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Offline songbird

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Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2022, 04:16:50 PM »
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  • Well, I continue to ponder, who gave $$ to make a freestanding altar for Our Lady of Sorrows?  Our Lady of Sorrows, does she not still have mortgage to pay? Hm? Did she close her doors during the covid time? Hm? How about an award$$ received, related to the covid?  Didn't Our Lady of Sorrows also say yes to a 5G Tower near in the area to help off set costs?  Or was that 5G tower on their property?

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #31 on: May 10, 2022, 04:17:34 PM »
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  • I wonder, wonder, IF any of those millions were from Rome?

    Hmmm… ?

    In watching the SSPX during the past 10 years, they are quietly planning for high growth, when they achieve prelature status, like Opus Dei.

    If you’ve noticed, Opus Dei is their rival and a power struggle is going on in Rome over SSPX control.

    While always claiming independence, the SSPX will be absorbed by Rome and function as a consiliar highChurch.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #32 on: May 10, 2022, 08:13:10 PM »
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    Hmm, I've never seen those.

    Will Christ still be on the Cross as He reigns as King over Heaven and earth?  That sounds like the resurrection crosses they have in the Novus Ordo.

    I knew the Cristo Rey crucifix existed WAY before the Novus Ordo, though I haven't immediately found a history of it.  The picture below is from St. Joseph's Church on Capital Hill in Seattle.  The parish was established in 1907 and the current church built in 1930, dedicated to Christ the King.  My parents were married there in 1950, I and my siblings were baptized there, my maternal grandparents and several other maternal relatives have been buried from this church.  I'm sorry I haven't found more of a close up (I hope to take a trip to Seattle in September and will try and take one) but behind the High Altar is a large mosaic of Christ the King flanked by St. Ignatius Loyola and St. Francis Xavier.  Below the image of Christ the King and above the tabernacle is a Cristo Rey crucifix.  At one time there was a large and very traditional crucifix that hung on the side wall on the epistle side.



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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #33 on: May 10, 2022, 08:16:25 PM »
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  • I don't think there's a liturgical rule, but switching things "just because" is petty and wrong, imo.  The liturgical norms of a country are important; not everything should be european style.

    That's actually an argument we had at the seminary with the French leadership.  Many of them had a disdain and contempt for the US and ignored US customs and imposed French ones instead.  This was not an appropriate attitude.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #34 on: May 10, 2022, 08:19:31 PM »
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  • While always claiming independence, the SSPX will be absorbed by Rome and function as a consiliar highChurch.

    No doubt.  When they are publishing Modernist treatises like Father Robinson's book, justifying the jab, claiming that 95% of V2 is perfectly good, etc. etc. etc. ... there's almost no substance left in them for opposing V2 and Modernism.  They're just a smells and bells organization at this point without a lick of difference between them and FSSP.  In fact, many FSSP priests were much more vocal in opposign the jab and attacking various Modernist trends than the SSPX has been.


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #35 on: May 10, 2022, 08:42:38 PM »
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  • I knew the Cristo Rey crucifix existed WAY before the Novus Ordo, though I haven't immediately found a history of it.  The picture below is from St. Joseph's Church on Capital Hill in Seattle.  The parish was established in 1907 and the current church built in 1930, dedicated to Christ the King.  My parents were married there in 1950, I and my siblings were baptized there, my maternal grandparents and several other maternal relatives have been buried from this church.  I'm sorry I haven't found more of a close up (I hope to take a trip to Seattle in September and will try and take one) but behind the High Altar is a large mosaic of Christ the King flanked by St. Ignatius Loyola and St. Francis Xavier.  Below the image of Christ the King and above the tabernacle is a Cristo Rey crucifix.  At one time there was a large and very traditional crucifix that hung on the side wall on the epistle side.




    Thank you.   That's interesting.

    At a time in history when it's important to make a clear distinction against modernism and especially the need to elicit contrition for one's sins by gazing upon the crucifix, contemplating Our Lord's sufferings and uniting our sufferings to His, that doesn't seem like a good choice for a new SSPX chapel.  :/

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #36 on: May 10, 2022, 09:38:30 PM »
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  • Dallas sspx bought land to build.
    Hope it doesn't turn into a horrible place like others shown in this thread.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #37 on: May 11, 2022, 12:11:11 AM »
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  • My take is that the new-sspx leadership is mostly from Europe and these new chapels give them the opportunity to a) mix-n-match european architecture styles as part of a pet-project of creativity, which is why a "budget" typically isn't followed, b) inflate their european egos, which typically looks down on all things american, c) control the people by introducing non-american but european liturgical "norms" (i.e. norms from the 1930s-50s, when europe was far, far more liberalized than america) and prepare them for the indult. 


    I've seen sspx chapels do the stations of the cross starting on the right hand (epistle) side and finishing on the left.  This must be european because i've always seen it start on the left/gospel side and finish on the right.  I don't think there's a liturgical rule, but switching things "just because" is petty and wrong, imo.  The liturgical norms of a country are important; not everything should be european style.

    I think it boils down to where the priest comes from. American SSPX priests based in other countries are also known to introduce certain customs peculiar to the States.


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #38 on: May 11, 2022, 12:21:59 AM »
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  • Menzingen will spend $70 million for a trophy seminary near DC or $40 million for a monument Church in St. Mary’s podunk…

    But rent a respectable mission chapel site in Japan to catechize a country of lost souls?  Never!
    Unfortunately Japan does not have as many Catholics to minister to, while the US district has many more faithful and I might add, better-off financially overall. I think it makes sense to start prudently.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #39 on: May 11, 2022, 12:26:03 AM »
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  • You will know them by their altars. :laugh1:

    But seriously, it makes one wonder where the apparent windfall of money to build these new chapels is coming from.  In Virginia alone, there is the seminary (with more construction to be done on the main chapel) and the D.C. and Front Royal missions have plans for new construction.  The D.C. mission had acquired a former protestant church and significant renovations have been completed but apparently, "they" want to build a new chapel from scratch on the property as well.

    In a presentation on the seminary that Fr. Haynos gave to our chapel, he cited an "internal loan from Menzingen" as the source of funding for the seminary projects.  Alas, it must be from those mysterious "generous benefactors". 

    If one uses common sense and reasoning, it is more likely some form of payback for being obedient to the Bergoglian regime:  no condemnation of the NWO Plandemic, capitulation to the novus ordo covid restrictions, neutrality on the clot shot, falling all over themselves about Francis' stunt consecration, etc., etc.  Either that, or the hierarchy has been infiltrated and they truly think all those decisions were good ones.

    Don Pagliarani did mention that the SSPX chapels grew tremendously during the last 2 years as many Novus Ordo and Indult folks sought refuge when the diocesan churches were closed, even at locations where the governments did not force them to do so.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #40 on: May 11, 2022, 12:39:43 AM »
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  • Well, …

    So… the snake is still slithering. False accusations are also so evil!

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    Yes, after the baby is delivered the PLACENTA (NOT BABY) used to be discarded. For about the last decade it has become common to save the cord blood, membranes, Wharton's Jelly, PLACENTAL (NOT BABY) stem cells, and exosomes. Sometimes the parents cryo (ultra low temperature freeze) the tissues for the baby's use later in life. Sometimes carefully screened (medically and socially) mothers from repeat C-sections donate some or all of the tissue.

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    I disagree, and gave to Mark79 links with articles saying that different stages of of a baby, such as 3 months in womb were best for harvesting and he still said it was ok!





    That is a complete fabrication. I did not, do not, and never will say it is "OK" to harvest tissue from a BABY in utero, 3-months gestation or otherwise.

    I only support ("say OK") harvesting PLACENTAL (NOT BABY) tissue after the baby is born from appropriate and willing donors.

    As soon as you were advised of your false accusation almost 3 weeks ago, you should have retracted your accusation and apologized.

    You are welcome to have a hip replacement. You are welcome to eschew a PLACENTAL (NOT BABY) injection as many do to avoid hip replacement surgery.  You are NOT welcome to falsely accuse me of approving the harvesting of BABY parts whether in utero or post-partum.

    "Not liking" what you read (and misunderstand) is NOT a legitimate excuse to make a false accusation.


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #41 on: May 11, 2022, 07:24:52 AM »
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  • Unfortunately Japan does not have as many Catholics to minister to, while the US district has many more faithful and I might add, better-off financially overall. I think it makes sense to start prudently.
    $70/$40 million is prudent??

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #42 on: May 11, 2022, 08:05:44 AM »
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    Don Pagliarani did mention that the SSPX chapels grew tremendously during the last 2 years as many Novus Ordo and Indult folks sought refuge when the diocesan churches were closed, even at locations where the governments did not force them to do so.
    That does not explain the tens of millions of dollars being pumped into these new mega churches, some of which had been under construction or planned before the "pandemic".   You just can't raise that amount of money in a couple of years, even if you double the amount of faithful attending a chapel. 


    The narrative that the sspx chapels were different during the lockdowns as promoted on their website, as somehow remaining open, was a stretch.  We had no Mass, including during Easter, they removed the holy water, restricted the amount of people, roped off pews, posted signs saying masks were required, etc.  How is that different from the local NO church?  I think there was a coordinated advertising campaign to make it seem different, when in fact, they followed the restrictions to a tee, just as Fr. Wegner said they would.  The sspx response to the lockdowns was as unCatholic as the novus ordo sect.  Remember the mocking of anyone who dared question the seriousness and truthfulness of the deadly pandemic or anyone who may have seen that it was a NWO takeover on the podcast with Fr. Paul Robinson?  When I saw that, I knew that the sspx was not only going to fold like a cheap suit but was actively engaged in the whole charade. 



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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #43 on: May 11, 2022, 10:23:21 AM »
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    I think it boils down to where the priest comes from. American SSPX priests based in other countries are also known to introduce certain customs peculiar to the States.
    This is ridiculous as well.  As they say, when in rome...

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #44 on: May 11, 2022, 10:24:32 AM »
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    The narrative that the sspx chapels were different during the lockdowns as promoted on their website, as somehow remaining open, was a stretch.  We had no Mass, including during Easter, they removed the holy water, restricted the amount of people, roped off pews, posted signs saying masks were required, etc.
    Some chapels were not this extreme.  Probably depended on how much each priest believed covid.  And also depended on how liberal the state was.