucharistic minister I couldn't be more happy and proud of my loving and inclusive church on this day. This is truly the work of the spirit continuing the renewal. Yahweh bless Francis the humble Bishop of Rome.
Sorry, Mary Jean, but you are what the Novus Ordo Church properly calls an "Extraordinary Minister." There is no such thing as a "Eucharistic Minister" in the Roman Catholic Church. Your dicoese should at least teach you the proper terminology. By the way, what makes you think that you are worthy to touch the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ? "
Kyrie Eleison!
Even more trouble for Tradition - This man is anti-Tradition!
Tantum Aude!
"...the work of the spirit . . ." The spirit of Satan !
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I find it interesting that in the 1920's, an aged German JESUIT, Father Gruber, an expert on Masonic matters, made contact with 3 highly-placed Masons in order to study the possibilities, first of a truce, then of a permanent modus vivendi, which would put an end to the furious war which has raged between the Catholic Church and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ since 1738. These contacts were discreet, not to say secret, and they remained virtually unknown to the public at large.
After WWII, the campaign which Father Gruber had secretly begun from the Catholic side was resumed in France, this time openly, by another JESUIT, Father Bertheloot.
The progresssives, who were enjoying considerable influence within the Church, realized that they had little chance of success during Pope Pius XII's life-time.
With the accession of Pope John XXIII, and the growth of new conceptions of ecuмenism which followed, something like an explosion took place.
Is there any connection? Have the Freemasons finally found their time? Is this JESUIT their boy to end all previous condemnation of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?
Good history Ben. Thanks.
To answer your question, I think you can bet on it.
In reviewing Masonic Times and their links to other masonic sites, every single headline pertained to the selection of Bergoglio, and that it was on the anniversary of Pope Leo XIi's QUO GRAVIORA - condemnataion of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.
I'd laugh, but tears are more appropriate.