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Offline bodeens

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GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
« on: May 09, 2022, 09:57:14 PM »
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  • So far I know of:

    The Immaculata
    St. Peregrine

    Have freestanding "altars" (an antiquarian backdoor for tables in the Modernist trickbook).
    Who is behind this push and when did this start? Interesting that both of these instances are after Pagliarani took the reins from +Fellay as Superior General. Are other megachapels remodeling in this mold that anyone knows of?
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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2022, 10:17:04 PM »
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  • So far I know of:

    The Immaculata
    St. Peregrine

    Have freestanding "altars" (an antiquarian backdoor for tables in the Modernist trickbook).
    Who is behind this push and when did this start? Interesting that both of these instances are after Pagliarani took the reins from +Fellay as Superior General. Are other megachapels remodeling in this mold that anyone knows of?
    Our Lady of Sorrows in Phoenix, Arizona has a freestanding altar but it looks better than the ones previously mentioned
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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2022, 10:38:43 PM »
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  • Econe:

    http://beingcreativesuzette.blogspot.com/2012/07/new-altar-in-econe.html?m=1

    New Altar in Ecône [2012]

    “It is a replica of an altar in a basilica in Assisi. All the pillars are different.  It would be interesting to see if there is a meaning behind that or if it is just artistic expression. “

    For those who are unaware, Assisi held one of the leading subversive monasteries which sponsored pre-conciliar covert liturgical congresses where modernist liturgists could discreetly gather to experiment and network, with the goal of forming a modern, ecuмenical liturgy. 

    It is for this reason JPII held his ecuмenical meetings there, beginning in 1986.  Only those “in the know” understood the significance.

    Shortly after JPII’s last ecuмenical gathering there, an earthquake badly damaged it, killing some of the Franciscans.  -SJ

    https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/27/world/a-fatal-quake-shatters-fresco-in-assisi-shrine.html
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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #3 on: May 09, 2022, 10:46:13 PM »
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  • Econe:

    http://beingcreativesuzette.blogspot.com/2012/07/new-altar-in-econe.html?m=1

    New Altar in Ecône [2012]

    “It is a replica of an altar in a basilica in Assisi. All the pillars are different.  It would be interesting to see if there is a meaning behind that or if it is just artistic expression. “
    So NO!

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #4 on: May 09, 2022, 10:47:03 PM »
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  • Our Lady of Sorrows in Phoenix, Arizona has a freestanding altar but it looks better than the ones previously mentioned
    What an ugly chapel.


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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #5 on: May 09, 2022, 10:58:31 PM »
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  • So far I know of:

    The Immaculata
    St. Peregrine

    Have freestanding "altars" (an antiquarian backdoor for tables in the Modernist trickbook).
    Who is behind this push and when did this start? Interesting that both of these instances are after Pagliarani took the reins from +Fellay as Superior General. Are other megachapels remodeling in this mold that anyone knows of?
    Didn't St. Peregrine just -- as in two days ago -- have it's altar consecrated? It's possible that they've yet to add more elements because it looks unfinished.

    Now the rendering of the Immaculata has that altar, but I want to wait until I see the finished product. Things could (probably?) change in the year (?) or so before it's done.
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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #6 on: May 10, 2022, 06:06:47 AM »
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  • Were it not for the Novus Ordo adoption of Luther Tables, we probably wouldn't object so much to the freestanding altar style.  Nevertheless, given the current climate, they absolutely should be rejected for new church buildings precisely because of the Modernist connotation that has been attached to them.

    I don't understand why they're spending so much money building these not-particularly-impressive churches.  You can go around the streets of Chicago or even Cleveland and find a much nicer looking church on every other street corner.

    This extremely expensive building frezy speaks to the SSPX reconciling itself to the current state of the Church as a "new normal" ... and more and more "normal" in general ... rather than being a temporary crisis.  Most Traditional Catholics were content with small, modest churches, and even hotel rooms ... in order to get the True Mass and Sacraments ... and always held out the hope that the properties stolen by the Novus Ordo, many of which cannot be reproduced today for any price, since we don't have the skilled artisans capable of it anymore, will eventually be returned to Tradition and to Catholic use.

    For what they spent on that disaster of a seminary, they could have constructed million-dollar churches in every one of the 50 states, or 2 half-million dollar chapels ... when Winona, a pre V-2 seminary with lots of land, was absolutely adequate and perfect for seminary training (although I don't like the look of their main chapel ... it could use a remodel), and if room was a problem, they could easily have added another building or another wing to the existing building for the minor seminarians they decided to host there now ... for about a million dollars or so.

    They've also robbed a lot of local chapels to help finance this monstrosity.

    What they're doing is sinful.  Meanwhile, they're letting Modernism run rampant throughout these facilities.  They're JUST LIKE the pre-V2 Catholic Church, where there was a building frenzy and expansion of numbers, while it was all rotting inside, thoroughly infected with Modernism.  This is a total repeat taking place in slow motion before our eyes with the SSPX.  So that tells you the same people are behind both trends and that SSPX has been infiltrated.  Those priests who fought the good fight at the time of Vatican II are beginning to pass away now, and we have a generation of cradle Trads who are being sucked into Modernism all over again.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #7 on: May 10, 2022, 11:46:35 AM »
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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #8 on: May 10, 2022, 12:06:10 PM »
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  • Guadalajara, mexico, sspx priory:





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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #9 on: May 10, 2022, 12:17:48 PM »
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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #10 on: May 10, 2022, 12:21:04 PM »
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  • While the Tokyo priory has nothing:



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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #11 on: May 10, 2022, 12:57:52 PM »
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    This is not an SSPX church. I believe this is the Manila Cathedral.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #12 on: May 10, 2022, 01:00:46 PM »
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  • Guadalajara, mexico, sspx priory:


    What is wrong with this church? It looks not bad, though the walls can be made more beautiful.

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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #13 on: May 10, 2022, 01:12:05 PM »
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  • While the Tokyo priory has nothing:



    The Tokyo priory seems to be rather new, opened in January 2021 when this picture was taken (from this link: https://fsspx.asia/en/news-events/news/new-priory-tokyo-63025). I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that more beautiful items will be added as time goes by.

    Osaka chapel



    Singapore priory



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    Re: GIRM Compatible SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #14 on: May 10, 2022, 01:27:41 PM »
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  • What is wrong with this church? It looks not bad, though the walls can be made more beautiful.

    I think he's pointing out the freestanding altar phenomenon.