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Offline Neil Obstat

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« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2013, 05:25:26 PM »
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    I would like to be the first to thank Fr. Rostand for his excellent use
    of the English language, which is not his native tongue.  This letter
    goes a long way to showing what a foreigner can do if he puts his
    mind to it, and the clarity of his thinking that can be communicated
    by proper English to an English-speaking audience.  

    We do not have to wonder what he means, and that's a big help.  

    That's what I have in favor of his letter, but I wanted to make it
    known from the start, lest anyone accuse me otherwise.


    . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  :furtive: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .




    (I can almost imagine them saying in their dinnertime conversation in
    French - German - Italian and perhaps even Latin:  "It took them
    until page 16, and at least as many days, to post anything showing
    any appreciation for your efforts, Fr. Rosty.")



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    « Reply #76 on: June 18, 2013, 05:35:45 PM »
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    Now see here: anyone who wants to detract from my thanks to
    Fr. R., above, by saying that it wasn't him but the starving college
    English major whom he hired that made this letter what it is, all I
    can say is, "At least he hired a starving student, when B. Fellay
    insists on going it alone."  

    Maybe B. Fellay can take a lesson from his inferior --

    but then again, probably not. ---------------  :jester:




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    « Reply #77 on: June 18, 2013, 08:46:38 PM »
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    Those on the Regina Coeli mailing list will receive it.


    I have yet to receive it.  But then, I might be off the mailing list.  I did, however, get a free copy of the new "Angelus" magazine after making a purchase in the chapel bookstore.  That's never happened before.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    « Reply #78 on: June 18, 2013, 08:49:04 PM »
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    Those on the Regina Coeli mailing list will receive it.


    I have yet to receive it.  But then, I might be off the mailing list.  I did, however, get a free copy of the new "Angelus Press" magazine after making a purchase in the chapel bookstore.  That's never happened before.


    They've got to come up with some way to get rid of them!!!

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    « Reply #79 on: June 18, 2013, 08:58:48 PM »
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    Those on the Regina Coeli mailing list will receive it.


    I have yet to receive it.  But then, I might be off the mailing list.  I did, however, get a free copy of the new "Angelus Press" magazine after making a purchase in the chapel bookstore.  That's never happened before.


    They've got to come up with some way to get rid of them!!!


    They're thicker, glossier and in color!  Shall I give you a run down of the sections and articles???  
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42


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    « Reply #80 on: June 19, 2013, 09:20:50 AM »
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  • Does anyone have a copy of Fr. Rostrand's letter or any other letter in the packet,  they could post.  I really do not want to pick up a packet.  They probably keep track of who gets one.

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    « Reply #81 on: June 19, 2013, 09:30:59 AM »
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    The Cover Letter by Fr. Rostand to the US District:



    Rev. Fr. Arnaud Rostand  District Superior




    SSPX
    May 22nd, 2013



    Dear Faithful,

    We are happy to be sending you this package.  In it, you will find a
    special issue of the Regina Coeli Report, the latest Letter to Friends
    and Benefactors of Bishop Fellay, and the recording of an important
    conference given by Fr. David Themann in St. Marys on April 16, 2013.

    This special edition will present our evaluation of the so-called
    resistance, which has been sowing discord in our apostolate during
    the last several months.

    I call your attention in particular to the very useful timeline showing
    the development of relations between Rome and the Society of Saint
    Pius X.  We are confident that the conference and its summary will
    both encourage you to remain strong in the faith of which the SSPX
    has always been the defender, and dissipate the rumors and errors
    whose effect, if not intent, is to scatter the flock.

    In the Immaculate Heart of Mary,


     :king:


    Father Arnaud Rostand.  




    (USA district etc. at bottom right of letterhead format)







    I call your attention to the last paragraph where Fr. Rostand says that he
    calls your attention in particular to the very useful timeline, that is, useful
    for us to take detailed notes of its half-truths and filtered facts that ignore
    everything that might be inconvenient for the agenda of aggiornamento
    with apostate Rome.  

    The paragraph ends saying that "We are confident that the conference
    and its summary will... dissipate the rumors and errors whose effect, if
    not intent, is to scatter the flock."  

    Where had I heard this before, I asked myself.  Before too long, it came to
    me, let's say.  It is found in the paragraph that a subsequent pope had
    removed from the long version of the Leonine Prayer of Exorcism from
    A.D. 1890.  Since in Latin it's a paragraph that is broken into two
    paragraphs in the English translation, I'll provide both English paragraphs,
    which go like this:  


    On men depraved in mind and corrupt in heart the wicked dragon pours out like a most foul river, the poison of his villainy, a spirit of lying, impiety and blasphemy, and the deadly breath of lust and of all iniquities and vices.

    His most crafty enemies [of the Church] have engulfed the Church, the Spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, with sorrows; they have drenched her with wormwood; on all her desirable things they have laid their wicked hands. Where the See of the Blessed Peter and the Chair of Truth have been set up for the light of the Gentiles, there they have placed the throne of the abomination of their wickedness, so that, the Pastor having been struck, they may also be able to scatter the flock.





    If you have any doubts whether this is accurate, you're welcome to
    consider the Latin original:


    Vírus nequítiae suae, támquam flúmen immundíssimum, dráco maléficus transfúndit in hómines depravátos ménte et corrúptos córde; spíritum mendácii, impietátis et blasphémiae; halitúmque mortíferum luxúriae, vitiórum ómnium et iniquitátum. Ecclésiam, Ágni immaculáti spónsam, vaférrimi hóstes replevérunt amaritudínibus, inebriárunt absínthio; ad ómnia desiderabília éjus ímpias misérunt mánus. Úbi sédes beatíssimi Pétri et Cáthedra veritátis ad lúcem géntium constitúta est, ibi thrónum posuérunt abominatiónis et impietátis suae; ut percússo Pastóre, et grégem dispérdere váleant.





    So, Fr. Rostand is co-opting a theme from Scripture and from the venerable
    Pope Leo XIII, which foretells of the throne of Peter being the target of the
    devil such that the pastor might be struck and the flock therefore scattered,
    and he is implying that the Resistance is now attempting to do this very thing,
    by its "rumors and errors, whose effect, if not intent, is to scatter the flock."  

    And by so doing, Fr. Rostand, in typical liberal style, uses words he
    attempts to direct against his opponents that much more accurately
    describe himself and his liberal associates than they do anyone else
    in view.


    I have to wonder if he stays up late at night smoking something to be
    able to come up with stuff like this?   :smoke-pot:






    For those who may be interested, here is the link to the source and the
    full text of the (long form) Leonine Exorcism prayer (at the end I have
    also included the short form that we now use for Prayers after Low Mass):

    Source

    In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, Amen.


    Psalm lxvii

    Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered: and let them that hate Him flee from before His Face!

    As smoke vanisheth, so let them vanish away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.


    Psalm xxxiv

    Judge Thou, O Lord, them that wrong me: overthrow them that fight against me.

    Let them be confounded and ashamed that seek after my soul. Let them be turned back and be confounded that devise evil against me.

    Let them become as dust before the wind: and let the Angel of the Lord straighten them.

    Let their way become dark and slippery: and let the Angel of the Lord pursue them.

    For without cause they have hidden their net for me unto destruction: without cause they have upbraided my soul.

    Let the snare which he knoweth not, come upon him: and let the net which he hath hidden, catch him: and into that very snare let him fall.

    But my soul shall rejoice in the Lord, and shall be delighted in His salvation .

    Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end, Amen.


    Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel

    O most glorious Prince of the Heavenly Armies, St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in our wrestling against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places (Eph. vi. 12). Come to the aid of men, whom God created incorruptible, and to the image of His own Likeness He made them, and from the tyranny of the devil He bought them at a great price (Wis ii. 23, I Cor vii. 23).

    Fight the battles of the Lord today with the Army of the Blessed Angels, as once thou didst fight against Lucifer, the first in pride, and his apostate angels; and they prevailed not: neither was their place found anymore in Heaven. But that great dragon was cast out, the old serpent, who is called the devil and satan, who seduces the whole world. And he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him (Apoc. xii. 8-9).

    Behold, the ancient enemy and murderer strongly raises his head! Transformed into an angel of light, with the entire horde of wicked spirits he goes about everywhere and takes possession of the earth, so that therein he may blot out the Name of God and of His Christ and steal away, afflict and ruin unto everlasting destruction the souls destined for a crown of eternal glory.

    On men depraved in mind and corrupt in heart the wicked dragon pours out like a most foul river, the poison of his villainy, a spirit of lying, impiety and blasphemy, and the deadly breath of lust and of all iniquities and vices.

    His most crafty enemies have engulfed the Church, the Spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, with sorrows; they have drenched her with wormwood; on all her desirable things they have laid their wicked hands. Where the See of the Blessed Peter and the Chair of Truth have been set up for the light of the Gentiles, there they have placed the throne of the abomination of their wickedness, so that, the Pastor having been struck, they may also be able to scatter the flock.

    Therefore, O thou unconquerable Leader, be present with the people of God and against the spiritual wickedness which are bursting in upon them; and bring them the victory. The Holy Church venerates thee as its guardian and patron; and it glories in the fact that thou art its defender against the wicked powers of earth and hell. To thee the Lord has assigned the souls of the redeemed to be placed in Heavenly bliss. Beseech the God of Peace to crush Satan under our feet, that he may no more be able to hold men captive and to harm the Church. Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High, so that the mercies of the Lord may quickly come to our aid, that thou mayest seize the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and satan and that having bound him, thou mayest cast him into the bottomless pit, so that he may no more seduce the nations (Apoc. xx. 3).


    Hence confiding in thy protection and guardianship,..

    (for priests: by the sacred authority of our ministry,)
    (For laymen: by the sacred authority of Holy Mother Church),

    ..we confidently and securely begin the task in the name of Jesus Christ our God and Lord, of driving away the attacks of diabolical deceit.

    V. Behold the Cross of the Lord, flee away ye hostile forces.
    R. The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David hath conquered
    V. May Thy mercy, O Lord, be upon us,
    R. Because we have hoped in Thee.
    V. O Lord, hear my prayer,
    R. And let my cry come unto Thee.
    (for priests: V. The Lord be with you, R. And with thy spirit.


    Let us pray:

    O God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ, we invoke Thy holy name, and we humbly implore Thy mercy, that by the intercession of the Mother of God Mary Immaculate ever Virgin, of Blessed Michael the Archangel, of Blessed Joseph the Spouse of the same Blessed Virgin, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul and of all the Saints, Thou wouldst deign to afford us help against Satan and all the other unclean spirits and against whatever wanders throughout the world to do harm to the human race and to ruin souls, through the same Christ Our Lord,
    R. Amen.



    Exorcism

    We cast you out, every unclean spirit, every satanic power, every onslaught of the infernal adversary, every legion, every diabolical group and sect, in the name and by the power of our Lord Jesus + Christ. We command you, begone and fly far from the Church of God, from the souls made by God in His Image and redeemed by the Precious Blood of the Divine Lamb. + No longer dare, cunning serpent, to deceive the human race, to persecute God's Church, to strike God's elect and to sift them as wheat. + For the Most High God commands you, + He to Whom you once proudly presumed yourself equal; He Who wills all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of Truth commands you. (I Tim ii. 4)

    God the Father + commands you. The Son of God + commands you. God the Holy + Ghost commands you. Christ, the Eternal Word of God made flesh, commands + you, Who humbled Himself, becoming obedient even unto death (Phil. ii. 8), to save our race from the perdition wrought by your envy; Who founded His Church upon a firm Rock, declaring that the gates of hell should never prevail against her, and that He would remain with her all days, even to the end of the world. (Mt. xxviii. 20) The sacred mystery of the Cross commands you, along with the power of all mysteries of Christian Faith. + The exalted Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus, + commands you, who in her lowliness crushed your proud head from the first moment of her Immaculate Conception. The Faith of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul and the other Apostles + commands you. The blood of martyrs and the devout prayers of all holy men and women command + you.

    Thus, cursed dragon, and you, diabolical legions, we adjure you by the living God, + by the true God, + by the holy God, + by the God who so loved the world that He gave up His only Son, that every soul believing in Him might not perish but have life everlasting;" (Jn iii. 16) cease deceiving human creatures and pouring out to them the poison of eternal damnation; cease harming the Church and hindering her liberty.

    Begone, Satan, inventor and master of all deceit, enemy of man's salvation. Give place to Christ in Whom you have found none of your works; give place to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church acquired by Christ at the price of His Blood. Stoop beneath the all-powerful Hand of God; tremble and flee when we invoke the Holy and terrible Name of Jesus, this Name which causes hell to tremble, this Name to which the Virtues, Powers and Dominations of heaven are humbly submissive, this Name which the Cherubim and Seraphim praise unceasingly repeating: Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord, the God of Hosts.

    V. O Lord, hear my prayer.
    R. And let my cry come unto Thee.
    (For Priests: V. May the Lord be with thee.
    R. And with thy spirit.)

    Let us pray.

    God of heaven, God of earth, God of Angels, God of Archangels, God of Patriarchs, God of Prophets, God of Apostles, God of Martyrs, God of Confessors, God of Virgins, God Who has power to give life after death and rest after work: because there is no other God than Thee and there can be no other, for Thou art the Creator of all things, visible and invisible, of Whose reign there shall be no end, we humbly prostrate ourselves before Thy glorious Majesty and we beseech Thee to deliver us by Thy power from all the tyranny of the infernal spirits, from their snares, their lies and their furious wickedness.
    Deign, O Lord, to grant us Thy powerful protection and to keep us safe and sound. We beseech Thee through Jesus Christ Our Lord. Amen.

    V. From the snares of the devil,
    R. Deliver us, O Lord.
    V. That Thy Church may serve Thee in peace and liberty:
    R. We beseech Thee to hear us.
    V. That Thou may crush down all enemies of Thy Church:
    R. We beseech Thee to hear us.


    Holy water is sprinkled in the place






    Exorcismus Breve - Short Exorcism



    Sáncte Míchael Archángele, defénde nos in proélio, cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium. Ímperet ílli Déus, súpplices deprecámur: tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis, Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos, qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo, divína virtúte, in inférnum detrúde. Ámen    


    Saint Michael, Archangel, defend us in battle;  be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God command him, we humbly pray;  and do thou, O prince of the heavenly host by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the other evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.


    Alternatively,

    Holy Michael archangel, defend us in the day of battle;  be our safeguard against  the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God thrust down to hell Satan and all wicked spirits, who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.


    Alternatively,

    Saint Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle;  be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.  May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;  and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the other evil spirits who roam through the world seeking the ruin of souls.  Amen.


    Alternatively,

    Saint Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the malice and snares of the devil.  We humbly beseech God to command him, and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the divine power thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits who roam through the world seeking the ruin of souls.  Amen.


    Alternatively,

    Any of the other variations in use.  It is noteworthy that this one
    prayer has so many versions in English, such that at any gathering
    of Catholics who do not normally meet for this, when this prayer is
    recited as a group, it sounds a bit like the Tower of Babble.

    And, as with so many of our current problems, the answer to this
    one is to revert back to the Latin original, and then everyone can
    say the same words.  However, even that is not the answer when
    the priest leading the prayers rushes on ahead, oblivious to the
    slower pace of the congregation full of people who do not daily
    recite Latin prayers, and therefore the sound of Babble returns due
    to the fact that everyone is saying the same words at a different
    speed, which causes some people to drop some words so as to
    catch up, and then they get confused or perhaps stop their
    prayer altogether.

    Which reminds me, shouldn't we be saying the exorcism prayer
    BEFORE we have Mass, instead of AFTER Low Mass?  I mean, what
    sense would there be in doing the exorcism prayers for a baby's
    Baptism, but saying them AFTER the Baptism is done?  Or, when
    we say grace before meals, it is to remove the food from the
    dominion of the devil -- why would we say that prayer AFTER we
    have eaten already?




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