.
Asking someone like that to be reasonable is like asking for
blood out of a turnip. Or maybe a beet -- it might be
blood red then, but it won't be
blood. It's all in the appearances! Not
what it is but what it
seems to be!
Now, what was this thread about agan? Oh, right:
Here is an article of Aug. 2, 2013 from Fr. Rostand's sspx / Angeluspress blog entitled: "Catholic or Compromised: What is the GREC?"
I can just about hear Fr. Rostand say this. One has to wonder, has
he ever had a conversation with anyone about GREC? If he had,
he may have learned that the name doesn't take the article. But
then, he's an ESL guy, so who knows?
Bottom line for them - they demand that there is NO intention or "...desire for compromise between tradition and novelty."
You can see where this re-branding is going, especially since there is so much attention on it.
SeanJohnson started a very good thread on Cathinfo pertaining to GREC and what it actually is.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=23157&min=0&num=3
Following will be a "revelation" for Fr. Rostand coming from the SSPX French District website (or is it a revelation for him?).
It's not a revelation to him, but that won't stop him from making
it SEEM like it's a revelation to him, if it suits his purposes. He'll
take a lesson from TGO, and play dumb, if it suits his agenda. He's
an expert on the topic, the moment it's good for his agenda that he
be an expert, but he's a
complete dummy when he's trying to
pretend the topic doesn't exist -- you know, like Johnnier here!
And he'll hide his face and snicker at the schmucks who he fools
into thinking that he doesn't know anything about it.
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Official SSPX communique from 2009 regarding GREC from the French District Website (rough translation to follow in next post):
Communiqué du Groupe de Réflexion Entre Catholiques (GREC)
Retour aux docuмents officiels du District de France
Retour au dossier sur les réactions
Retour au dossier complet "Retrait des excommunications de 1988"
Sauf avis contraire, les articles ou conférences qui n'émanent pas des
membres de la FSSPX ne peuvent être considérés comme reflétant
la position officielle de la Fraternité Saint-Pie X
Communiqué du Groupe de Réflexions Entre Catholiques (GREC)
Paris le 29 janvier 2009
Le Groupe de Réflexions Entre Catholiques (GREC) rend grâce pour la levée de l’excommunication des quatre évêques de la Fraternité Sacerdotale Saint-Pie-X, généreusement décidée par le Saint-Père et promulguée le 24 janvier 2009.
Il se réjouit de tout cœur pour la Fraternité Sacerdotale Saint-Pie-X. Mais il se réjouit surtout pour l’Église, laquelle a besoin plus que jamais, comme l’a dit le pape Benoît XVI à Lourdes, de tous ses enfants dans le champ de l’apostolat.
Cette mesure sert le renforcement de l’unité interne et plus encore de la charité.
Cette décision cause une joie d’autant plus grande au GREC que sa vocation, depuis l’origine, a précisément été de créer un espace de rencontres et de discussions entre catholiques, tout spécialement pour que soit reconnue aux prêtres et aux fidèles de l’œuvre de Mgr Lefebvre, leur place au sein l’Église.
Persuadé que le Saint-Père continuera à favoriser la tenue de colloques qui donneraient sa place à une « herméneutique de continuité » très fortement traditionnelle, le GREC veut poursuivre les efforts qu’il a inlassablement déployés en ce sens.
Il tient à assurer la Conférence épiscopale de France de son soutien pour que soit entendu par tous l’appel du Saint Père à la réconciliation.
Paris, le 29 janvier 2009
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Translation of GREC Communique Posted on French District Website
Prima Facie Evidence of an Alignment of Aims Between GREC and Menzingen
In other words, as you will read below, the SSPX now supports the "hermeneutics of continuity."
No wonder Bishop Tissier's book destroying that heretical theory was denied publication!
Paris January 29, 2009
The Group for Reflection Among Catholics gives thanks for the lifting of the excommunication of the four bishops of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, generously decided by the Holy Father and proclaimed January 24, 2009.
It rejoices with all its heart for the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X.
Wait a minute. Since when does a GROUP like GREC have a
HEART? This is rather odd. Is GREC being made out to be a
kind of corporation, or a 'legal person' with a
heart of sorts?
It rejoices with all its heart, does it? And does that heart contain
all the sentiments of the members like a cauldron of soup, or is
it rather the sentiments of someone who instructed GREC what it
was going to be expressing come time to yank someone's chain,
or should I say, "heartstrings?"
But rejoices especially for the Church, which needs more than ever, as stated by Pope Benedict XVI in Lourdes, for all her children in the field of the apostolate.
Translation problem:
The Church needs more than ever for all her
children in the field of the apostolate? ...And coming up:
This measure strengthens stronger charity? This decision causes joy in his vocation?This measure strengthens internal unity and stronger charity.
This decision causes an even greater joy in his vocation. GREC from the outset, was precisely created to be a space for meetings and discussions among Catholics, especially to secure recognition of the priests and faithful of the work of Archbishop Lefebvre, their place within the Church.
Recap: GREC was 'created' to be a space. That would be a space
with a heart, of course; a space to secure recognition of the work,
of the priests, of the faithful; a space with a heart to secure their
place within the Church.
Of course, we can't ignore the need for such a place unless the
place doesn't already exist. Therefore, first GREC was not, but
then 'he' was 'created' to 'create' something else that was not,
a kind of
ex quod, ex nihilo sort of thing.
Kind of reminds me of Bela Lugosi...
...or Boris Karloff.
Believing that the Holy Father will continue to promote the holding of seminars that would place a "hermeneutics of continuity" strongly traditional, the GREC will continue the efforts he has tirelessly made in this direction.[/b]
It seems to be the case that "the GREC" has a lot of work to
do, for he and his heart have to turn it up a notch, what with
the new Pope whose nonstop antics are all but TRASHING the
very trail that GREC was ostensibly attempting to blaze, in this
"strongly traditional hermeneutic of continuity." For with the
headlines of the past 5 months to work with, we've got to
dream up a whole new vocabulary to cover this pile of manure.
Maybe we should seek the help of Martin Luther, who was a
past master at covering dunghills, or perhaps just ask the help
of one of his current major fans: XSPXSGBF! (which see)
He assured the Episcopal Conference of France's support to be heard by all - the Holy Father's call to reconciliation.
Paris, January 29, 2009 [/i][/color]
Has the "Holy Father's call to reconciliation" fallen on deaf ears?
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Read on.... There are a lot of other "time bombs" in there also.
As with, an excerpt taken from an author's analysis of the GREC book:
"DICI editor Fr. Alain Lorans, one of the four founders of GREC, was the spokesman for the SSPX District of France. He immediately obtained permission from Bishop Fellay to participate in the dialogue “for a necessary reconciliation.” He was very attentive in keeping Bishop Fellay up-to-date with the progress of the dialogue."
B. Fellay was in on GREC from the get-go. Of course he was
eager for "updates." GREC was his BABY. We wouldn't be
calling him 'the eager beaver' for nothing. Just too bad he
was having to share custody with surrogate parents. But,
that's the world we live in! Alas!
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