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Offline CathSarto

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Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2022, 01:28:47 PM »
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  • You will know them by their altars. :laugh1:

    But seriously, it makes one wonder where the apparent windfall of money to build these new chapels is coming from.  In Virginia alone, there is the seminary (with more construction to be done on the main chapel) and the D.C. and Front Royal missions have plans for new construction.  The D.C. mission had acquired a former protestant church and significant renovations have been completed but apparently, "they" want to build a new chapel from scratch on the property as well. 

    In a presentation on the seminary that Fr. Haynos gave to our chapel, he cited an "internal loan from Menzingen" as the source of funding for the seminary projects.  Alas, it must be from those mysterious "generous benefactors".  

    If one uses common sense and reasoning, it is more likely some form of payback for being obedient to the Bergoglian regime:  no condemnation of the NWO Plandemic, capitulation to the novus ordo covid restrictions, neutrality on the clot shot, falling all over themselves about Francis' stunt consecration, etc., etc.  Either that, or the hierarchy has been infiltrated and they truly think all those decisions were good ones. 


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #16 on: May 10, 2022, 01:38:13 PM »
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  • I think he's pointing out the freestanding altar phenomenon.
    That doesn't seem like the typical Novus Ordo freestanding altar. I can make out the tabernacle and altar gradine. I've seen churches built long before V2 having such altars and the ability to walk behind the altar, which will usually lead to the sacristy. In this picture the sanctuary looks like it has a semicircle shape, thus having space behind the altar, therefore I don't see anything wrong with it.


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #17 on: May 10, 2022, 01:39:59 PM »
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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #18 on: May 10, 2022, 01:59:04 PM »
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    What is their explanation for that "crucifix"?

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #19 on: May 10, 2022, 01:59:56 PM »
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  • This is not an SSPX church. I believe this is the Manila Cathedral.
    You are correct.  Thank you for the correction.
    I failed to read the article fully before posting.
    The sspx priests made a holy hour or reparation here:
    https://fsspx.asia/en/news-events/news/sspx-priests%E2%80%99-annual-meeting-february


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #20 on: May 10, 2022, 02:06:21 PM »
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  • While the Tokyo priory has nothing:



    Menzingen will spend $70 million for a trophy seminary near DC or $40 million for a monument Church in St. Mary’s podunk…

    But rent a respectable mission chapel site in Japan to catechize a country of lost souls?  Never!

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #21 on: May 10, 2022, 02:08:35 PM »
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    What is their explanation for that "crucifix"?
    From the facebook page:


    "On Good Friday, during the Adoration of the Holy Cross, we unveiled and installed our crucifix over the high altar. The custom crucifix is modeled after the earliest crucifixes which depicted our Lord as King reigning over Heaven and earth. His face was created from a 3D printing of the Shroud of Turin."


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #22 on: May 10, 2022, 02:25:41 PM »
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  • Why have they done away with the Altar Throne?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #23 on: May 10, 2022, 02:49:53 PM »
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  • From the facebook page:


    "On Good Friday, during the Adoration of the Holy Cross, we unveiled and installed our crucifix over the high altar. The custom crucifix is modeled after the earliest crucifixes which depicted our Lord as King reigning over Heaven and earth. His face was created from a 3D printing of the Shroud of Turin."

    Hmm, I've never seen those.

    Will Christ still be on the Cross as He reigns as King over Heaven and earth?  That sounds like the resurrection crosses they have in the Novus Ordo.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #24 on: May 10, 2022, 03:45:02 PM »
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  • Menzingen will spend $70 million for a trophy seminary near DC or $40 million for a monument Church in St. Mary’s podunk…

    But rent a respectable mission chapel site in Japan to catechize a country of lost souls?  Never!
    My thoughts, exactly.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #25 on: May 10, 2022, 03:47:53 PM »
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  • That doesn't seem like the typical Novus Ordo freestanding altar. I can make out the tabernacle and altar gradine. I've seen churches built long before V2 having such altars and the ability to walk behind the altar, which will usually lead to the sacristy. In this picture the sanctuary looks like it has a semicircle shape, thus having space behind the altar, therefore I don't see anything wrong with it.

    We all agree that there's precedent for this style of altar before Vatican II.  But it's curious that most of the newly-built SSPX chapels follow that same format, given the fact that the Novus Ordo Luther Table has given that layout of the sanctuary a bad name.


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #26 on: May 10, 2022, 03:48:43 PM »
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  • Hmm, I've never seen those.

    Will Christ still be on the Cross as He reigns as King over Heaven and earth?  That sounds like the resurrection crosses they have in the Novus Ordo.

    Yes, it does seem like a Resurrexifix.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #27 on: May 10, 2022, 03:52:16 PM »
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  • Menzingen will spend $70 million for a trophy seminary near DC or $40 million for a monument Church in St. Mary’s podunk…

    But rent a respectable mission chapel site in Japan to catechize a country of lost souls?  Never!

    Right, between those two building monstrosities, that's 110 million-dollar chapels they could build or 220 half-million-dollar chapels.

    As I've pointed out numerous times, the seminary in Winona, MN was perfectly adequate and, if it became a little cramped (which only happened due to their opening a minor seminary type of program), then a million dollars could have built a beautiful new wing onto the building.  There were many, many acres there and it was beautiful country ... even if it was a tad cold sometimes in the Winter, and the Summers could be brutal with high humidity, since the complex wasn't air conditioned.  But I bet A/C could also be added for a million dollars.  For a total savings of $68 million.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #28 on: May 10, 2022, 04:01:57 PM »
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  • I wonder, wonder, IF any of those millions were from Rome?

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #29 on: May 10, 2022, 04:07:57 PM »
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    But it's curious that most of the newly-built SSPX chapels follow that same format, given the fact that the Novus Ordo Luther Table has given that layout of the sanctuary a bad name.
    My take is that the new-sspx leadership is mostly from Europe and these new chapels give them the opportunity to a) mix-n-match european architecture styles as part of a pet-project of creativity, which is why a "budget" typically isn't followed, b) inflate their european egos, which typically looks down on all things american, c) control the people by introducing non-american but european liturgical "norms" (i.e. norms from the 1930s-50s, when europe was far, far more liberalized than america) and prepare them for the indult. 


    I've seen sspx chapels do the stations of the cross starting on the right hand (epistle) side and finishing on the left.  This must be european because i've always seen it start on the left/gospel side and finish on the right.  I don't think there's a liturgical rule, but switching things "just because" is petty and wrong, imo.  The liturgical norms of a country are important; not everything should be european style.