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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2025, 07:47:04 AM »
It here that they were conditionally ordained ...

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bishop-paul-morgan's-pastoral-visit-to-nigerias-traditional-catholics/msg963469/#msg963469

Presumably they received enough training where they are fluent enough in Latin to validly offer Mass.

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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2025, 07:51:54 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 24, 2025, 10:26:27 PM
If I offer a priest a stipend for Gregorian Masses ... if he ends up wasting it, giving it away, gambling, or buying booze, what does it really matter?  I'm not interested in what he does with the money, but in the Masses.

If a priest gambles away the money -- to use your own example -- exactly why would you trust that he offered the Masses?  How would you even verify that he did so?  Don't get me wrong; God sees your good intention and that counts for something. However, that is not the only consideration.

I know nothing about Bp. Morgan and really don't care one way or another, but perhaps those who know more can rest assured knowing that these priests passed his own litmus test.
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2025, 09:01:02 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 27, 2025, 07:15:38 AM
Plenus ... perhaps you could provide a brief overview.  I know that many here are concerned about the New Rite of Ordination, so assurances about their conditional ordination may help in terms of getting the word out about the Gregorian Masses.

Thanks Lad.

This is part of Matthew's post from Nov 19, 2022 (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/nigerian-vocations/):

From Fr. Ortiz --

I'm in contact with two Resistance priests working in Nigeria, Fathers Chigbata and Onuorah. I formed them giving them Theology classes and they were conditionally reordained by Bp. Tomas Aquinas in Brazil.

Their Apostolate is thriving despite many persecutions from the novus ordo authorities and from political unrest.

I've been instrumental not only in preparing them to be truly Traditional priests, but also I'm permanently in touch with them. I vouch for them.

For those unfamiliar with Fr Juan Carlos Ortiz, he is a native of Columbia who studied and was ordained at Econe in 1984 by Archbishop Lefebvre. He has been with the Resistance from the outset. He authored a very scholarly work "The New Hermeneutic of Bishop Fellay", and he also published a very thorough investigation exposing Ambrose Moran, warning Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko. He was with Fr Ringrose during the early years of the Resistance and has now returned to his native Colombia. You can see him with Bishop Zendejas among his faithful in Colombia in this recent post here: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/resistance-confirmations-colombia-28th-april-zendejasfr-ortiz/ Fr Ortiz was formerly a seminary professor at Holy Cross Seminary, Australia, during the tenures of Fr Peter Scott and Fr Vicente Griego as rectors.


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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2025, 02:52:15 PM »
Thank you, Plenus.  I sent Father a stipend for Gregorian Masses, and we corresponded a little -- and he authorized me to set up this fundraiser (link below).  When I was sharing Bishop Williamson's classes on Substack, I got over 200 subscribers there, so I'm going to send this out to everyone there in hopes of helping raise the funds they need ... in addition to posting this link here of course.

This organization requests an optional donation (that you can zero out of make really small, like $1).  There are only one or two totally free ones, but they all require that one has an officially-registered non-profit, which I do not have.  They also take 3.2% out for credit card transactions.  But after they get their take, every dime of this will be sent to Father Onuorah.

https://giveahand.com/fundraiser/st-michaels-catholic-church-construction

If you can't donate, then perhaps you could please help by sharing the link.
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2025, 09:53:28 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 28, 2025, 02:52:15 PM
Thank you, Plenus.  I sent Father a stipend for Gregorian Masses, and we corresponded a little -- and he authorized me to set up this fundraiser (link below).  When I was sharing Bishop Williamson's classes on Substack, I got over 200 subscribers there, so I'm going to send this out to everyone there in hopes of helping raise the funds they need ... in addition to posting this link here of course.

This organization requests an optional donation (that you can zero out of make really small, like $1).  There are only one or two totally free ones, but they all require that one has an officially-registered non-profit, which I do not have.  They also take 3.2% out for credit card transactions.  But after they get their take, every dime of this will be sent to Father Onuorah.

https://giveahand.com/fundraiser/st-michaels-catholic-church-construction

If you can't donate, then perhaps you could please help by sharing the link.
Ladislaus, you are a champion, God bless you! Please God this will reach a lot more people.
You've done a great job with the presentation. Where did you find those photos of Father's conditional ordination? 
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